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Posted: 10 years ago
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I still wanna know how Deepika found that tweet . Did she do a search of her Twitter timeline and the word cleavage 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: LadyDabangg

So you made this topic cause some called indian men horny??😕

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Them calling doesn't make it truth.

Bad people exist all around the world. These are just members,ignore them.



@bold- Arey nahin, didn't make it for that.😆
I just felt like making this topic after following the whole Rohtak case closely.

Originally posted by: blue-ice

I don't know about feminism or psuedo feminism...My stand is always on the ISSUE and never on GENDER....but when we talk about such big issues like rape or mistreating women...sometimes people tend to use phrases like ALL MEN...but it doesn't literally mean ALL MEN...it is just a way to show how big and wide spread a problem is...



@black- And that's how it should be right? But is the same happening around us? I can't talk about the whole country but I stay in a place that is perceived to be super modern,advanced,open minded blah blah but still whenever I have seen any discussion about feminism, it has always been about putting down the opposite gender and stereotyping them...especially in social media.

@blue-That's the thing...when it doesn't mean all men...why say all men? I'm sure there are better ways to show how big the problem is right?

Originally posted by: Bazigar

Rather than giving any term i think these are example of media trial, mob trail and social media trial etc. Yes may be those girls are con on the same time these reaction we get because issue like eve teasing etc. is a reality.
Agree these generalisation is harming the objective rather than helping it. It should be against rapist / eve teaser etc. but simultaneously when some one raise these issues like eve teasing etc. they have some truth fact and substance in it. We cant discard them by just branding with some feminist , pseudo feminist etc. just like this rohtak incident is fake simultaneously there are thousand incidents which might be true.



Yup,you are right.There are thousand incidents which are true and also don't even get reported.The only point of my topic was what you exactly said in bold.I'm not saying that the situation of men is worse than women in India..definitely not...it's just the way the youth today understands what feminism is , is what bothers me.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: KochurShaakBata



@bold- Arey nahin, didn't make it for that.😆
I just felt like making this topic after following the whole Rohtak case closely.



Okay😆 So what's your take on DP's incident?😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Feminism or pseudo feminism is not the problem. Mob justice, social media frenzy and bandwagon phenomenon are the real problems here.

I roll my eyes at the shares on Facebook or forwards on Whatsapp. People are sharing bullshit as "incredible facts".

This bullshit made viral by mindless social media junkies is not only tarnishing feminism but it tarnishes almost every cause out there.



Feminism is definitely not a problem.But I do have a problem with pseduo feminism.I wouldn't call what the Rohtak sisters did pseduo femism,it's the reaction of people in social media which include many of my friends that I call pseudo feminism.I don't even know whether pseudo feminism is even a word or not but you know these days anyone can be a journalist with viral sites like scoopwhoop,etc and I feel when an incident happens, many of them become bandwagoners and try to act like a feminist when they are not. I have a problem with that.News has to be reported covering both the sides of the story,but sometimes only one side is reported when such incidents happen.Not just social media,talk about television or newspapers, none of them bothered to follow up and investigate the Rohtak incident beyond the first video.

Even in the Bangalore school rape case, a skating instructor was arrested and then after a few days he was announced innocent by the police.In between the days he was in jail, his FB profile pic was splashed on the front page of city newspapers, with literally everyone in social media (including me) abusing the shit out of the skating instructor.I guess I have gone a bit out of topic but my complain is what you have mentioned in the last line.Coming for a protest march against the rape of the Bangalore school girl,taking a selfie,uploading and getting hundreds of likes is not fighting for women's rights,blindly following every random viral video and social experiment and abusing the opposite gender like there's no tomorrow is not what I think is feminism.Infact like you said,things like these are tarnishing every other cause in the country, including feminism.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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👍🏼I completely agree ,Kochur. Worse than this is the hypocrisy in their behaviour.


Just as all women aren't naive little innocent flowers wanting protection or rather, needing it from a man, and they are incapable of fending for themselves, the same way men aren't rabid animals wanting to pounce on every woman they come across.


Pseudo-feminism is the worst because it targets not a specific incident, or a negative belief system, but men as a whole.




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Posted: 10 years ago
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Problem with this as well.How is this helping in changing mindset of people,my dear media??

Share your selfie/picture of the dress you were wearing when harassed. Post with the hashtag #NoCityForWomen


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Posted: 10 years ago
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^^ I think it is to establish the "popular opinion" as a fact that as opposed to "another popular belief" how a woman dresses herself has nothing to do with her getting harassed/abused /molested/raped.. its the rape mentality at work & that should be the issue of concern instead of resorting to victim-bashing..which is actually making a good-point in my opinion..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5

^^ I think it is to establish the "popular opinion" as a fact that as opposed to "another popular belief" how a woman dresses herself has nothing to do with her getting harassed/abused /molested/raped.. its the rape mentality at work & that should be the issue of concern instead of resorting to victim-bashing..which is actually making a good-point in my opinion..







I was just about to say this but. This.



It actually makes a very good point esp in cases when the Powers That Be in our country say absolutely apalling things like, "she shouldn't have gone oit at night", "Boys will be boys", "She was wearing tiny clothes."


NO. Rape is essentially a power game. Infact, there was an interesting documentary I saw years ago, where they interviewed rapists. Almost all of them said 2 things-


1.) They didn't decide on their victims based on what she was wearing. It wasn't her clothing that aroused them. It was more to do with their state -Booze/drug intake. Or, a revenge issue.



2.) It was TOTALLY contrary to popular opinion, but it was infact, the women who dressed "conservatively" or who were "fully clothed" that aroused their "hunting instincts." (yes, disgusting but not my word, the voice-over's.)




I do think that this ad campaign makes a very good point. More than anything, people need to be educated on Feminism , and the difference between that, and the more rabid/ pesudo forms of it. Most people in India have no idea what Feminism *actually* means.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't know about Pseudo feminism, but I have experienced 'extreme' take on this idea many a times in the recent years. I was at the court a couple of days ago and with me were a bunch of people. So it started with a guy and a girl disagreeing over something very minute and the lady turned a bit aggressive and started talking about her rights, the guy did the same but in a relatively less aggressive tone. The lady started to blame the guy of harassment suddenly out of nowhere. 😕

Most of the men present there didn't know what to do, so remained as silent spectators. Me being a girl was somewhat less scared of the lady's wrath so I somehow tried to calm her down, she in turn blamed me for not supporting her and she claimed that this was the very reason why men continue to harass women. The poor guy couldn't speak a word after that.

You won't believe, the matter didn't stop over there, she soon approached the police officials present at the premises. And I'm not even exaggerating anything, I was present there the whole time and I didn't even realize when the lady turned a victim all of a sudden. 😕 This is just one tiny incident. A lot of such unfair matters go un-noticed.

Such people and ideas speak of feminism in such a radical manner by degrading the opposite sex that it actually defeats the very essence and purpose of 'feminism' which is all about equality and mutual respect.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais




I was just about to say this but. This.



It actually makes a very good point esp in cases when the Powers That Be in our country say absolutely apalling things like, "she shouldn't have gone oit at night", "Boys will be boys", "She was wearing tiny clothes."


NO. Rape is essentially a power game. Infact, there was an interesting documentary I saw years ago, where they interviewed rapists. Almost all of them said 2 things-


1.) They didn't decide on their victims based on what she was wearing. It wasn't her clothing that aroused them. It was more to do with their state -Booze/drug intake. Or, a revenge issue.



2.) It was TOTALLY contrary to popular opinion, but it was infact, the women who dressed "conservatively" or who were "fully clothed" that aroused their "hunting instincts." (yes, disgusting but not my word, the voice-over's.)




I do think that this ad campaign makes a very good point. More than anything, people need to be educated on Feminism , and the difference between that, and the more rabid/ pesudo forms of it. Most people in India have no idea what Feminism *actually* means.


@ bold ...


Feminism is a tricky concept & i have had more than my share of debate in this context 😆 (some people here can vouch for it actually 😆 ).. Every feminist has his/her own definition of feminism which may or may not be in total sync with the technical definition of feminism.. when you say that "most people have no idea about what feminism *actually* means" does that mean that your understanding of feminism is the most legit one ?.. its debatable & subjective but it certainly cant be categorized under "facts" ..

In fact the modern feminism is soo twisted that i have entirely lost my faith in this concept irrespective of whether its psuedo feminism or otherwise.. i think this concept is itself murky & outdated & is enough to turn women into crazy irrational evil opportunistic beings..I am an Equalist because that makes more sense to me..


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