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Posted: 10 years ago

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Now that I think of it. Men, if you can slip her Rohypnol, you can slip her Mifeprex too. You have seven weeks to slip it to her.

The cursory tasteless joke where I hate men and women equally, because humans - Bleh!

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@DianaPrince

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Posted: 10 years ago

#82

It depends on societies.

India needs feminists.

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Posted: 10 years ago

#83

VivaEmptiness: I'd disagree with you on that one. Its not just the man who consented to sex, the woman did too. As far as getting pregnant/having a baby is concerned, a man (who's opposed to the baby) cannot be technically held responsible for it since he never really desired it.
And if the man could've "not had sex", the woman could've just not decided to have the baby.

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VivaEmptiness

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: krystal_watz
VivaEmptiness: I'd disagree with you on that one. Its not just the man who consented to sex, the woman did too. As far as getting pregnant/having a baby is concerned, a man (who's opposed to the baby) cannot be technically held responsible for it since he never really desired it.
And if the man could've "not had sex", the woman could've just not decided to have the baby

I don't even know where to start with that, how is abortion which is a traumatic experience for women the same as asking men to keep it in their pants? Maybe I didn't get you, could you explain it more.

But yes I do agree with you on women being as responsible but there was never an argument over that was there? The day she finds out, her part already started.

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Ume Salma Kakal

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Now a days some of the feminist have turned into MCP's. Hating entire species due to some.

You just can not blame all the men because of some men wrong doings.

@VivaEmptiness, I disagree with your post it is not only a man's job to use protection while have consented sex to avoid getting that woman pregnant. What about the women she can take birth control pills to avoid pregnancy,

The women are not victims, there are some who can be as cruel as men.

The movie" Mardangi" showed that in Human trafficking not only a man is involved but also a woman. She helps her son run and sell young girls into prostitution. Since this movie was made on real life incident.

I am also an equalist who sees both sides and tries understand both the species.

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VivaEmptiness

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

It is a tricky area.

Historically, many men impregnated women and refused to acknowledge heirs. Hence, paternity and child support laws were made. These laws are not actually to give women rights but protect illegitimate children from differences between their parents and ensure they have the means for a decent upbringing. Laws unfortunately come with loopholes. I don't think the loopholes are as prominent and common, nonetheless it is difficult for victims.

Damned Breeders!

I keep hoping for the day when Bokanovsky invents his process and absolves us of all the problems of paternity, maternity and heredity. Abortion, population control, child support, unwanted pregnancy - so many problems all solved in one fell swoop.

😆

More like damn idiots who don't practice safe sex.

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VivaEmptiness

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: sunflower52
Now a days some of the feminist have turned into MCP's. Hating entire species due to some.

You just can not blame all the men because of some men wrong doings.

@VivaEmptiness, I disagree with your post it is not only a man's job to use protection while have consented sex to avoid getting that woman pregnant. What about the women she can take birth control pills to avoid pregnancy,

The women are not victims, there are some who can be as cruel as men.

The movie" Mardangi" showed that in Human trafficking not only a man is involved but also a woman. She helps her son run and sell young girls into prostitution. Since this movie was made on real life incident.

I am also an equalist who sees both sides and tries understand both the species.


You might want to read Heisenberg's post first then it will make more sense to you 😊 I was replying to his scenario of a woman lying to a man about being on the pill. Everyone is responsible for their action, if the guy is stupid enough to fall for such a lie then he should deal with the consequences.

Edited by VivaEmptiness - 10 years ago

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441597

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: VivaEmptiness

I don't even know where to start with that, how is abortion which is a traumatic experience for women the same as asking men to keep it in their pants? Maybe I didn't get you, could you explain it more.

But yes I do agree with you on women being as responsible but there was never an argument over that was there? The day she finds out, her part already started.

The point is bifold:

--The man didn't force her for sex.

--The man did not want the baby.

I believe we're debating on child support. Ergo, my point is that why should he pay child support when he didn't want the little guy?

Edited by krystal_watz - 10 years ago

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441597

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: VivaEmptiness

You might want to read Heisenberg's post first then it will make more sense to you 😊 I was replying to his scenario of a woman lying to a man about being on the pill. Everyone is responsible for their action, if the guy is stupid enough to fall for such a lie then he should deal with the consequences.

Its called "trusting your partner". We all do it, are we stupid?

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return_to_hades

@return_to_hades

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Posted: 10 years ago

#90

No contraceptive is fail safe. The most practical approach is to use both birth control and condoms. That way there failure statistics are further reduced. In today's times the morning after and the abortion pill make things easier. If you accidentally had unprotected sex, forgot to take your birth control pill or feel the condom was defective you can take the morning after pill within 72 hours. If you skip your period you still can take the abortion pill within seven weeks. And always remember, you can always prevent pregnancy by practicing the big A. And no I don't prescribe abstinence.

The question of having children is a tricky subject. That is why I highly recommend that before having sex you both should have had a conversation about your thoughts on children. You should be relatively comfortable with having a child together in case all precautions fail. I know this isn't always practical. Such conversations and thoughts are awkward and may feel too soon in a relationship. Some people have sex for fun and will never want to consider this line of thought. If feasible though it offers some sort of protection against people who maybe using you. Again it isn't fail safe. Trust can be betrayed by anyone.

The only reason I support reproductive rights for women is because they carry a child to term in their womb. It means a nine month commitment and lifestyle change. So they deserve the right to decide whether to carry it to term or not. No one can force her to keep or abort a child.

I also do struggle to empathize with unwilling fathers paying child support because childless people still pay property taxes to support school districts, pay other taxes to support childcare and welfare programs. When you actively choose not to have children, it is annoying to invest socially to support other people's breeding. Unfortunately, thats how society works and we socially do benefit from well educated and cared for kids.

While it does suck to pay for or be stuck with a child you never wanted, there are many things you could have done to avoid that child. I think the higher earning partner should pay for child support. The ratio each partner inputs in raising a child should be proportional to their incomes. Similarly, custody should be objectively decided by which partner has the most interest, time and means to care for the child best. In case of equal or similar circumstances, the custody should be 50-50 or proportionate.

I think one major advantage of gay marriages and divorces has been forcing courts to see beyond male vs. female and see what each individual brings to the relationship. When you give child custody to a man or make a woman pay alimony, you realize that it is not gender but individual circumstance that dictates the outcomes.

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