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Posted: 10 years ago
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I'd put a ditto on RTH's post. The term for fighting against discrimination is "feminism" and not "equalism" since it takes away the emphasis from where it should be, i.e., pulling up the less privileged section to level the field.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

I'd put a ditto on RTH's post. The term for fighting against discrimination is "feminism" and not "equalism" since it takes away the emphasis from where it should be, i.e., pulling up the less privileged section to level the field.


@ bold :As an Equalist, I beg to differ ...

Egalitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia under that , gender egalitarianism



See for yourself , Equalism does indeed put emphasis on gender discrimination & does its best to pull up the less privileged section to level the field.. i repeat a 'fem' prefix is not a necessity to serve this cause.. there are other saner ways to achieve the same..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Darling_

Well, people just hate women, that's why they make fun of the term feminism. No need to make excuses. Many do. Though, there are many feminists in U.S who actually work for elites than women, They destroy families, children's lives, do injustice to men, etc instead. They have just hijacked feminist movement. I do have big problem with them.

But Feminism should be in India, M.E, so some misogynists and brainwashed men, who believe women are less, get through their thick heads. However, we should be care it doesn't get hijacked. Anyway, Humanity is great. For all. Men, women, children, animals. etc.



Well a lot of women don't support feminism either, that doesn't mean they hate women, nor does it mean that they don't care about empowerment, equality etc.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5


@ bold :As an Equalist, I beg to differ ...

Egalitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia under that , gender egalitarianism



See for yourself , Equalism does indeed put emphasis on gender discrimination & does its best to pull up the less privileged section to level the field.. i repeat a 'fem' prefix is not a necessity to serve this cause.. there are other saner ways to achieve the same..



An ideology that is supposed to fight against discrimination and advocate equality is coined exclusively on one gender alone, it's a polarizing word to begin with.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heisenberg.



An ideology that is supposed to fight against discrimination and advocate equality is coined exclusively on one gender alone, it's a polarizing word to begin with.





@ red : precisely ! .. and i think if the ideology was inclusive of all kinds of people instead of being polarizing , it would be able to serve the cause in a better manner .. considering the seriousness of the issue , i dont think self-isolation will do the trick here.. and whenever i bring forth such points , all feminists say is - 'open your eyes there are many male feminists around' which i dont think sufficiently rules out my point of argument , is 'many' enough ? , how about including everybody & if you expect to include everybody in such a polarizing ideology, thats just stupid in my opinion..

Now having said that , i truly/honestly believe that Feminism in its truest form was indeed a necessity in initial stages of fight against patriarchy.. something like that was required to break out from the rigid system that plagued our soceity but now i think we have reached a point where if women continue to hold on to this outdated concept , it will do more harm than good..now i think women should start thinking of our species as a whole & not in terms of men or women .. i agree that there is still a part of battle left to be fought but let us fight this final battle together as human beings & not as men-women.. i think we can afford to do that now if only women allow themselves to see beyond feminism..and if women continue to give an excuse that no we are not yet ready for that since the discrimination is still huge, all i can say is , give us a call when you people are ready & fyi as "Equalists" we too are fighting discrimination..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Heisenberg.


An ideology that is supposed to fight against discrimination and advocate equality is coined exclusively on one gender alone, it's a polarizing word to begin with.



One side is lower than the other. To ensure equality the side that is lower needs to be pulled up to level. That is why the focus is on uplifting the lower side.

That is why feminism. That is why #BlackLivesMatter.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heisenberg.



An ideology that is supposed to fight against discrimination and advocate equality is coined exclusively on one gender alone, it's a polarizing word to begin with.



Its not a polarising word in any sense. If people care to take it in the correct meaning.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5



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<font color="#000099">@ red : precisely ! .. and i think if the ideology was inclusive of all kinds of people instead of being polarizing , it would be able to serve the cause in a better manner .. considering the seriousness of the issue , i dont think self-isolation will do the trick here.. and whenever i bring forth such points , all feminists say is - 'open your eyes there are many male feminists around' which i dont think sufficiently rules out my point of argument , is 'many' enough ? , how about including everybody & if you expect to include everybody in such a polarizing ideology, thats just stupid in my opinion.. </font>
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<font color="#000099">Now having said that , i truly/honestly believe that Feminism in its truest form was indeed a necessity in initial stages of fight against patriarchy.. something like that was required to break out from the rigid system that plagued our soceity but now i think we have reached a point where if women continue to hold on to this outdated concept , it will do more harm than good..now i think women should start thinking of our species as a whole & not in terms of men or women .. i agree that there is still a part of battle left to be fought but let us fight this final battle together as human beings & not as men-women.. i think we can afford to do that now if only women allow themselves to see beyond feminism..and if women continue to give an excuse that no we are not yet ready for that since the discrimination is still huge, all i can say is , give us a call when you people are ready & fyi as "Equalists" we too are fighting discrimination.. </font>



But then why busy yourself with the term itself? If you too are essentially submitting to the idea of equality and anti-discrimination, then you are at your heart a feminist.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

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But then why busy yourself with the term itself? If you too are essentially submitting to the idea of equality and anti-discrimination, then you are at your heart a feminist.


I agree.. what i call equalism is what feminists call feminism & vice versa.. so basically we have similar ideologies but the difference lies in how we decide to label ourselves .. "labels" are in itself debatable.. even look at your above post , you chose to label me a 'feminist' against my will , doesnt that itself show why we busy ourselves with the term itself ?..yes i am whole heartedly submitting to the idea of equality and anti-discrimination but i refuse to be labelled a feminist in modern context for many many reasons.. and i even find it difficult to accept that you took the liberty to label me a 'feminist' based on your definition of 'feminism'.. the concept of feminism in modern context is itself murky & outdated IMO , so i donot identify with this concept .. and so I am Equalist & NOT a Feminist .. you certainly can say that we share basic ideologies but i am not willing to give you the liberty to label me a feminist for that reason alone..i believe Equalism is the broader & more importantly "saner" concept here & not feminism..

I repeat , Feminism does have a major significance/importance in the history of fight against patriarchy but now in the modern society where women are consciously given an upper hand in the society through judicial system , this concept doesnt serve a credible purpose other than turning women into irrational beings .. and by advocating the "evolution" of feminism , the so called modern feminists are actually tarnishing the sanctity of Feminism in its truest form & honest meaning..they fail & refuse to accept the fact that this concept is not meant for modern times..if they further continue to isolate themselves , they are undoubtedly going to make a mockery out of the REAL feminism ( 'real' here is the feminism as per its technical definition & not the modern twisted/evolved definition ).. and so i believe , for Feminism's sake these people should reconsider their irrational stand in the modern society..but i would hate to see Feminism being degraded like this through evolution..

I find it funny how in modern times , women's rights are equated to minority group's rights..i bet people who protest against such minority group's rights would be only too happy to see the minority species completely eliminated from the face of the world & wouldnt even feel guilty about it, but can you say the same for women?.. would anyone want to see the female species completely vanished from the face of the world ?.even female foeticide is not carried out with an intention to wipe out the female species...and because of continued female foeticide in northern India , the sex ratio has become very disproportionate & now the men from north come begging for brides in my home state Kerala.. my point being , comparing women with minority groups is absurd , if men are the king of the world , women are the queen & the world requires both the king & the queen , even the most misogynist King would have no choice but to accept this fact .. as far as, the equality in rights is concerned , Feminism did its part , now its upto Equalism to take it forward..and if women keep on bringing in Feminism every now n then in modern context , it takes us a step backwards , the issue only gets complicated further & the spirit of true Feminism suffers in the process..i cant comment on racism in America since i dont have first-hand experience in this case, i visited US for only a period of a week & half, two years ago & i did find hints of racism then, as in, my college incharge subtly advised us to keep a safe distance from black people ( which i found a bit absurd )..still thats a small period of time to judge the actual situation there..but i can say with some confidence that LGBT rights movement is not in the same category as 'women's rights ' , LGBT people are in a stage wherein women's rights was some 50 yrs ago or even worse because LGBT was, is & unfortunately will be marginalized as opposed to women who were always an integral & important part of the society even when the major disparity of rights existed.. my point being the comparison of women with minority is itself absurd on so many levels & so the same rules cannot be applied to both..women & women's rights is not in the same league as minority & minority's rights.. hence the comparison is invalid..

There was a time when independent existence of Feminism was a necessity but now its time to integrate it with Equalism to avoid complications & further mockery of feminism.. the minority rights movements are a part of Equalism just as Feminism was & if ever a day comes when the minority rights can be safely integrated with Equalism without the need of its independent existence , it will be the day that marks true victory for humanity..as of now , as opposed to Feminism, minority rights still have a long way to go before its individual existence ceases to exit..i believe the remaining battle of gender discrimination can be / should be fought with Equalism & not with Feminism for the previously mentioned reasons..
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