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Posted: 16 years ago
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interesting discussion...I for one adore KKHH,K3G,KHNH..some of my most fave films of Bollywood...as for KANK I completely hated it
coming to Dostana I found it entertaining a light hearted comedy..I didnt find any thing that might upset homosexuals..but then again that's just me...
as a film maker I think KJo knows the "formula" that works with the audience hence he incorporates that in his films...I think that he is experienced as a film maker and can do wonders with his projects if he goes beyond love stories and romances..and moves to something deeper which he is doing with MNIK...
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Posted: 16 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: roxthefox

Dude, relax. Both films have done historic business, despite being trite films. I won't be knocking down households, but you really can't stop me from sharing my opinion.
As for Aditiya Chopra, I hated DDLJ, but I'll give it credit for being the first of its kind. Mohabatein was just as craptastic, but at least it never attempts to be preachy or shoves a message down our throat. Mindless entertainment. I think you're missing the entire point of this thread, and I'm tired of repeating myself to justify my point.

yeh u can voice ur opinins and i will voice my own, i am not missing any point of the discussion, i am saying karan makes good movies, kuch kuch hota hai, k3g, kank, kal ho na ho, and dostana all are one of a kind movies, he is not one of the directors who just uses masalas to make his movies work unlike farah khan, and i dun see anything wrong wid any of the messages he has brought through his movies, the famous 'pyar dosti hain'-is somthing that i truly believe in, k3g-was about loving ur parents despite how they are, or wat they have dun, and deep down inside no matter how angry they are, they love u and will forgive u, kal ho na ho-time is precious, life is precious, so spent it being happy and with the person who can keep u happy, KANK-don't marry for the sake of marrying, but marry because u want to and preferrably if u r in love! and that's how u end up not hurting neone! and the value of true love!
Edited by nkapoor - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nkapoor

this is my reply for KANK their is such thing as 'instant chemistry' which lacked in both their relationships, but when they met each other somthing clicked, the first scene explains everything rani and srk marriage for convenience, and both of them looking at each other while walking, and srk's reaction after finding rani, how they connected, found a chemistry, love within each other in their first meeting itself, somtbhing they were looking for, and their bitterness is shown very clearly, they were trying to work on their marriage, but their love for one another grew, and they were unable to love their own partners, not cause their was anyting wrong wid them, but cause rani's character wanted true love or wanted babies and got none, and srk's character again wanted to play international football but got injured, and did not found love or comfort in form of his wife, cause he did not love her.



You missed my point, I was not saying anything about the story, I for one thought that he had a good story to work with. My problem with the film was the lack of clarity of the characters and their reasoning. I am not undermining anything you have said in your points above, but KJo as a film maker lacked to show the bonding between the two protagonists.

I disagree about the instant chemistry point that you made, I agree one can have an instant bonding, but that does not mean that just based on that instant chemistry they stop pondering about their current relationship and commitments. He failed to show the inner turmoil and the depth of their love and their resulting failed marriages. Again I thought that the characters were fairly decently etched out, but he failed to explore the reasons in depth. (the ones you mentioned (Rani's plight for true love and wanting to become a mother, and SRK's failing career)) Just by mentioning the above reasons in passing is not enough to justify their acts.

These are just my views, and not everyone can think alike; we all agree to disagree with each other. So all in good spirit, I respect your opinion and vice versa.

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Someone mentioned about Daag, Silsila and Arth. Before I venture out what I want to say, I'll like to mention that I am not trying to justify KANK or KJo, I merely wanted to bring forward a view point. KANK was pointless, though the subject was good.

So regarding the movies mentioned above, I do agree with the postmaker that those movies were unconventional, and the basis of those movies was infidelity, but the issue that the movies dealt with were very different from each other and KANK itself.

Arth; it focused more on the subject of empowering women in the early 80s, it exposed the mistakes of a male dominated society and the different moral scales that a society uses to measure men and women.

In Silsila, the two protagonists were already in love, and it was about their affair being rekindled after marriage. And even this movie failed to deliver in many aspects; I won't indulge further, but Yash Chopra tried to challenge the moral principles, but he didn't manage to break it. There was no parallel between love and marraige, why do they go back to their respective partners in the end? But discussing this movie is a different matter altogether.

Daag was again another movie made by Yash Chopra, it was based on a novel by Gulshan Nanda, if I am not mistaken. I remember my mum mentioning that. Anyhow it was more of a forced love triangle resulted due to certain events in their life. So basically my only point is that though KANK might not have had an unconventional subject, it sure focused (though badly) on a different issue, in comparison to previous movies based on infidelity.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: roxthefox

Dude, relax. Both films have done historic business, despite being trite films. I won't be knocking down households, but you really can't stop me from sharing my opinion.
As for Aditiya Chopra, I hated DDLJ, but I'll give it credit for being the first of its kind. Mohabatein was just as craptastic, but at least it never attempts to be preachy or shoves a message down our throat. Mindless entertainment. I think you're missing the entire point of this thread, and I'm tired of repeating myself to justify my point.



NAHHIIIIIIIIINNNNNNN...😲 How can you not like DDLJ??? Just kidding. Its my favourite romantic b'wood movie, it is one of the very few romance flicks that I actually liked. Though it has to be one of the most cheesiest, over the top, cliched movies, but I LURVEEEEEE IT..😆 May be that is why I actually love it, you know even a filmy doctor prescribes some amount of cheesiness for a perfectly functional normal mind.😆 And may be other reason being I love SRK-Kajol together; none of the recent pairs can match up to them.

I do agree that Aditya Chopra has never projected his films to be sending out a message, they are just plain romantic films that one can enjoy and increase your expectations of finding a Raj, or more recent Suriji..😡 Damn you Adi, its all coz of you that we will never find a dream man, coz they don't exist..😆 On a serious note, he has never gone about telling us 'its all about loving your parents...'
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: roxthefox



And how many of those directors become household names? Well, they are definitely not getting any oscars, that's for sure. Many stupid funny movies make money all the time. People like to watch them. The masses don't necessarily appreciate a well-made film all the time. People just like to be entertained.




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Posted: 16 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: *Huma*



You missed my point, I was not saying anything about the story, I for one thought that he had a good story to work with. My problem with the film was the lack of clarity of the characters and their reasoning. I am not undermining anything you have said in your points above, but KJo as a film maker lacked to show the bonding between the two protagonists.

I disagree about the instant chemistry point that you made, I agree one can have an instant bonding, but that does not mean that just based on that instant chemistry they stop pondering about their current relationship and commitments. He failed to show the inner turmoil and the depth of their love and their resulting failed marriages. Again I thought that the characters were fairly decently etched out, but he failed to explore the reasons in depth. (the ones you mentioned (Rani's plight for true love and wanting to become a mother, and SRK's failing career)) Just by mentioning the above reasons in passing is not enough to justify their acts.

These are just my views, and not everyone can think alike; we all agree to disagree with each other. So all in good spirit, I respect your opinion and vice versa.

-------------------------------

Someone mentioned about Daag, Silsila and Arth. Before I venture out what I want to say, I'll like to mention that I am not trying to justify KANK or KJo, I merely wanted to bring forward a view point. KANK was pointless, though the subject was good.

So regarding the movies mentioned above, I do agree with the postmaker that those movies were unconventional, and the basis of those movies was infidelity, but the issue that the movies dealt with were very different from each other and KANK itself.

Arth; it focused more on the subject of empowering women in the early 80s, it exposed the mistakes of a male dominated society and the different moral scales that a society uses to measure men and women.

In Silsila, the two protagonists were already in love, and it was about their affair being rekindled after marriage. And even this movie failed to deliver in many aspects; I won't indulge further, but Yash Chopra tried to challenge the moral principles, but he didn't manage to break it. There was no parallel between love and marraige, why do they go back to their respective partners in the end? But discussing this movie is a different matter altogether.

Daag was again another movie made by Yash Chopra, it was based on a novel by Gulshan Nanda, if I am not mistaken. I remember my mum mentioning that. Anyhow it was more of a forced love triangle resulted due to certain events in their life. So basically my only point is that though KANK might not have had an unconventional subject, it sure focused (though badly) on a different issue, in comparison to previous movies based on infidelity.

i respect ur opinion, but i have watched silsila, and i find that there is a reason to go bak to their partners, jaya is about to become a mother of his child, she does not complain and lets go of amitabh having faith in her undying love for him, and that's what brings him bak to her, on the other side rekha's husband who knows everything, and sees an affair infront of his own eyes tells rekha he won't question, and again loves her so much and has faith that he'll see her on the airport, i mean any person will respect and fall in love with people like that, that love you, care for ur feelings, will forgive u, and have the undying faith that u'll cum bak to them, and unlike KANK they had no needs that cud not be fulfilled. Even in KANK srk and rani decide to cum bak to the partners due to the duties towards their partners and love, but they dun accept it! and i feel that in the movie KANK the protagonists aren't moral, this movie is set in new york, but again averyone has their own view point to see things!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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You hit the nail. Even in Salaam Namaste they made mockery of a woman about to give birth. Preity Zinta & Saif Ali Khan in the labour room with a comical male midwife. This mockery was uncalled for. It was an insult to any women who has kept the baby in her womb for 9 months.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ms.S.K.

To roxthefox
You hit the nail. Even in Salaam Namaste they made mockery of a woman about to give birth. Preity Zinta & Saif Ali Khan in the labour room with a comical male midwife. This mockery was uncalled for. It was an insult to any women who has kept the baby in her womb for 9 months.

OMG THE WHOLE MOVIE WAS ABOUT THE BABY AND THE STRENGTH OF THE MOTHER JUST A COMICAL SCENE IN THE END DOESN'T RUIN ANYTHING SALAAM NAMASTE IS ONE OF MY FAV MOVIES!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: nkapoor

OMG THE WHOLE MOVIE WAS ABOUT THE BABY AND THE STRENGTH OF THE MOTHER JUST A COMICAL SCENE IN THE END DOESN'T RUIN ANYTHING SALAAM NAMASTE IS ONE OF MY FAV MOVIES!

OMG then Salaam Namaste CAN be your favorite movie!
Who the heck is telling you to dislike it? And it's her opinion if she doesn't like it and felt the comedy thing wasn't needed, why are you getting so hyper?
Chilllllllllllllll.
My thing is, it's one thing to have a good message/truth about life in a movie, but that doesn't mean you automatically have an awesome movie. You need to portray it well, which is what I don't see in the majority of K-Jo's movies.
If anyone gets offended by my comment, I will laugh. Sorry, I really will.
Edited by sabrinaa. - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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well maybe cause they make big bucks at the cinema😛..so he will stop making it when people stop watchin it and i dont see that happening anytime soon... whether some like or not😃

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