DOTW: Why is K-Jo still allowed to make films? - Page 11

A Chopra is like fast food. You're being fed something with lots of flavor, but really is utter crap Craptastic crap. After you eat the crap, you feel horrible and you swear you'll never put yourself through it again. But then Michael Bay comes out with some new crap that looks super delicious in the commercials. Your mouth waters and you end up saying "I know it's crap...but damn it looks like delicious crap." and you take off to give it a try."

Simply put: his films make money and Bollywood only cares about money.

That said I did like KKHH and KANK because they did have some heart.

Has Karan made a film in India since KKHH?

Originally posted by: sapnon_ki_pari

God I hated K3G so no matter how much I try I will not be able to defend it except for Kajol's character's comedy. The rest of it was SO cheesy, and melodramatic as well as unreal.

KANK- once again I hated the movie. But there were some aspects of it that I did find very real and they touched me. I loved the characters of Preity and Abhishek a lot. SRK and Rani's characters were so stupid because one day SRK is angry and as soon as he meets Rani he discovers that he can smile again-- bull shit. But here are a few ideas of the movie that I really liked:

1) Preity's character in the movie wasn't the standard sati savitri type. She worked and was passionate about her work and faught against the idea that if a man works late night its, fine but if a women works then she is neglecting her child. She realized at the right time that her son was just as important and she didn't shy away from learning from her mistakes and then finding a balance instead of sacrificing one or the other.

2) Abhishek-- he was shown as a male chauvanistic pig but he truly loved his wife and he totally reminded me of someone I used to know. He was a gentleman at heart and it just went to show that don't judge a book by a cover

I really disliked the part where at the end, Preity and Abhishek forgive SRK and Rani because I felt that they don't deserve that.

I just think KJo movies (NOT ALL) but some have at least a few good/debatable/bold topics.

I love how I am arguing on a very thin line because I know KJo movies are so stupid at times but I feel like arguing from the other point. I also think that he deserves all the attention he gets because he works hard and I feel that is all that matters at the end of the day.

I'll agree that Priety's character was somewhat tolerable, but I still reserve that none of the characters had motivations for doing what they did. The best part in the entire film was when Priety's character asked SRK's character how he would react if she had cheated on him. *Slap*

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The feminist inside me was about to explode.

Everyone works hard. 😛

^ That was my favorite part of the movie too!

I agree everyone does work hard and i believe that whoever does their work honestly should deserve the same type of success. But the fact that they don't is out of our hands and so there is no point in debating about that aspect of life.

Because he has money, power and success. And above all he's incredibly gifted as far as PR exercices are concerned. The way he promotes(d) SRK(ajol) constantly is a great achievement because Hindi movies are mostly known thanks to them "the 3Ks". He promotes SRGauri as well. Even Sanjay Leela Bensali told him in KWK that he had the "bad" tendancy to mix private and public very often and in his movies as well....Moreover he has the best connections in BW (Vogue mag, the bankable actors, Fashion, Music, Jet set)...But let's face it, the formula does work for him.

Thanks for posting this topic. There is so much I want to say about KJO's and his films.

I just found this topic and I have to go somewhere in a few, but I am compelled to say few things.

One, I am sooooooo glad that there are other people who didn't think Dostana was all that. Ok..there were some funny parts (mainly Abhishek, Kiron Kher and Boman) and John and Priyanka looked pretty good in the movie. That's all I'll give it.

But, being a gay man himself...Couldn't he have tackled the gay subject a little differently. Ok..it's ok if he wants to make a funny movie, but no need to go into the whole Bobby love angle. Maybe stick with them questioning their gayness and continue with the Kiron Kher comedy of errors and just stick with that. Why have the whole KKHH scene with John and Priyanka . It felt like a plug for his movie. That was super annoying. Or the Abhi- priyanka scene. Both were so ridiculous and not needed.

In the same way, the others like KKHH, K3G, Kal ho na ho, KANK, all had something to offer the audience. But, at the end were not complete packages.
You don't come out of his movies and say that was great filmmaking, but you do enjoy moments and scenes. So I would say there is potential, but there is something lacking. The true soul is lacking. Plus, he gets corny at times. One actually wants to cover their faces.

I think it's because he wants to make a masala movie with some funny moments and emotional moments of love. Very grandiose settings and over the top acting. But, this takes away from the story and spirit of what he was trying to convey.

What I think Karan needs to do is go to some remote place in another part of the world and do the simple daily life there for just a few months. He needs to find beauty in simple things. He will gain more in that then anything else. His life is grandiose and he may find himself lost in it. Giving way to the same environment in his movies.

@Ranig : I totally agree with you about the beauty of simple things....Sometimes Karan makes a confusion about Beauty and Big, Grandeur and Grandiloquence.....Only in KKHH I think he got to the heart of simple feelings and the beauty of simple things : Friendship.

well..personally, i think that KJO's cinema caters towards what the audience want (majorly the masses). They want to see fluff, they want to see melodrama, they want to see SRK sweeping his fingers through his hair and stretching his arms for the actress to come running towards him. He gives the audience what they want, and hence, his films are blockbusters. Now u may call him superficial, talentless, etc etc but uve got to admit, he knows his audience well. He knows exactly what can make a movie successful and he does just that. Why else would all his films starting from KKHH, K3G, KHNH etc money spinners at the box office?

Some people might say that cinema should be about expression and not about commercial success and that is true. You can also say that his films are unrealistic, regressive and over-the top and I would still agree with you. But u cannot blame KJO for giving the audience what they want. He has made a brand of cinema for himself...KJO's brand of cimena, which is glossy, glitzy, melodramatic, OTT yet entertaining enough to be liked by the audience of india and overseas.

You also have to understand that the time during which K3G, KKHH were made was early late 90's and 2000's. Now during that time, even such OTT films were a breath of fresh air for the audience who were recovering from crap like Mela, bulandi and other B-GRADE monstorities.

Now coming to KANK, yes there was no motivation for the characters to behave that way. Yes, there is no reason why rani is cold towards abhi, and srk is cranky towards preity. Yes, the happy ending may seem like it is promoting infidelity. But KJO was just trying to make a point. The crux of the film was that the basis of a marriage should be unconditional love and support from both the partners. Rani and srk's characters don;t love their partners and are in a marriage of compromise. Its pretty simple - if you dunt love someone, u dunt love them! if there isn't a connection between the two, therejust isnt!!! there is no reason for that!!! And the happy ending was merely making a statement that if you are in a marriage wherein you dunt love your partner whole-heartedly, then its better to walk out of it rather than make yourself and your partner suffer.

dostana wasn't his work and he was just financing it...so i wouldnt talk abt that (although i found it ridiculous and idiotic to the core)

KJO is in a sense, the ekta kapoor of bollywood. people love to hate him and his brand of cinema, rub their hands in glee at the prospect of trashing his work. But u have to agree that - like him, hate him, you absolutely cannot ignore KJO. He dosen;t make movies for elite intellectuals, he makes films for the masses ala Manmohan desai.

Originally posted by: lalixlili

Because he has money, power and success. And above all he's incredibly gifted as far as PR exercices are concerned. The way he promotes(d) SRK(ajol) constantly is a great achievement because Hindi movies are mostly known thanks to them "the 3Ks". He promotes SRGauri as well. Even Sanjay Leela Bensali told him in KWK that he had the "bad" tendancy to mix private and public very often and in his movies as well....Moreover he has the best connections in BW (Vogue mag, the bankable actors, Fashion, Music, Jet set)...But let's face it, the formula does work for him.

I agree it's not a profound cinema but I think Kjo is good when it comes to direct melodrama because it's all about melodrama, if you don't like the genre then you won't like his movies.

I think KKHH is a special movie because it's about true love and true frienship more specifically about an ideal vision of true love and true friednship .... the thing is Kjo's movies take elements from his relationship with SRK and Gauri and he puts them in his movies and that is sometimes disturbing...

He offers ideal standards and make them seem as what life could have been if if if...So it's pretty obvious why people can connect so easily..As I say you have to be in the mood for some type of movie : Aamir Khan's or SRK's...

I enjoyed watching KKHH but it's a bit sexist and Rahul is selfish....

When Anjali was a tomboy, he went after the hottie, when Anjali turned into a hottie he went after her and broke her wedding....🤢

As for K3G : the first part is very good, the second half is🤢 especially with the college parts (not accurate or exact)...Poo is a desi version of Paris Hilton...sometimes I think Paris Hilton may have taken some tips from that character. I find Poo very funny and ridiculous at the same time...the worst part is that Kjo only wrote her after Bebo...I don't know if it's a compliment...Duggu acts good in the movie but the "rock star sex symbol" image was a bit too much....

I was touched by the funeral scene with the torch held by all the 3 male actors...Really moving.

And as some people said the West vs East "war" in terms of values principles is really IRRITATING and I mean it...especially when y're a viewer from the West and y're conservative as I am....I don't know any Poo character and Thank God for that...And all the girls aren't brainless consumers or selfish nymphs....But I guess Kjo only gives the regular indian guy/girl reasons to feel "superior" over British...kinda we're better than you attitude....it's not needed...

As for Kank : the cinematography, the music, the clothes, the acting are perfect. The topic is interesting...But why did Kjo try to give them a "valuable" excuse? Because there's no excuse to cheating only basic reasons : boredom within a couple, lack of affection, misunderstanding, the routine, lust, desire, passion, loneliness.....Sexy Sam was entertaining..(I love how Kjo's actors play their real life character on screen...😛) but useless, Kiron Kher was useless too...They really needed the Elders to understand that cheating wasn't the best way to solve their marriage issues...???C'mon!!!! Because Dev and Maya chose that way to deal with their problems.....I think mixing comedy and melodrama may lead to the a wrong interpretation of the movie.....The thing is Kjo wanted to make some people "happy" by casting the Bachchan family for KANK and Jaya in KHNH because she got angry at him when she doesn't star in her successful productions/movies...

And in the script some things are too easy...Rishi and Dev's wife's jobs are too "glamorous".....Dev and Maya's job are closed to regular people....Those two worlds don't mix easily in general.....

The script lacked some substance but I liked the movie because for once SRK did something out of his comfort zone and he played his part well...

As for Dostana, it's a stylish comedy entertaining but not the most brilliant....

If Kjo wants to be a messiah for the LGBT unofficial communitry in India, he should first say that he's gay if he's and not try to search a cinematographic excuse to say it to the world...Easy to say/direct difficult to do...😕 I know he's not Ang Lee but some of the best movies/series about gay people have already been shot "The Banquet Wedding", "Brokeback Mountain" "Maurice" "Raimbaud verlaine" "La Cage aux Folles" QAF ...and I'm pretty sure Kjo knows about it.......Dostana looked like a gay version of Miami Vice without the police action....

And he should start to hire other actors than SRK, Abhi, SAK Kajol, Bebo to play roles in his productions....It's like an endless circle of friends that pay each other to remain in cordial and good terms...

Not sure about the sincerity of those kind of bonds.

I think KJo believes that he can make any newcomer a star (Itw with Ranbir, itw with Esha Deol in KWK) he always promotes them by flattering them that's ridiculous...

I've twitted Kjo : plz no more caricature for the Dostana sequel.....

Dostana can be funny but not by reapeting constant stupid clichs....but perhaps it's a way to make people more acceptive...

I think India is lucky to have directors who make cinema that people all over the world can understand and enjoy.

Plz guys don't say a movie is C**P, just say you don't like it, it's more respectful towards people who put money effort and creativity in it..;if there's creativity😃

I know educated people who laugh when they watch KI and Singh is Kinng. Personally, I don"t find those movie very intellectual but it's entertaining and it's the sole purpose...

As for Aamir he refused Baazigar and Darr because he wanted to play the regular indian lover boy hero....but Lady Fortuna helped SRK to reach that status....So when SRK plays in a romance movie it's kinda automatic for him, it doesn't require any real effort or research because he has been typecasted so much...Aamir has to find a way to be singular...and now he's a singular actor because his movies are both entertaining and profound..

I like Swades and CDI a lot because SRK doesn't jump around he is just a "normal" guy who has inner feelings which torture him and he tries to control them😉

This is a pretty great and substantial post, but I gotta give you some brownie points for mentioning La Cage Aux Folles. Incredible cinematic achievement. 👏

I can't believe this topic is resurrected every couple of weeks.

It was luck by chance that I have found out about your post and I find it very interesting. I was pretty harsh on Kjo because in fact I really appreciate his personality and his mind. He's someone really articulate and brilliant. No doubt SRK takes him with so often to go to some substantial meeting (India Conclave - Hindustan Times Summit, Controversy over the distributor and the producer), his speech abilities are truly noteworthy. His fashion taste, his music choices, his sensitive way to write some beautiful dialogues give him credit as someone profound and thoughtful but sometimes his movies lack of his own soul. It's a pity. I hope MNIK will correct this.