DOTW: Why is K-Jo still allowed to make films? - Page 10

Because KJo has money and clout. He took Archie, Betty, Veronica and turned into KKHH and everyone lapped it up. NRI romances and Dostana type idiotic jokes are what people like so KJo is a big shot.

He had the audacity to say on Farah's show that now he is fit and god knows what so he shows off on Facebook. What he doesn't know is that he still is a loser who is arse of all jokes.

Atlast a topic discussing KJO and the Yash Chopras. I completely agree that he is a lousy film maker in my books. Showing abroad locations, have an NRI gal in skimpy clothes and an alternative simple gal doesn't make it a great movie.

I didnt think KKHH was a great movie. I make it a point to stay clear of the theatres when movies from either film makers release. Mainly, bcoz I know what to expect when i go to see their movies.

FOR KJO

Abroad locations
NRI portrayed as someone with lots of attitude and arrogance and dressed in what not
melodrama
kabh khush kabhi gham was the one of the worst I have seen, I wanted to slap all those esp SRK and Jaya B for crying so much not to mention Kajol's over acting and singing saare jahan se acha in one scene.

CHOPRAS

actresses who lack dignity and self respect
drama
white outfits with the couple running among daffodils
over the top stories .absolutely illogical

overall they suck....sorry no offense to their fans

Originally posted by: sabrinaa.

But homosexuality isn't a concept to be entertained about or to be used as comedy.. :/

So, I still stick by my previous comment, it's not so much about the message, but how the director shows that message throughout the film. Which, for me, K-Jo failsssssssssss.

Yah, I understand where you are coming from. But I think that India is not open for a 'Brokeback Mountain' just yet and Dostana was a fun way to pave the pathway for future directors to take the subject and portray in a more serious manner. I think they have made a funny not an insulting movie because I have a gay friend (not Indian) who found the movie hilarious. The movie used stereotypes to make it amusing but it did not question people's choice. When John and Abhi told Priyanka in the movie that they are gay, it was not looked down upon but rather accepted as part of it. Then when the mom was told about it, obviously she is not going to be okay with it right away but after a while she too accepted it. Yes they made Kiron Kher overact but it was to try and not make the movie preachy.

It is funny because when a movie gets serious about things like this, people say that it is too preachy. If they make it funny, then they claim that the movie is too offensive.

But after saying all that, I can see where people might find it offensive... I just think it was an honest try...

Originally posted by: tashu_id

Dang you people can write!!! 😃 n' I'm loving this thread 'coz I dont approve of any KJO or Yash Johar movies. I do watch them all with prying eyes but have hated most if not all.

KANK, K3G, Mohabatein tops my list on being the crappiest movie in the history of movie making!!!

I kinda feel like I dont really like mainstream bollywood commercial movies in general 🤓 despite countable few albeit being an ardent follower/ movie goer.

👍🏼 ROX

I don't like most mainstream/commercial BHollywood films either. Why? Because they're all braincell destroying. Apparently, a movie that constitutes great writing, great acting, and great dialogues, cannot be entertaining enough to be considered 'mainstream'.

Why do compelling stories and entertainment have to be mutually exclusive?

😛

Originally posted by: Alia_Khan50

And the interesting thing is that in all the crapfest of movies from KJO and YRF SRK is the common factor. Commercially they may have done well for SRK, but these same movies have prevented him from growing as an actor or extending his versatility, which has been virtually non-existent.

Which is quite a contrast to Aamir Khan who also may choose cringeworthy stuff like Fanna, Ghajini, Mela etc..... But immediately bounces back with a RDB, Lagaan, TZP, 1947 Earth, DCH etc...

Hear hear! 👏 I still reserve my thoughts that SRK had potential to be a decent, even great actor. Melodrama aside, I really enjoyed his 'villain' roles from his earlier films. However, DDLJ was officially the end of his acting career and the beginning of his superstar career. It not only spawned K-Jo's regressive films, but was also the beginning of 'SRK plays SRK' era. Some may hail him as God's gift to acting, but for me, he's a one note, type-cast actor, who inhabits little to no versatility. This is not to say that he should have starred in art house or Indie films to grow and prove his acting ability. I admire SRK for attempting to venture into 'Indie' films with Swades, but I guess SRK realized that rom-com/dramas are his forte, and he rather not venture outside the narrow radius of his comfort zone. I'm actually quite surprised that SRK has been quite successful in playing the same character in every film.

Originally posted by: sapnon_ki_pari

So, I haven't got much time so I wasn't able to read all the posts so far but I had to give my input. I like Karan Johar for a few reasons:

1) he isn't scared of trying to fit his movies into a standard norm. KANK (though I disliked the movie a lot!) was still different, bold, and he tried to portray a different side to relationships and its not about whether we agree with the story or not but more about the fact that he was able to bring it out for people to discuss. I know, I hated the movie but after watching it-- I argued with people about it. I actually talked with my peers and even my parents about what that movie was trying to portray and some agreed with KJo while others didn't but we all still rationally brought these issues into the light. Same goes for Dostana... this movie I actually found hilarious! I think director's job is to portray his or her own story and just create a movie for the audience to enjoy and that is what Dostana does. Maybe it wasn't logical, or real but it was HIS story and the slapstick humor was really good at parts and really rude at others.

2) I feel that at least all of his movies so far have been on different types of stories all together. KKHH (my favorite movie of his) was a cute romantic story that was very innocent at heart almost like how JTYJN is in today's time. K3G was a family movie talking about the relationship between family. KANK was talking about relationship between husband and wife and somethings things DO go wrong and finally I think MNIK is going to be different in that it is going to portray a different side of terrorism and how it effects people.

I have to say that I don't agree with parts of his stories but I do think that he is a good filmmaker because he tries new things and because he forces people to talk about certain taboo subjects in our country. He just does it in a commercial way and this way more people watch it and he makes more money so props to him!

Because I've already rebutted all of the said points in the 12 pages here, I won't repeat myself. All I'm going to say is that I don't have problem with filmmakers venturing outside the radius of rom-coms/dramas. I love experimental filmmakers, and I love filmmakers who shed some light onto mature/sensitive/controversial issues. However, when such sensitive issues fall in the hands of a pretentious and immature filmmakers, who's sole purpose is to squeeze emotion out of the audience through the art known as 'melodrama', thennnnnn I have an issue. I loved the concept of KANK, but the film was blantantly laughable (see my posts in this thread for further explanation).

Filmmakers such as Satyajit Rai, and films such as 'My Brother Nikhil', 'A Wednesday' etc etc, do a much better job at portraying the controversial or sensitive issues. How come no one talks about them? Oh right, because it doesn't have SRK showing off his 'sexy' abs and dancing with Poo.

Originally posted by: Decoder

Because KJo has money and clout. He took Archie, Betty, Veronica and turned into KKHH and everyone lapped it up..

Originally posted by: sapnon_ki_pari

Yah, I understand where you are coming from. But I think that India is not open for a 'Brokeback Mountain' just yet and Dostana was a fun way to pave the pathway for future directors to take the subject and portray in a more serious manner. I think they have made a funny not an insulting movie because I have a gay friend (not Indian) who found the movie hilarious. The movie used stereotypes to make it amusing but it did not question people's choice. When John and Abhi told Priyanka in the movie that they are gay, it was not looked down upon but rather accepted as part of it. Then when the mom was told about it, obviously she is not going to be okay with it right away but after a while she too accepted it. Yes they made Kiron Kher overact but it was to try and not make the movie preachy.

It is funny because when a movie gets serious about things like this, people say that it is too preachy. If they make it funny, then they claim that the movie is too offensive.

But after saying all that, I can see where people might find it offensive... I just think it was an honest try...

Well, that's your interpretation of the film, and I certainly don't agree with it. But it's good to have some disagreement in this thread, finally. 😛

K-Jo wanted to make a crude film on gays, fine, but then don't act like you're the Messiah for the homosexual community and that your film is path-breaking cinema.

Ok, for the sake of argument, I'll repost some of my thoughts on K-Jo's films:

With regards to K3G, I find it hard to believe that a young film-maker in the 21st century can peddle such regressiveness and is getting applauded for making such films. For me, K3G was an insufferable film with busy images that are utterly hollow. Designer clothing and expensive sets that fill the wide screen do nothing to lift the insipid movie. Almost everything about this movie felt so manufactured and fake. There is a complete lack of realism and people seem to cry at every available opportunity. The movie is just all gloss.... there is no substance or soul.

With regards to KANK, there's no motivation for characters to act the way they do, not to mention, their development is so paper thin. Plus, the last excruciating hour of KANK takes us on a tour of emotional convolution so bizarre and grotesque that one wonders if the film was originally meant to be a comedy.

Extra marital affairs or relationships are NOT built on flimsy grounds. It takes a lot of courage, pain, thought, guilt, yes, no, yes, no and finally when the partners give in (particularly when both are married) there is a lot of intensity, commitment to each other and hidden emotions which are so strong that you start to "feel" even if you are a listener/counselor/friend/confidante.. So just imagine how deep such a bond is, when it breaks the fetters of society. There is much more to extra-marital affairs than two strangers suddenly discussing their private lives and ending up getting intimate. The way it has been put up here, it comes across at a more sensual level, making it seem that the protagonists are only after physical satisfaction

K-Jo handled such sensitvity with such a casual attitude....since the basic rendering of the theme was so poor and disappointing, the characters did not depict any sensitivity/intensity/guilt/reason for an affair... no point in going into other cinematic content... it is a long awaited but disappointing finale..Study human relationships next time... before you venture into adult stuff.. K-Jo fails to narrate anything; story or moral wise.

With regards to Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, you know, as light and fluffy it maybe, at least there was cohesion in thought.

Re: The Chopras.

Well, this thread was about K-Jo, but now that we've brought the Chopra's into the equation, I might as well discuss it. They, like K-Jo, are talentless hacks. Their success lies in his being part of the band of beautiful people of Bollywood. His movies have succeeded because they provide the audiences of the Indian subcontinent and now of the diaspora, predictable story lines, comforting endings, rich pageantry of costumes, music, dances and a vivid color palette.

A Chopra is like fast food. You're being fed something with lots of flavor, but really is utter crap Craptastic crap. After you eat the crap, you feel horrible and you swear you'll never put yourself through it again. But then The Chopras comes out with some new crap that looks super delicious in the commercials. Your mouth waters and you end up saying "I know it's crap...but damn it looks like delicious crap." and you take off to give it a try."

God I hated K3G so no matter how much I try I will not be able to defend it except for Kajol's character's comedy. The rest of it was SO cheesy, and melodramatic as well as unreal.

KANK- once again I hated the movie. But there were some aspects of it that I did find very real and they touched me. I loved the characters of Preity and Abhishek a lot. SRK and Rani's characters were so stupid because one day SRK is angry and as soon as he meets Rani he discovers that he can smile again-- bull shit. But here are a few ideas of the movie that I really liked:

1) Preity's character in the movie wasn't the standard sati savitri type. She worked and was passionate about her work and faught against the idea that if a man works late night its, fine but if a women works then she is neglecting her child. She realized at the right time that her son was just as important and she didn't shy away from learning from her mistakes and then finding a balance instead of sacrificing one or the other.

2) Abhishek-- he was shown as a male chauvanistic pig but he truly loved his wife and he totally reminded me of someone I used to know. He was a gentleman at heart and it just went to show that don't judge a book by a cover

I really disliked the part where at the end, Preity and Abhishek forgive SRK and Rani because I felt that they don't deserve that.

I just think KJo movies (NOT ALL) but some have at least a few good/debatable/bold topics.

I love how I am arguing on a very thin line because I know KJo movies are so stupid at times but I feel like arguing from the other point. I also think that he deserves all the attention he gets because he works hard and I feel that is all that matters at the end of the day.