History of JaiMal and Patta : HEROes of the 3rd Siege of Chittor - Page 9

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Posted: 10 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: kaku17


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Kaana I hv read somewhere that it was shakti singh who informs US about akbar's impending attack on chittor. ..n when akbar comes to know he was very angry with shakti singh as by that time he was in akbar's camp...here they showed amar singh n rawat ji giving news to US... 😕 ...US was a terrible father Imo...here in ghe serial they hv shown him to be very fond of mp n he being his fav son though i hv read somewhere that mp was brought up by his maternal grandfather akhey raj songara. ..jb Was so scared of mp getting assassinated (due to palace politics) n there4 mp's early life was with his maternal grandfather. ...US loved only bhatiyani or rather was totally enamoured by her...n there4 she does find a mention in the historical records...rajput records rarely mention any females unless they did something imp...rani padmini and rajmata karnawati finds mention as they lead the jauhar n bhatiyani because she manipulated us in to declaring jagmal the king...


Thanks Kaku, didn't know about MP bring brought up at maternal's. but my understanding is per history also US loved MP a lot. And who cannot love him given his noble qualities??? Bhatiyani wanted him rid off for her son's sake. And yet MP loved her and also didn't object to his father crowning Jagmaal, he just walked out of the palace. As MP's mother, who had a role in his making, I really wish history had covered her more.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Mp loved n respected all his mothers...he wasn't as clueless to bhatiyani's intentions as shown in the serial. ..he respected his father's decision to name jagmal as the new king...it had nothing to do with bhatiyani. ...he wanted to go for us funeral. ...but as per the ritual the throne cannot be left vacant. ...the council did not agree with us decision n there4 during the crowning ceremony jagmal was asked to step down or rather moved away forcefully n pratap was requested to ascend the throne. ...there 4 pratap could not go for his father's funeral. ...I don't know what they wl show here..

I don't discount the fact that us loved mp...but he loved bhatiyani more than anyone. ...n I believe love n trust both go hand in hand. ..n if he loved mp unconditionally no amount of manipulation could hv made him not declare mp as his successor. ...

when the serial started they showed us neglecting all his wives for dheer bai bhatiyani. ...n imo thts wat exactly happened n how it should have been. ...

given the amount of NR I won't be surprised if they declare bhatiyani to be rajmata which again never happened. ..it was alws jb who had the title of "maharani" n then "rajmata"...anyways I take cvs presentation of history with a pinch of salt...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: history_geek


Thanks Abhay, for ansing my questions.

Is Shakti singh died in this serial.is real history, shakti singh, helped MP, when MP was living forest.
or maybee some war,


Abhay, Rani padmini was realted to Chittor. Is Rani Padmni+M P family were realtives. Means, their past generation was connected with realtion wise.eachother


Edited by ayushimehra - 10 years ago

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Abhay

If you remember, I mentioned to you that around the time insects were attacking AGra in the other show, monkeys were attacking Agra in MP. At that time, Akbar had captured Sant Tulsidas and the latter recited the Hanuman Chalisa for his protection. And then, the monkeys descended on Agra. I didn't watch that track much as I could not bear Salim Begum in it.

If you want to watch the Sant Tulsidas episodes, you can watch Feb 25 and Feb 26, 2015 episodes. These are the main ones, though, there will be other episodes around the same time which also showed Sant Tulsidas. 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaku17


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Kaana I hv read somewhere that it was shakti singh who informs US about akbar's impending attack on chittor. ..n when akbar comes to know he was very angry with shakti singh as by that time he was in akbar's camp...here they showed amar singh n rawat ji giving news to US... 😕 ...US was a terrible father Imo...here in ghe serial they hv shown him to be very fond of mp n he being his fav son though i hv read somewhere that mp was brought up by his maternal grandfather akhey raj songara. ..jb Was so scared of mp getting assassinated (due to palace politics) n there4 mp's early life was with his maternal grandfather. ...US loved only bhatiyani or rather was totally enamoured by her...n there4 she does find a mention in the historical records...rajput records rarely mention any females unless they did something imp...rani padmini and rajmata karnawati finds mention as they lead the jauhar n bhatiyani because she manipulated us in to declaring jagmal the king...


Did Jayvantabai take sannyas, as shown in the serial? Was she there at the time of udai singh's death? n Udai Singh haila Jagmaal as the king? Was Ajebde n MP were separated in the begining?
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Posted: 10 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: geeta58


Did Jayvantabai take sannyas, as shown in the serial? Was she there at the time of udai singh's death? n Udai Singh haila Jagmaal as the king? Was Ajebde n MP were separated in the begining?


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I am not really sure. ..Some say that jb did go to vrindavan as she was a krishna devotee but mp n ajabde got her back...n mostly she was thr at the time of us death...us declared jagmal to be his successor on his death bed...history doesn't say mp n ajabde was seperated...In fact amar singh was born with in 1-1.5 yrs of their wedding. ..mp became a father when he was 19...cv s got the math wrong is all I can say...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaku17


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I am not really sure. ..Some say that jb did go to vrindavan as she was a krishna devotee but mp n ajabde got her back...n mostly she was thr at the time of us death...us declared jagmal to be his successor on his death bed...history doesn't say mp n ajabde was seperated...In fact amar singh was born with in 1-1.5 yrs of their wedding. ..mp became a father when he was 19...cv s got the math wrong is all I can say...


Kaku, tell me this. I know US was list in DB's beauty that she was above a noble don like Pratap. But Was US this dumb to be lured by wife's beauty that he promised the kingdom to Jagmal or was he tricked into by her, say through some vachan etc. ? Because given the threat and Jagmal'z incompetency how could he have accepted if he had any sense? Abhay had clarified that Jagmal portrayal is close to history - so I assume he was incompetent as shown.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Kaana, Kaku, and all who aer discussing about Jagmaal , DheerBai Bhatiyani, and how Maharana Pratap came to the throne. Interesting discussion going on..

This info may be really helpful. :))
Link :: How-maharana-pratap-ascended-throne

Jagmaal was not competent to come to the throne, but that does not mean he was good for nothing. Actually, Royal Princes are trained in warfare, same was the case here. Jagmaal was never as good as Maharana Pratap, but nonetheless was trained. It is not possible to generalize him as incompetent. :)

The show is portraying him in excessive wrong manner. Infact, they have made a mockery of him, by showing all that senseless stuff like dressing as a woman and all. It is another natkiya rupanter, i must say.

We also discussed it on this thread. Here is an old thread on MP Forum..
Have a look..Link : 443 years of Crowning of Maharana Pratap - Historical Information

Just like Salim is called drunkard by majority, that can not discount the fact that in his youth he was a good fighter with sufficient battle prowess.. What i want to say is that, overall, these people may not be as competent, but still they had sufficient prowess. :)


Ayushi,
Yes the tale of Rani Padmini of Chittor is widely spoken even today in Rajasthan. She is SAID to be the wife of Rawal Ratan Singh, who did Jauher during the FIRST Siege of Chittor in 1300's. You can read the short story in brief on the blog. It was discussed by Radhika and me. Link-1 Link-2
Even on Page-1 of this thread, i mentioned Gora and Badal. They are same legends like Jaimal and Patta..

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Posted: 10 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: history_geek


Kaana, Kaku, and all who aer discussing about Jagmaal , DheerBai Bhatiyani, and how Maharana Pratap came to the throne. Interesting discussion going on..

This info may be really helpful. :))
Link :: How-maharana-pratap-ascended-throne

Jagmaal was not competent to come to the throne, but that does not mean he was good for nothing. Actually, Royal Princes are trained in warfare, same was the case here. Jagmaal was never as good as Maharana Pratap, but nonetheless was trained. It is not possible to generalize him as incompetent. :)

The show is portraying him in excessive wrong manner. Infact, they have made a mockery of him, by showing all that senseless stuff like dressing as a woman and all. It is another natkiya rupanter, i must say.

We also discussed it on this thread. Here is an old thread on MP Forum..
Have a look..Link : 443 years of Crowning of Maharana Pratap - Historical Information

Just like Salim is called drunkard by majority, that can not discount the fact that in his youth he was a good fighter with sufficient battle prowess.. What i want to say is that, overall, these people may not be as competent, but still they had sufficient prowess. :)


Ayushi,
Yes the tale of Rani Padmini of Chittor is widely spoken even today in Rajasthan. She is SAID to be the wife of Rawal Ratan Singh, who did Jauher during the FIRST Siege of Chittor in 1300's. You can read the short story in brief on the blog. It was discussed by Radhika and me. Link-1 Link-2
Even on Page-1 of this thread, i mentioned Gora and Badal. They are same legends like Jaimal and Patta..



Thanks Abhay i will read
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Posted: 10 years ago
#90

Hi all,

If possible do check my latest post..

I was discussing the GREATness of different kings with Kaana.
And then trying to find out what was the meaning of BEING GREAT ???

This is not a history post in strict sense, but more about DEBATE and thoughts..
I tried to think and think a lot, and then wrote this post..
Do have a look, @all...

Here is the Forum Post Link : What is the BASIS of GREATness ?

Also posted on Blog : Click Here to Read


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