History of JaiMal and Patta : HEROes of the 3rd Siege of Chittor - Page 11

Originally posted by: 123pritha

read the new additions

great information

seriously cv's need to do their reseach more comphrensively

we are all looking foward to Patta and Jaimal role in war against Mughals

A tribute to their bravery

Yet cv's have not even shown Patta till know when though royal Rajput family has left Chittor😡

Right Pritha.!

Patta deserves to be shown for the full part of siege.!
And not only he, the other generals in other forts also deserve mention.

Like the son of Jaimal who perished at Kumbhalgarh Fort.
And many other people.

Hope CV's do justice to them.!

Originally posted by: Kaana

Yes, missing Patta badly. I will never forgive the CVs if they give him only one episode just jumping from the sky on the D day and sacrificing his life. I would like to see everybody but if what Abhay had posted on this track.

Worse fear is what if they have forgotten and written off Patta itself??? :-(

Kaana,

Patta was shown in the promo which was released a month back.
I don't know why he is not present here NOW.
See this...Shared by Zari.

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYIVpjx2T-k&feature=youtu.be[/YOUTUBE]

Patta is back finally.

And another thing, in recent episode, they have shown Akbar employing a strategy of making archways using animal skins, to proceed towards Chittor Fort.

This part is very much true and taken from Akbarnama, where it is mentioned as a strategy which sealed the fate of Akbar's enemy. This was an idea of Raja TodarMal in reality.

Will write more in next Chittor series post, when possible.!

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Patta is back finally.

And another thing, in recent episode, they have shown Akbar employing a strategy of making archways using animal skins, to proceed towards Chittor Fort.

This part is very much true and taken from Akbarnama, where it is mentioned as a strategy which sealed the fate of Akbar's enemy. This was an idea of Raja TodarMal in reality.

Will write more in next Chittor series post, when possible.!

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Thanks Abhay.
I have only one question now, rather make it two:-)
- when did Pratap move out of Chittor? And why- Kumbalgarh attack?
- when Akbar was building all these structures what were Chittor folks doing? Sitting and watching as they show in the show now - I suppose not. If they believed that Chittor will never fall still, it has before. What was their counter strategy? The full siege can be a justification or still something could have been done or was done?

And I hate the way they are showing Pratap now- waiting forever. Any info on the strategy from his end will give peace to this poor soul. Was it such a helpless state?

Yes Akbar the brave came under the pretext of hunting and left these people less time, still... am lost. Can you throw some light on the scenario and if /if not Chittor had counter strategies or what was the issue?

Please take care of your health and respond only when you can please. Please do NOT strain yourself buddy.

Originally posted by: Kaana

Thanks Abhay.
I have only one question now, rather make it two:-)
- when did Pratap move out of Chittor? And why- Kumbalgarh attack?
- when Akbar was building all these structures what were Chittor folks doing? Sitting and watching as they show in the show now - I suppose not. If they believed that Chittor will never fall still, it has before. What was their counter strategy? The full siege can be a justification or still something could have been done or was done?

Kaana,
About your present question..

1. Not known to me, when did Pratap left the Fort of Chittor exactly. Rana Udai Singh left it, we know before the siege as they have shown.

2. Kumbhalgarh was a very important fort strategically. So they attacked it. Also, it was a part of strategy to launch simultaneous attacks on Mewar at different locations. Mughals had not dearth of money power and man power.

3. You are right. I am also mad with the CV's for projecting this non sense about Chittor defenders. They defended themselves valiantly and Akbar's forces also fought back with great force and were launching attacks day and night with their muskets and canons on the fort. On the other hand, Chittor forces also had canons, muskets, and big heavy rocky stone boulders which they used for attack on the enemy. It was such a ferocious combat. But in the show, they are showing everything moving at snail's pace.!!

To sum up, i would say, Chittor Folks did everything which they could do to save themselves. It was not easy to hold on to Akbar for so long. Daily fights took place and daily hundreds of people were killed. Chittor folks used to destroy the sabats of Akbar using their canons, arrows etc... and Akbar used to launch counter canon assault on Chittor defenders and directed the people to work more vigorously on construction of sabats.

Akbar employed more than 5000 people to work on sabats' construction alone.!!! You can imagine the scale of warfare..On Mughal side more than 5000 people were working on construction of sabats alone, his army excluded from this count..!! And on Rajput side, just 5000 (or 8000?) defenders were present in totality.!! Now, compare the man power which was heavily in Mughal favor. Defending a big fort like Chittor was not easy with just few 1000 soldiers.

They are showing Akbar's strategy beautifully, but not of Chittor.!!

I bet the next part of Chittor series is going to be like an action novel, where you will get all minute details of this war. It will be posted this weekend most probably.

Originally posted by: history_geek

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Kaana,
About your present question..

1. Not known to me, when did Pratap left the Fort of Chittor exactly. Rana Udai Singh left it, we know before the siege as they have shown.

2. Kumbhalgarh was a very important fort strategically. So they attacked it. Also, it was a part of strategy to launch simultaneous attacks on Mewar at different locations. Mughals had not dearth of money power and man power.

3. You are right. I am also mad with the CV's for projecting this non sense about Chittor defenders. They defended themselves valiantly and Akbar's forces also fought back with great force and were launching attacks day and night with their muskets and canons on the fort. On the other hand, Chittor forces also had canons, muskets, and big heavy rocky stone boulders which they used for attack on the enemy. It was such a ferocious combat. But in the show, they are showing everything moving at snail's pace.!!

To sum up, i would say, Chittor Folks did everything which they could do to save themselves. It was not easy to hold on to Akbar for so long. Daily fights took place and daily hundreds of people were killed. Chittor folks used to destroy the sabats of Akbar using their canons, arrows etc... and Akbar used to launch counter canon assault on Chittor defenders and directed the people to work more vigorously on construction of sabats.

Akbar employed <font color="#0000FF">more than 5000 people</font> to work on sabats' construction alone.!!! You can imagine the scale of warfare..On Mughal side more than 5000 people were working on construction of sabats alone, his army excluded from this count..!! And on Rajput side, just 5000 (or 8000?) defenders were present in totality.!! Now, compare the man power which was heavily in Mughal favor. Defending a big fort like Chittor was not easy with just few 1000 soldiers.

They are showing Akbar's strategy beautifully, but not of Chittor.!!

I bet the next part of Chittor series is going to be like an action novel, where you will get all minute details of this war. It will be posted this weekend most probably.

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Thanks so much Abhay.
Ok so for the moment I will keep guessing that Maharana left to defend Kumbalgarh.
And I could see the brave front put up by the Chittor folks.

And with just a few thousand to defend this massive fort compared to Akbar's manpower - an important point Abhay. to the extent 5k people for just construction work!!!!! - in such stark contrast. This shows how desperate Akbar was about this victory. And also how much he had to struggle to get it - such mammoth effort and operations.

And what with our own fellow Rajputs giving ideas and also waging war - all in the name of loyalty!!!!!

And what with our own fellow Rajputs giving ideas and also waging war - all in the name of loyalty!!!!! In the first place they could not unite together to throw a foreigner out of their holy mother land. Their ego was superior to their mother land. Secondly, their loyalty takes precedence to attacking fellow countrymen. It's like Karna siding with Duryodhana in the name if friendship compromising on dharma that should ideally take precedence.


Abhay,if not a hassle is it possible to know more about these Rajput kings - why they favoured Akbar and dedicated to him - was it also matter of convenience Or desperation to wear their crowns somehow? Not a soul out there considered helping Maharana when he was trying to throw the foreign powers out?

Originally posted by: Kaana

And I hate the way they are showing Pratap now- waiting forever. Any info on the strategy from his end will give peace to this poor soul. Was it such a helpless state?

Yes Akbar the brave came under the pretext of hunting and left these people less time, still... am lost. Can you throw some light on the scenario and if /if not Chittor had counter strategies or what was the issue?

Please take care of your health and respond only when you can please. Please do NOT strain yourself buddy.

I am better now, Kaana.
BTW, About your question here , i think you got the answer on previous page itself. :)
I explained in short about Chittor's resources.

Originally posted by: Kaana

Thanks so much Abhay.
Ok so for the moment I will keep guessing that Maharana left to defend Kumbalgarh.
And I could see the brave front put up by the Chittor folks.

And with just a few thousand to defend this massive fort compared to Akbar's manpower - an important point Abhay. to the extent 5k people for just construction work!!!!! - in such stark contrast. This shows how desperate Akbar was about this victory. And also how much he had to struggle to get it - such mammoth effort and operations.

And what with our own fellow Rajputs giving ideas and also waging war - all in the name of loyalty!!!!!

Kaana,

This is what my lament is all about. It was a very HARDly fought war. But, here nothing has happened till now. I am not sure, when Pratap will leave the fort and we will see the struggle of the remaining warriors.!

There was no concept of standing together infront of any enemy not only in Rajputs, but in almost all communities.! Mughals lost their empire in Central Asia, because the Timurid princes were fighting among themselves. Similarly, in India, we say Rajputs did not unite. Similarly in Southern India, we say the kingdoms after breakup of Vijaynagar Empire did not unite against Aurangzeb. And lastly, we say, we did not unite against British. But, If you see then, there was NO CONCEPT OF INDIA, hence such cases are present.

Coming back to Rajputs. Yes many other Hindu Chiefs were on Akbar's side. Like I said, Raja TodarMal was behing the game changing idea of making Sabats. Similarly, Raja Bhagwan Das of Amer was also present and he was giving all "deductions" to Akbar about the war strategy of Chittor as he was well versed in Rajputana mode of warfare. And yes, all this in the name of " loyalty to Akbar ".