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Posted: 8 years ago
@shruthiravi, you almost caught me. I would not say that I am an absolute Maya fan (but to avoid unnecessary questions of blindness and bias I can say so) I began to watch this show completely abstractly. With me there were all the characters. But the episode after the episode they left me, I lost them. And at some point there was only Maya left. I understand her
I not so much accept emotional harm more strongly, than physical, how much I like logic, the reasons and consequences. The consequence should not be responsible for what made the reason. But yes, emotional harm no one see, and people decide how much they hurt someone, based only on their own feelings, but it's wrong. For one person this word can be nothing and for another everything
When many see only VM's hand, I see the whole chain that led to this point, and there is a lot of VM participation
And from normal good sane people I will ask more, not because I like Maya or understand her
But because it's right. As if there are two children to one 7 to the second 10. If they made some mistake more will be asked from someone who is older. He carries more responsibility. He is more mature, should know more and understand. It is right
So it is here. Normal good sane people know more and understand more, should bear more responsibility than a person who has an unstable psyche and a terrible past
And I like to the bottom complex characters
Edited by Laska - 8 years ago
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25/05/17

Bang on!

"It's annoying me" Samay simply squashed this special friendship
Duffer as always "I was needed, only I can support her, she's only your" blah-blah-blah. " Words words words. And the actions go somehow their own unimaginable course
"Leave her, because she will not leave you" is true for both. Neither Dusky can leave Duffer. Nor Maya can kick out Duffer from her life
"When I close my eyes, I see only her" - I'm afraid to imagine who Duffer sees when he closes his eyes. But with a high degree of probability, Maya is very difficult to find there, almost impossible
"This is a battle between love and obsession." Samay is obsessed with Maya. Maya Duffer. Dusky Duffer. Duffer is obsessed only by himself, when he likes someone's obsession, he takes it with pleasure, when he gets fed up, he hates with equal, even superior, pleasure

And again, more recently, Duffer had seen a different special relationship, he didn't like them at all. Did he understand something? Nope. Again, only his comfort, his desires, his own selfishness. Become he a witness to such even comforting embraces Samay and Maya, don't think that he would have accepted, understood, or believed some words. However, I hope for this he will still have to pay very dearly in the future

"You made me like that. Because of you" - and it's true. Not so terrible is one terrible parent - an open enemy, how terrible, horrible and merciless the enemy is hiding behind the mask of love, protection and victim. Ashwin could be defeated. He could be defeated millions of times. Million ways. Escape, hide, even falsify your death. But what if all chances and options are taken away from you? No security, no liberation, no freedom. A dark room, in which there are no doors or windows, even the ventilation holes and those are closed. Darkness and fear affect vision and the brain. The breathing becomes faster, the heart knocks deafeningly, and no matter how you try to calm yourself, breathing becomes even more often, the heart knocks even louder. The brain is frantically looking for opportunities and chances, thoughts frantically knocking each other. You call for help, but no answer. In any critical situation, the first thing that comes to mind is mom. Anywhere on the planet, in any language

"What kind of mother are you? Why didn't you hear me?"

Flash back is beautiful

"You took my Ashwin, you're a murderer" - seriously? Even after his death, when he doesn't matter, she still chooses him
"You're mad" is the amazing logic of this person. No, Jhanvi, who allowed to beat a little girl who broke the life of a young child, she isn't mad
Maya catches her. She holds her hand.
"Never let go of the hand that always supports you in a difficult time"
"I'll tell your the truth. I'll tell the truth to Duffer. "- Jhanvi lets go of this hand
Jhanvi falls from the window and wants to shout after to her: "Who will catch you? Ashwin? Have a nice flight, Jhanvi!"

"This time you will have to become my mother"
A beautiful scene. Jhanvi in the bath. Looks for a damn button, but she doesn't get it
"A mother can give her life for her child, a mother can kill for her child, Dusky's father died and Duffer gave her so much love, you give your life for me, and I'll take your life for my child" - hell, and yet can't break this logic! It's a logical, frightening, but absolutely smooth logical chain - happiness and a new life didn't bring happiness, but death and grief brought a lot of support and attention elsewhere, which means that if the place is changed, then the same should happen. The ornate path
Only one small loophole, but it is. And this question should come.
The bath is filled with water. Jhanvi is scared
"I hate colors, they stop my breath" It seems like water is stuck in the lungs "
And Jhanvi goes under the water
Full bath of love
Love, in which the mother drowned her daughter
It is unlikely, of course, this bathing in love will wash out Jhanvi's brains. But let her be bathe in love as well

Well and still on questions. So Jhanvi called Maya, called Maya in the warehouse, to expose Maya in front of Maya?
This is nonsense at what level, I wonder?
At the same time, Jhanvi escaped from Duffer, whom wanted to tell everything and save him? How can the first part correlate with the second? Why did she run away then? She could tell Duffer at once at home - so dear Duffer, your wife like this like that. Could also call Dusky
Assuming that in the house she thought that the murderer was Duffer, she therefore escaped. Then in the warehouse, Jhanvi had to hide from Duffer, and until the last suspect Duffer
When Jhanvi saw Maya, Maya didn't say anything to her - how did Jhanvi realize that not Duffer is the murderer? Why did she decide that it was Maya?
Who scared Maya in the house? And who closed Maya in the bathroom? Maya was also scared by someone. Or did Maya, for the sake of believability, frighten herself by herself? Then why didn't she play the game - "Ashwin's ghost in the house"?
And how, in general, all this is associated with the fact that Jhanvi called Maya, told about the ghost of Ashwin, called urgently to come home. And when the frightened Maya came with Duffer, Jhanvi unexpectedly stated that she didn't call to Maya, didn't call to home, and there was no ghost. Who was showing who as mad at this moment?
How are these huge holes filled with this version of events?
Literally contradiction on the contradiction

And if Maya killed Ashwin, Jhanvi found out, then why did Maya call Dusky and Duffer to warehouse? Lies Dusky anything. Not call Duffer. Go to the warehouse alone, and calmly figured herself out with Jhanvi alone. Why this unjustified risk? Extra witnesses. Jhanvi could find both Dusky and Duffer. And Maya didn't know about the "suicide" note. It was Duffer's plan.
At first all were at 1 floor. Then Maya called everyone and said she heard voices upstairs. And the three of them ran upstairs. Why should Maya lead upstairs, if it's she?
But if Maya heard, she could hear what Jhanvi was saying. Therefore, the story looks smooth. But there are holes in it - Maya is crying in the bathroom and can't do it, but in the warehouse everything looks quite different

Who framed Duffer? And did someone frame? Where was Duffer in this day after all?
Why did Jhanvi not fear Maya? Why was she afraid of Duffer?
When Maya told about the murder of Ashwin, Jhanvi was surprised and crying. Why? After all, she had to know about all this

How are these huge holes filled with this version of events?
Literally contradiction on the contradiction

If Jhanvi doesn't remember? If Jhanvi has a partial amnesia? So she was afraid of Duffer three years ago. And after the leap. Therefore, her reactions are constantly changing. She doesn't know. Doesn't remember. Therefore, there is no reaction to Samay
Jhanvi will speak, but will tell what Maya told her. FB is what Maya says. Stories with holes
Sub Maya hai


26/05/17

Bang on. Big Bang. Maya and Dusky literally blew up an episode

Maya can't do it herself. Therefore leaves all to time
Terrific!
"Why didn't you hear me?" What did you expect?" Time!
"You have closed your ears and eyes"
"I can't see how your eyes are closing"
Maya is unconscious. Everything will make time. Time, time and only time
She doesn't see. Doesn't hear. She is unconscious. The water is flowing. Time is inexorably conducting its own account
So figuratively. How symbolically and figuratively the past is transformed in the present

"I will hear every call of my child" And you heard the first call of your child Maya baby? No! Bad girl. Very very bad girl! Don't dare do such things again!!!

Always was interesting this story with a will. Jhanvi said that her grandfather wrote the will to Maya. It seemed strange that Jhanvi's father lost his daughter, and he himself put Maya in this stalemate, in this hell. After all, Grandpa could just take away Maya or do something else. Why such cruelty? Let Ashwin not have the opportunity to kill Maya, but Maya will still be completely under Ashwin's power. Could Grandfather himself have given Ashwin his granddaughter? Did Jhanvi do it herself? She asked her father. Or she wrote everything to Maya herself. Until the age of majority Ashvin will not kill Maya. Jhanvi can protect herself from the deception of Ashwin so that he doesn't steal all money. And while Ashwin will always be tied to Jhanvi, because he needs money. Could Jhanvi do it herself cynically deliberately to make her daughter her protection and the victim of Ashwin? And Ashwin could learn about this on Maya's 9th birthday

Duffer returns home.
Welcome home. Welcome to sweet home, Duffer
He looking for Maya in the bedroom, seriously? After this beautiful scandal, smashed to the smithereens of the table, pouring again another portion of aggression, he thinks Maya is sleeping in bed with the baby's sleep? Kill him somebody with a cast-iron frying pan!

Maya is unconscious. Jhanvi in the bathroom. Duffer again saves everyone. With such a savior, no murderer will be needed, dammit

"You want to be cured? Let's start today"
Bound, from the bridge. Not able to swim. Swim out as you manage. How will you can
Well, Maya swam out. How she manage. How she could. Alone. As always

"Protect her from stress." That's right a few hours ago, the doctor, he very diligently kept his pregnant wife from stress
Particularly noteworthy is his unruffled face after all this. He returned as if nothing had happened, as always
"Then why did you come back?" Follow the duty of friendship." The child isn't to blame for the fact that his father does not know where the duty of friendship ends and the duty of love begins

Just for clarification. Maya fainted. He found out that Maya was pregnant. He promised to help. He said that he will show Maya his love for the child. Has helped. From stress saved. Love for the child showed. Deafening applause please

"I know my destination" - Where? When? How? What? Who? When did this great discovery take place in his head? And how much does this point his destination in his head linger? Until tomorrow? And then here Dusky's Duffer all "today!" didn't hold out. He come back, but as whom are you such a handsome uncle to us have glanced? A husband, a brother, a brother-in-law, a friend, a passer-by, a classmate, an employee, and can we, oh my god, the headwaiter?
"You will not understand" - and who will understand? Who? The extrasensory and he will be lost in this head for ever, without a chance of salvation

Just wondering, and the child will need to ask "Dad, are you today dad or you have a different role?" The child will also have to consult Duffer's schedule in order to find out when his father will deign to play his father, and not in someone else?

Technically, Duffer saved Jhanvi. But only technically. The hands were Duffer. But Samay saved Jhanvi. This is Samay, who was expelled by Maya, who still didn't believe in the photo, from the house, came to the roof. Samay dispersed the next super-modern embrace of a special friendship. After that, Duffer had to go home. And if Samay didn't come to the roof then...

"I wasn't a good husband, a good son, a good friend. But now I have to do something" And he leaves
Always said that Maya can't control Duffer. Never. Nothing ever worked with Duffer. As well as now. When she accept that? "If you can't control then destroy it!"

Today Dusky could be seen somewhere in the distance. She blames herself for the death of her father. The first point is the nearest request of Suman to call an electrician
But the most beautiful thing about all this was different. Dusky sees the chain. Not the whole chain, but at least part of that chain
From a fatal event, she turns the time back and sees herself at every point. Herself as a random event, the outcome of which can change the result
If she didn't go search the truth of Maya (this is a club and an office) That Ayan would not go, would not fall into the trap (here Dusky still doesn't see anything) VM would not have to go to Maya's home. They would not search for evidence, they didn't find it, she didn't send it, Prem didn't download, the light would not be turned off, Prem would not hit with an electric current. At each point, she could have an impact. At every point, she had the opportunity, the chance, her own likelihood. One change and the whole chain of events could have developed differently
To hell with intent, to hell with others and what they did. Opportunity, the chance was in her hands and she missed it. In this result, her contribution and she can't run away from this

And this situation is strikingly different from what happened on Holy. There Dusky also built a chain of events, but in the whole chain she saw only Maya. Not once did Dusky see herself and her actions in this chain. Has never seen her own mistakes. She didn't remember a restaurant. Neither holika. Neither lie. Neither this frivolous dance. No betrayal. Neither destroyed trust. Not words of Suman and Prem

If phase 1 is a day. Then phase 2 is evening, sunset, night, and dawn? Or phase 2 evening, sunset, night. At night, shadows play with vision, brain and imagination. At night, almost all isn't what it seems. The night is ruled by illusion. Phase 3 is the end of the night, dawn and a new day?
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Laska we are in phase 2, where darkness is almost ruling, except for the fact Dusky realized something. Dusky pointed fingers at herself. Arjun left Dusky's hand and Samay took Dusky's hand. So darkness will move towards light. But what it will cost we will have to wait and see.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---


Strongly disagree on your views about Vandana...why should Vandana show remorse ?

...for being right in her judgement about Maya?
Or for Maya having destroyed both her sons' lives?!??
Or for physically torturing her n scaring her after her heart attack???

Vandana has not filled Maya's life with poison...if anyone, it's mayas parents who have. ...vandana is another one of her victims who was helplessly watching while Arjun got entangled in her maayajaal...


Khushi.. People ridiculed Vandana for being superstitious and the same people believe Vandana's curses will come true. Both 'Superstitious beliefs' and 'Curses' are not supernatural???? I don't know how a single person has two different minds on a same point.

PS: I haven't read all the posts in this thread, I just read few and commenting here.
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Posted: 8 years ago
29/05/17

"Should I call Duffer?"
Again, this is another tirade about special relationships that not everyone can understand, but everyone should understand, because the gladiolus. And for such a special extra exclusive relationship, only Duffer and Dusky have the right
"Duffer doesn't love Maya?" "Duffer loves his Maya" - hell, what a strange love he loves. If this is love, then perhaps the world without love looks more preferable
"We are friends. There is nothing that Samay should not have heard "- hell, and why was there so much that Maya should not hear, Dusky? You called yourself her friend too

"Maya has released me" - I see a sigh of relief from Samya and Dusky. Hands uncoupled. Samay departs

"When Maya held my hand, I suffocated. When Maya left my hand, I realized why I needed breath if there was no Maya in it"
Samay's face - "What the hell?! How much can you?" Total disappointment. Yes, Samay this limit isn't so easy to overcome. Duffer spoils life for all. This is literally his vocation
"Perhaps love demands this price .For the sake of our unborn child" is another sacred sacrifice from Duffer. Sigh
"I will not forgive" - that's just interesting. Duffer somehow forgave Dusky (frankly in an unimaginable way) that she killed his child. And Dusky will not forgive Duffer. Well, these two of their extra exclusive relationship tear once and for all 5 times in one hour

Jhanvi only remembers bathing in the bathroom. Maya comes to her room late at night, and again the picture somehow turns over reflected in the past. Jhanvi is scared. In head solid questions, will not move. A scene in the hospital. Scene in the house. The door opens and a monster comes into the child's room. Shout? And who will hear? He takes a pillow. Fear paralyzes the body. Call for help? And who will believe? He just straightened the pillow. You know the truth. But you can't say anything. Welcome, Jhanvi, make your acquaintance and feel at home
Although it is highly doubtful that you will understand something

Blood-red portrait. How long was waiting. And the devil take another swindle
A red color in which can find a lot. Color of love. The color of blood. Color of anger. Color of pain. The color of fire. Color of the sunrise. And the color of the sunset too. Awesome color really. In no other color does it fit so many different and contradictory things and feelings, as in the red
And here is the color of pain. And the color of war. An amazing picture really. Object of the war is Dusky. The pain is Maya. And it's all on Duffer. Portrait of a man who doesn't see war. Portrait of a man who doesn't see the pain of the one who supposedly loves
Maya, don't take the portrait away. It will be useful to us, hope. Only you need to finally change the object of war. Move this damn focus!

Street and Duffer give vent to his next disappointment. Whine this is his favorite pastime
And VM in the picture. How without her?
It all boils down to the fact that Duffer let go of the hand that always supported him in a difficult moment. This same hand killed Duffer's first child, and VM's first grandson - it was apparently an act of special support, who cares, yes? This child did not need to VM, the mother is not need to VM, yes

30/05/17

"Maya wants everything to be as she wants, and you go straight on that path" And that's not what the VM does, is it?
"Maya will be mother"
And then not to VM should be stopping after all the terrible words. After all, as always horrible things thoughtlessly talked. Not knowing anything
But VM isn't mistaken. And so she will continue. She will say more terrible things, and curse 63 times at the same time
How much poison in this woman. And nothing is visible in her except poison. She loves this son. For the sake of this son, she put her honor under doubt, for the sake of this son she married without love, she waited 15 years for the love of this son. No, don't believe. She didn't make the slightest attempt to accept this son's wife. Neither put a drop of efforts to save the family. This son she curses again and again. Only because the son didn't become her puppet

Dusky can't wear her father's shoes. Why Prem was without sneakers? And Dusky realizes that Prem didn't die by accident. Dusky connect the mosaic. And again everything repeats itself. "Maya, Maya, Maya..."
Dusky is going mad. It happens, if you are completely fixated on one person
And Dusky doesn't want to win. Dusky wants to run away. Close all the windows and doors, don't even let in the light. Don't let anyone out of the house. To save who's left
And now, Dusky, imagine a person who has never had anything. Nothing at all. Imagine a person who knows only fear. Constant, burning fear, which become a second skin and penetrated into every cell of the body. Fear that drives everything out of the heart except fear. And imagine how this person will protect the only thing that has appeared in her life...

One call and Maya leaves all plans. But this portrait will return...

Duffer returned home. An exemplary husband and future father. He knows his destination. And in his head Dusky. This is a hopeless case. Immediately said that in this struggle victory is only in defeat
While holding, he suffocates
Don't hold. Open the door. Go away. He is coming back
It's a vicious circle
He can't be kept, he can't be let go. He can only be kick out once and for all. Finally, take your own decision! And don't sit and wait for his decision on the roof alone. He can only be sent to hell!
For the sake of the child, he brought a sacred sacrifice. Yes. If earlier he had shifted all responsibility for his choice to Maya. And Maya finally sent him himself to make his own choice. Duffer again found a loophole. Duffer again found the one who is responsible for his choice, the drum roll, is a child! Well, Maya, of course too, because at this stage the baby and Maya aren't separable

This show isn't about obsession. Not about limits. This show is about one monkey, who can't decide whether to smart side, or to beautiful side

And finally. No, can understand that Dusky decided that Prem death was murder. But none of them knows that there is a police? Crime scene, evidence, fingerprints? They all decided that it was Maya. Although Maya was in the hospital and could be there unless teleporting or Maya has the ability to astral projection. And everyone screams "You'll send Maya to prison." No, I'll send Maya to jail" that's just a curious question, how? Based on what? Sick of imagination?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: priyankazzz


Khushi.. People ridiculed Vandana for being superstitious and the same people believe Vandana's curses will come true. Both 'Superstitious beliefs' and 'Curses' are not supernatural???? I don't know how a single person has two different minds on a same point.

PS: I haven't read all the posts in this thread, I just read few and commenting here.


Exactly, Priyanka...despite having been proven totally right for all her fears & her superstitions(though I condemn CVS for regressive thoughts here) , she continues to be bashed...

She has always been as much of a mother to Arjun, as it's possible...yet, despite no hints or otherwise by the CVS, Vandana continues to be bashed for being a step mother to Arjun...this thought process in a way belittles the efforts of every foster mother in this world...I have seen real people loving 2 children equally, one adopted n one biological...

It was the mother in Vandana who saw thru Maya from the beginning...her gut instincts too...she saw what none else could...she was right throughout, yet she continues to be wrong for many...her past was doubted that she probably killed Arjun's father n his biological mother, for no rhyme or reason...now, when it's evident that nothing of that sort is going to happen in the story, Vandana is targeted for every single dialogue of hers...every single action of hers...she has human flaws, but that's it...we all do, don't we?...is that a crime?

She is supposed to quietly succumb to Maya baby's tortures n dramas...else, she is bad...😆

But yet, this drastically opposite viewpoint is intriguing indeed...what makes people see the non-existent??...it proves that everything in this world is indeed perception only...we often see what we want to see or what we believe in...not the reality...
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Laska what is the perception. I am loving the perception. Perception becomes more clear. The war lingers😆
But I loved dusky. Her fear. She feels the fear. Fear in true sense and she knows the source of fear also. Though maya, she tells it is because of her maya came to their house. Because she wanted to win. I very much loved that part.

Now we have to see how this fear is channelized, managed by people who love Saanjh especially Suman. The mother. It makes all the difference in a make or break situation.

Coming to duffer I never understood why he is troubled by Samay hugging Saanjh, then what would Maya have felt when he hugged Saanjh.
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@Laska one more question. Samay ne Samay ko palat diya. So where has the time taken us. Maya's 9th birthday happened 15 years back, Arjun's mother also died 15 year back, it is that right at the time of Arya marriage.
So duffer is younger to Maya by 3 years, as they say Maya was 9 years and duffer says his mother passed away when he was 6.
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Originally posted by: ---Khushi---


Exactly, Priyanka...despite having been proven totally right for all her fears & her superstitions(though I condemn CVS for regressive thoughts here) , she continues to be bashed...

She has always been as much of a mother to Arjun, as it's possible...yet, despite no hints or otherwise by the CVS, Vandana continues to be bashed for being a step mother to Arjun...this thought process in a way belittles the efforts of every foster mother in this world...I have seen real people loving 2 children equally, one adopted n one biological...

It was the mother in Vandana who saw thru Maya from the beginning...her gut instincts too...she saw what none else could...she was right throughout, yet she continues to be wrong for many...her past was doubted that she probably killed Arjun's father n his biological mother, for no rhyme or reason...now, when it's evident that nothing of that sort is going to happen in the story, Vandana is targeted for every single dialogue of hers...every single action of hers...she has human flaws, but that's it...we all do, don't we?...is that a crime?

She is supposed to quietly succumb to Maya baby's tortures n dramas...else, she is bad...😆

But yet, this drastically opposite viewpoint is intriguing indeed...what makes people see the non-existent??...it proves that everything in this world is indeed perception only...we often see what we want to see or what we believe in...not the reality...


I agree with u girls

For me the way she behaved with Maya was wrong but when it comes to Arjun no one can deny that she truly loves him and wants the best for him. She loves Arjun as much as she loves Ayaan and even more.
and as far as the step mom thing goes I feel people are unfair and way too judgmental. CVs have never shown anything that can remotely give an indication that Vandana was responsible for Arjun's mom's death.

Vandana as woman has made mistakes like any other normal human being ..She ill- treated Maya and did not give Maya a chance (Whether her giving her a chance would have proven right or wrong is hypothetical and she could very well had been right) and she was rude with Jhanvi too but at the end of the day she has made mistakes for which she has paid price as well. Ayaan went to jail , Arjun left her , Maya physically tortured her.

She might be not a good mom-in- law (although now it is hard to blame her) but she has always been a good mother at least she tries to in my opinion.

I find it ironic when few people judge and bash other characters like Ayaan, Saanjh, Vandana, Arjun etc, for their mistakes and want severe punishments for them even for their trivial mistakes..They are not able to empathize with them but they have so much empathy for Maya and always find a way to justify her...All should be judged on the same scale in my opinion.
Edited by anshvi - 8 years ago
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@shruthiravi, yes, Dusky says that her desire to defeat Maya, led Maya into her home. There was one more interesting point. Fear paralyzes the ability to think. And Dusky here clings immediately for the obvious answer - Maya, it's incredible in nature. Not in the sense that it's not right, can't be or whatever. But the answer is one and a half digger. In fear, Dusky sees only one danger and tries to save everyone and herself from it. She closes the doors, the windows. And locks her family in the same room with the murderer
As Maya in fear never saw Jhanvi. Only Ashwin

Coming to Duffer. I don't know how Maya baby keeps at least some kind of mind next to him. But he's driving me total completely mad. At first he calmly gives Dusky's hand to Samay. Now he remembers how Dusky cries in Samay's hands, and for some reason it bothers him. And if he is so worried about hugs Samay and Dusky, whom he doesn't love, how would he be worried by embracing with some kind of ecstasy-exclusive friend and Maya, whom he supposedly loves?

I don't wait the war. I need a change in the focus of the war at first😆 And only after that we can talk about a brutal, merciless, bloodthirsty war. First focus. Then the war😆 Who would have known what a disappointment it was to hear Saanj. Why the hell? Why this damn focus will not budge in any way? Maya with this Duffer crossed all my limits. I was truly sorry for Samay - he finally got what she let go. Victory. And then whiner Duffer again brings defeat to all😆 I think they all need to unite and fight with Duffer - he is their main enemy😆
This monkey, which doesn't let live anyone in whole jungle, totally gets on my nerves

Maya in the first phase 24. For 15 years before that was her 9th birthday. Then leap. Maya 27. Separate with Samay occurred 8 years ago. Maya was about 19. Here the logic is traced
In the case of Duffer, everything is much more complicated. As always
If Raksha died 15 years ago, then yes. But then Ayan should not be more than 14, he should be a peers of Shubh. Ayan looks older than his years. The logic isn't traced
Purely logically, Raksha could not possibly die 15 years ago. 18 years ago just could. Then Ayan in the first phase is just 17 years old. Duffer's father could have died 15 years ago
With this option, Maya and Duffer peers
And how old is Dusky? Dusky is younger than Duffer. How much? And older than Ayan. Again, how much?
In hindi-shows, everything is always bad with numbers, especially with those whom how much years😆😆

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