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@FleetingWishes Disagreeing is not a problem unless the discussion is cordial. Basically I am not a harsh or a rude person and it is proved in other forums. I had registered here much earlier but when I moved out of the town, i was inactive for about 5 to 6 years and I came back. I have made a lot of friends here. I am saying this because on this forum I find some of them are quite rude which forces me to give it back. After all it is a fictional character. I hope you are at least different from them though our opinions are different.
I agree. I believe in respectable, constructive discussions. Honestly speaking I don't support the whole you do it so I do it thing. It becomes a vicious cycle. If someone's rude--and you obviously hate it about a person--why would you do the same? I think the problem with beyhadh forum is that people should be discussing about vastly different topics but all the discussion that ever happens on this forum is somehow saanjh vs Maya. Every single topic on this forum somehow is a battleground where someone or the other is busy mocking, bashing, namecalling. If you don't like people doing it to your respective favorite character why do you do it to theirs? It's just like you're jumping into gutter so will I.😆 I believe in having healthy debates. Even though some arguments go above my head but I try never to use any derogatory terms because it's just plain wrong for me. I respect people who can conduct healthy debates with me. I find it energizing.😆Coming to the show, I agree and disagree with some of them. Agree that Maya needs medical help before reuniting with Arjun or moving on with someone else. That is what I am looking for. As for the psychopath, I would say that even the most normal person can become a psychopath.
The red part - Actually it isn't true. According to science psychopaths are born with a different brain wiring. They have a hyper reactive dopamine reward system. In fact in recent widely conducted researches it was further proved when doctors and scientists used PET and fMRI to catalogue the mental responses of a psychopath vs a normal person. Their dopamine levels are four times as that of a normal person when courting dangerous, lawless or even criminal works. They feel a thrill--a challenge--in this. You cannot become a psychopath. It has only happened in one known case where a man fell from his bike--injured his brain--and then showed psychopathic tendencies. The only other way is to become one when you're very young. from birth to under the age of 7. Because then your brain in the lieu of environment is shaped differently. If Maya is a psychopath medical attention cannot help neither correct her. Psychopaths never believe they're wrong under any circumstances. I think it's more that she shows psychopathic tendencies rather than being one. In most probability it was Ashwin who was the psychopath and Maya subconsciously emulates him. But I don't think the CVs use their brains much. So they might as well show her as a psychopath for all we know.😆Coming to Maya, Vandana's hatred began with her superstitious beliefs and had gone to the extent of believing Ashwin who is a tyrant. She is aware of what Ashwin had done to her. So being a nurse, she should not be surprised if Maya had stabbed his leg. Instead she should have looked upon her with empathy. The least thing she could have done was to talk to Jhanvi to know the other side of the story instead of jumping to conclusions. After the wedding, Maya had genuinely tried to fit the bill but Vandana didn't accept her because of the prejudice. She has conveniently overlooked at other good things. All that Maya needed is unconditional love which she didn't get.
Agree with the whole Vandana part. And thus my topic too. The CVs have glorified Vandana and her superstitions and in fact made her the right one. It's a sad sad thing tbh. Vandana elevated the problem with Maya and honestly post that paagalkhaana dialogue I have zero empathy for Vandana. The CVs ruined her character. And I can only call it lazy writing. Also Jhanvi is just as much responsible for Maya's problems as Ashwin. What kind of woman stays with such a man after the things he did to Maya? Jhanvis toxic need and love further ruined Maya. It's very hard to feel any sympathy for her either.As for Arjun, Maya had given him freedom but he has misused it. Arjun is also responsible for Maya's psychotic behavior. She can forgive or overlook small mistakes but what Arjun did was very serious. No wife would tolerate their man. getting intimate with his best female friend to the extent of ignoring her burns after saving his friend from getting burnt. Spiking comes later but even before that their behavior in holy has not been upto the mark. So I consider bhang consumption as a lame excuse.
Red - Maya doesn't have any right to give anyone freedom. Freedom is our birthright. But see this is the problem. She took away his freedom for herself to control and manipulate. This is wrong. I will again disagree. Arjun is an outside force. The most he can do is trigger her reactions but he can never be responsible for any of her behavior. Maya is responsible for all her actions. Arjun didn't get intimate with Saanjh in my opinion. Arjun is a shallow and selfish cardboard character. The CVs never developed him but the point is we overlook his side of story as easily. When he wanted to be with Maya he made a decision that she was the woman for him. Post that he supported her. He accepted her for whatever she decided to tell him. He saved her from Ashwin. But Maya didn't ever include him in her decisions or gave any thought to how Arjun might ever feel. Her love was always about her and not him. She never thought how her decisions would affect him. Only on how they benefited her. When she announced the wedding, she emotionally manipulated him into marrying her in a week. They had just gotten together. Marriage is a very serious, very big commitment. What did they even know about one another? What did Arjun know about Maya? But he braved the decision and decided to marry her. Then all of a sudden he comes to know his bff loves him, a man dies in his wedding, his mom's being a bitch to his wife, hes a suspect in crime, he's trying so hard to save his mother in law from jail (just for Maya), he's also trying to run a business. He left his house for Maya because he couldn't tolerate her being insulted. If he didn't care or respect her why would've he done that? He still had her money and her office. If he wanted a bigger house he could've easily moved them all--his family included--into a new big house. But he stood up for Maya. Again Maya put up rules over him without discussing them with him. Any man would crumble under so so much pressure ^^^ look at all the pressure he was in too. As a wife Maya never approached him or talked to him about these pressures. He didn't even plan for a pregnancy and all of a sudden he was going to be a father. Another huge pressure and he'd just cut off all ties with his family. He sought Saanjh because he felt easy with her. But isn't that natural? He had been in love with Maya for a few weeks only by now. They still didn't know much about one another but he thought that his wife was already under so much pressure. And on the other hand was his bestfriend whom he had known for all his life. Obviously he would feel more comfortable here. If only he and Maya had taken out time in their courtship and gotten to know one another. But did he cheat on Maya? No. He was just frustrated, and worn out and exhausted. And he was just happy that he could be a bit free with Saanjh. He never ever showed any kind of sexual advance or intention toward Saanjh. In fact when she said let's go to your mom he said he would never go somewhere where Maya isn't respected.
Obviously what he did wasn't correct. If he was having problems he should have discussed with his wife but we are talking ideal world situations here. Does this ever happen in any relationship that everything goes according to you? No. My parents have a great marriage but sometimes even they have their differences. What good will it do to any of them if my mother doesn't like something about my father and goes behind his back--without talking to him--and manipulates his life? Does he deserve it? Hell no!
Arjun has already chosen Maya over Saanjh a million times. He might've not even seen Maya's burnt hands. He should have but does he deserve such lack of trust and what she did to him for such a thing? No he doesn't. No man or woman does. Maya promised her God that she'd try to be a better person. But see again--it was only on her terms--she didn't for once try and talk to Arjun or understand him or be worried why is he feeling so exhausted. She should've sat and talked to him. That's what marriage is all about. Understanding, forgiving, compromising setting boundaries with your spouse. She should've come out in the open about her insecurities to Arjun and at least given him a chance to understand or explain his side. But what she did? She again played an emotional game where she kept on drinking champagne hurting them both. This is not how a marriage works. This also proves another point. If you're suffering from some kind of problems as Maya clearly is--she has a f**ked up past. She's been tortured, hurt, abused to the breaking point. Of course she needs help to come out of her issues--you cannot just get better because you make a promise. Mental illnesses and traumas don't work that way.
Their relationship was toxic from the start. The power dynamic was all tilted in Maya's favor. She didn't even tell Arjun the most important bits of her past that would shape both of their futures. He deserved to know. He would've been more understanding. But if he doesn't know how will he know how to react?
Also the bhaang consumption -- Maya spiked their drinks. She should've let them have simple bhaangs which are already enough to make you drunk right? But she spiked it additionally. See here's the thing. Let's say you're total besties with someone. All your life you both have stuck to one another like glue. You love this person so much, you respect and adore this person. They mean the world to you. Now your spouse comes in your life and he/she is new and you love them. Do you stop feeling the same easiness or love for the first person? No you don't. But you realize that now you're married so you put in some reservations and boundaries on a conscious level. Which means you're showing maturity and you're choosing to maintain a physical distance with this bestfriend because you love and respect your spouse. Arjun and Saanjh did the same. They were both maintaining a physically reserved distance from the day Arjun and Maya were married. Doesn't that say enough about him? That she had to spike his drink for him to lose his inhibition. When you're drunk, you lose all your inhibitions and reserves. You lose your consciousness. Which means now you're not minding your surroundings. Arjun and Saanjh obviously have always been very comfortable but Arjun has never loved Saanjh or shown any physical advance or interest toward her. If he was guilty he would never do such a thing in front of Maya. But Maya deliberately made him lose his inhibitions. Can you really say that he was making a physical advance toward Saanjh? No he wasn't. In his heart he loves and was faithful to Maya. Can you say that he should have not danced with Saanjh in such a way when you know that he would have never done such a thing in his consciousness? He would've maintained a distance for his wife and because he loves and respects her. But he was not in his consciousness. All inhibitions were gone. Maya did that because she wanted it to show exactly like that. He's at fault but not for cheating on his wife.For a person like Arjun, whoever he marries, he has to learn to respect others feelings and be sensitive towards them whether it is Saanjh or Maya or any other xyz. Whether the life partner is normal or not is a separate case but making a marriage toxic or not is in that person's hands. Arjun being a normal person has been taking people around him for granted. After getting the responsibility to manage F and C, he took wife and life for granted. He does not deserve any girl unless he grows up as a matured person. I have not seen him showing any empathy towards anyone except in one scene where he told Vandana that if he was in Maya's place he would have killed him for the torture.If he had saved her from Ashwin, anyone in that place would have done that at least on humanitarian grounds.
I think as much as I dislike Arjun, I think he was trying to make the best of situations. He's not very smart or intelligent so obviously he messed up too but did he deserve what he got in return? Also their whole marriage was always all about Maya. When she felt discomfort, Arjun moved out for her. When she didn't like something, she issued him ultimatums, I won't say she faked the pregnancy until we have solid proof but it looks that way from the Saanjh Maya flashback. But if she did, did Arjun deserve it? The pain of losing a child is the worst pain in this whole world. Did he deserve this pain if a child didn't exist in the first place? You see you and I can argue about who was at more fault. Let's say you're right and Arjun is the one more at fault but it proves the same thing right? They're both incompatible and toxic for one another. Since the day they've come together, their lives have only worsen internally. Maya was so much better without him and so was he. Which is why they need to separate, heal on their individual journeys and then come together if they're both ready enough. And on equal grounds and terms.
Kumkum Bhagya
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