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Posted: 11 years ago
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I want to say here only that when jagya was wrong and still when he is redeemed still he should not be happy because he was wrong in past. and still so his character faces so much hate still for 3rd marriage and blah blah. and when he was in jail, sanchi blackmailed jagya I read oh he is getting what he has planted, karma is bitch and so so even after he is redeemed he regretted for his past deeds, when he was crying and sad to see ansh eyelock in hospital, "go jagya go you deserve this thing"

has sanchi redeemed or even got any kinda noticeable punishment ever ?

though as a girl I am strictly against rape thing but I am not feeling sympathy 100% for her as I have seen Jagya as faced so much hate and still facing so much hate then why sanchi should not . at least I will not pamper her. anandi was ready to expose that sadhu in case of asha but now scared when this is happened to her own family? double std much? why I would feel pity for that girl who is wishing for baby s death and mother s death?


and if Ganga s rape is not accepted as rape than I feel very pity just because she is not sister of collector !!! legal rape and illegal rape? i am reading this first time here!!!!

am just giving my view.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: aparnauma

I have seen this rural vs urban debate coming up time and again.

I was brought up in a big city which is quite affluent with lot of avenues for good education and good career prospects too in my chosen field but somehow I ended up in a very small town in fact it was more like a village when i first came to the place where I currently reside.I personally did not have any problems identifying myself with them.If i spend less time with the people of the town it is more to do with lack of time and haven't managed to acquire the fluency in the local language even though I undersand it well.

The only difference that I have noted among people who live in more urbanised and affluent societies and the little less fortunate predominantly rural community is the no of avenues that are available in the cities as opposed to the villages/small towns.The life styles are more dictated by the avenues and resources that are available to them rather than their own mindsets.

Moral values hopes and aspirations are exactly the same whether it is a rural/urban community.

Well the chance of girls falling into bad company and straying are much less in a rural setting simply because the communities are small closed groups where everybody knows the other person.So people are more careful and it is easy to get caught as opposed to big cities where the sheer size of the population and the expanse of the city gives them more space and offers them freedom so the likilihood of youngsters going astray is much higher.It is nothing to do with where they were brought up it's more to do with cities giving them more space.

So I don't feel the makers are being partial to rural life style and showing it in better light.

Jagya was good while in village because of the chances of being caught were higher when he was at home.He went astray in Mumbai because there is no parental supervision and there is lot of freedom which he abused.

Sanchi also got into trouble because of her nature and she abused the freedom.

Village girls are not exposed to the outside world much but when Gauri was exposed to the world outside of her village she changed as she had a chance to explore.

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Anandi - I don't see why her clothes should be seen as a sign of rigidity and resiatnce to change.It can very well be seen as a sign of maintaining her individuality.More than clothes it is all about how she conducts herself. If Sanchi and she did not get along it is more to do with their outlook towards life.Sanchi is too frivolrous and Anandi way too serious.And it has got nothing to do with rural/urban divide.
I do feel that CVs have shown her adjusting to so called city life style in small and subtle ways.She has been shown learning how to make a cake and the other day making pasta for her son.They may be small but are significant.



@ bold, my experience is somewhat different. I got to live in both big cities and smaller towns due to my father's transferable job. In my time, urban girls were more focused to their studies and extra-curricular activities, whereas the girls in small towns have nothing much to do except to attend school and helping their mother at home. Love affairs of teenage girls were more common in small towns may be because after attaining a certain age, the girls knew that marriage is their only goal whereas in bigger cities, most girls thought about their career also. Even today there are a lot of cases of elopement from rural areas. In villages, there are more restrictions on girls, but in cities- parents (at least middle class parents) give more time/care to their children including girls and therefore, chances of their falling into bad company is lesser. So, I do not think they are showing reality regarding urban/rural girls.

I know that we cannot expect the serial to be very realistic - but I feel that their intention is to show that girls in villages good and city based girls bad. Your observation regarding Jagya is interesting. This applies to Gauri also - she was good when she was in village - became bad after going to a big city (actually after J reached there). 'Good' city girls like Payal have just minor roles in this serial - to show contrast and to help the lead.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Speaking strictly for myself

what is rape ?

Forced sex .

Was not it there in Ganga's case ?

It was .

If Saanchi experienced it once in a drugged state where she did not feel a thing in complete adulthood , Ganga experienced it everyday since she attained puberty and was a child bride with no anaesthesia to blot out the horror , the force of a beast and the horrific act that followed .

Does this belittle Saanchi's rape ?

No .

So ...why should legalities belittle Ganga's rape as a way of life and be dismissed as no rape at all ?

R we lawyers sitting with a fine toothcomb to do this wordy quibbling ?

No we r viewers . And we view what is shown . And the beast in a man is shown in Basant , Ratan Singh and Saurabh equally , so is the violation of a woman .

Violation of a woman , with or without anaesthesia is not hearing her NO

And Ganga screamed No each time for years .

For me as a viewer thats rape . Horror of a woman . No thread around the throat or man made ritual or legal quibbling makes it less or acceptable . Dunno about others who can segregate rape .

I see as a viewer what i see on TV . No one was there to tell Ganga to eat , go for counselling etc . Infact she had to pretend nothing happened and cook for others and see to it that they ate .

Saanchi went to the wild party with her own choice , yet there is an outrage when some say she invited it by saying no woman invites rape .

Ganga did not choose Ratan Singh , she was sold off . No choice was exercised there . Yet what she suffered is dismissed off as theres no such thing as marital rape by law .

Then there is tremendous outrage at the 'legal' rape of Saanchi .

Well , my reaction is Both were rapes and both men must be punished .

Shiv was right when he told Anandi that as a brother i could have considered about the badnaami aspect but as a responsible citizen i HAVE to report it . So true , that monster will go on to destroy other girls by recording them naked and holding it over their heads till some of them opt for suicide .

There is no favouritism on urban rural girls and rape , BV shows it in diferent forms . It simply shows rape as a part of woman's suffering . The indifference to Saanchi's rape apalled many although it stemmed from the fact that the girl would have herself used date rape drugs to get Jagya if she had known earlier , she had gone to all extents , trying to entice him with short dress , bribing pundit , knocking on his room door at night , trying to initiate physical intimacy when he was clearly not ready ...but i think the disgust in the viewers solidified when she hoped and hoped cruelly that a new born infant would die with its mother . Yet this indifference apalled many . Won't be surprised if this legal quibbling apalls many too .



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Who is belittling what happened to Ganga and Gehna????
People who mentioned those legal aspects of it in the context of punishment to rapists.
And for so many years people have been trying to bring amendments to that act so that abusive husbands could be brought to book.
Sad is the state of affairs that people are not even aware that wives who have been forced by their husbands cannot even seek legal help and it is not considered as rape.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nobody is belittling rape of Ganga . They r just putting forward sad legalities . Thats why i said i speak strictly for myself .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sad legalities- true they are sad because at least Sanchi can seek legal help but the likes of Gehna and Ganga and many others like them who get raped by their husbands every night there is no legal help available because law doesn't recognise it as offense.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very good post kools. This is what i wrote in another thread started by leaves. Why so much outrage
For sanchi so much in that process people who said they have no sympathy for Sanchi were rediculed as if they themselves raped her or trying to defend Saurab, when there was nothing on the forum for Ganga when raped as a kid. That included me too. The scene with Ratan repelled me. But even i did not yell rape on the forum. You can not just blame Basant for Gehna's rape. DS forced the rape.
Just like a brothel madam pushing the young helpless unwilling girl into the room with the client.
Marital rape is a confusing concept. On the one hand there is something like wifely duty and husband's
Duty. Looks
Ike now they ave defined what is rape and applying it .
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Suddenly we are following the western culture of free sex etc while the rest of the country ( 90 pct)
Of them are still conservative. In those countries laws work much better. They have enough police
Forces and judicial system to enforce laws to punish or even prevent. Once the gils gets raped,there is
Not any stigma against her. Culturally we are no where near the west in this matter.
It makes sense for girls to protect themselves and not expose themselves for the wolfs.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Since legal position was posted first by me, so clarifying my point.
When I said they did not show Ganga's rape - I was referring to Bala incident. Regarding marital rape it was about CVs/society's viewpoint - in society it is not considered rape and perhaps even creatives did not think it as rape because through Ganga's dialogues - they wanted to show it as cruelty of husband only. We as viewers certainly consider as rape because we know it should be treated as rape - legal position clearly posted by Aparna (I checked the latest amendment and the position remains the same - no rape if the bride is not less than 15 years old) shows that it would have been treated as rape because Ganga was less than 15 years old when she got married. Still the mental trauma would have been worse if Bala succeeded in his attempt, because girls are conditioned by society this way - rape by husband brings no shame but rape by some other man is like destroying her ijjat/honour - howsoever wrong it is- women accept these things in general.

I did not know that Ganga was sold - at that time her aunt said that they do not have to give any dowry - exchange of money (like at Gahna's time) was perhaps not shown.

I am clarifying because I have been personally attacked earlier. I do not have any favorite and I am not a fan of any actor. But I have been labelled as a hater of Shashank (even when I never mention actor's name in my posts) so I thought before I am labelled as hater of Sriti/Sargun, let people know why I posted about legal position.

Being a woman, I empathise the characters in such situation, even when the character is a person like Sanchi- worse than evil. I do not see her as a sister of DC or have sympathy with her as an urban woman. In fact as per creatives - urban woman bring it on themselves (by showing the way Sanchi was) and rural women are just victim - so many examples of innocent rural women in the serial, who were victim of circumstances forced upon them.
Edited by SPuja - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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True . The badnaami aspect is NOT there in the west . Infact theres utmost sympathy for the raped woman . She is sent to counselling and often goes to sanatorium to heal . It does not affect her prospect of finding a husband etc . But in India the raped woman suffers as its regarded as her fault . She gets no rishtas and is forever seen as 'that raped woman ' . Saanchi will suffer this and with her the Shekhars . I do hope CVs DON'T show her getting married to Saurabh with a pregnancy track coming up . I wish to see CVs handling this for once the correct way ...higher studies , marraige , whatever after this has to be HER choice .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 11 years ago

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