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Posted: 11 years ago

#51

Nope, I mean that Ganga suffered Rape according to the IPC since it mentions that "sex with a woman below sixteen is rape, even with her consent", and that marital rape is not rape if the wife is ABOVE fifteen. So yes, Ganga's rape was rape irrespective of the legality of her marriage.

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aparnauma

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Posted: 11 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: krystal_watz
Nope, I mean that Ganga suffered Rape according to the IPC since it mentions that "sex with a woman below sixteen is rape, even with her consent", and that marital rape is not rape if the wife is ABOVE fifteen. So yes, Ganga's rape was rape irrespective of the legality of her marriage.

That's what I have said - He would have been punished for both the offences if he was caught at that time.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#53

Oh okay. I see, you're correct.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Well unfortunately CVs have associated rural as good and Urban as bad.

The point is that whenever a mishap occured to village girls like Anandi, Phooli, Ganga, Gehna, Sugna, Asha - Cvs showed them as victims of situations, circumstances or other henious people around them. Their situations were so convincing that audience could easily identify them as victims.

But whenever a mishap occured to an urban girl it was associated to She-brought-it-upon-herself (Gauri, Saanchi, Ashima)

CVs highlighted education as strength for women in rural set up and gave examples like Anandi, Ganga, Asha etc; but the modern well-educated women like Gauri / saanchi / Ashima turned out to be emotional fools, charaterless or brats.

This is what is potryal of CVs - Bad to urban, but victimisation to Rural

Jagya was bad only when he was in Urban setting, and was redeemed when he returned to rural setting, so again rural being good.

However they haven't shown Gauri's redemption despite her education. Is education that futile that some one like gauri would choose an illegimate relationship over all odds and then burn herself with insecurity?

Even till date, Anandi does not change her dressing style to suit urban setting. Why? Is it because Cvs are telling us that a sanskari bahu should never try modern dressing? Are CVs telling us that only women in ghaghras are epitome of grace and wisdom, not others?

Will her grace or wisdom or kindness reduce if she starts wearing nice simple sarees or some modern outfits to suit the culture in Udaipur?

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aparnauma

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Posted: 11 years ago

#55

I have seen this rural vs urban debate coming up time and again.

I was brought up in a big city which is quite affluent with lot of avenues for good education and good career prospects too in my chosen field but somehow I ended up in a very small town in fact it was more like a village when i first came to the place where I currently reside.I personally did not have any problems identifying myself with them.If i spend less time with the people of the town it is more to do with lack of time and haven't managed to acquire the fluency in the local language even though I undersand it well.

The only difference that I have noted among people who live in more urbanised and affluent societies and the little less fortunate predominantly rural community is the no of avenues that are available in the cities as opposed to the villages/small towns.The life styles are more dictated by the avenues and resources that are available to them rather than their own mindsets.

Moral values hopes and aspirations are exactly the same whether it is a rural/urban community.

Well the chance of girls falling into bad company and straying are much less in a rural setting simply because the communities are small closed groups where everybody knows the other person.So people are more careful and it is easy to get caught as opposed to big cities where the sheer size of the population and the expanse of the city gives them more space and offers them freedom so the likilihood of youngsters going astray is much higher.It is nothing to do with where they were brought up it's more to do with cities giving them more space.

So I don't feel the makers are being partial to rural life style and showing it in better light.

Jagya was good while in village because of the chances of being caught were higher when he was at home.He went astray in Mumbai because there is no parental supervision and there is lot of freedom which he abused.

Sanchi also got into trouble because of her nature and she abused the freedom.

Village girls are not exposed to the outside world much but when Gauri was exposed to the world outside of her village she changed as she had a chance to explore.

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Anandi - I don't see why her clothes should be seen as a sign of rigidity and resiatnce to change.It can very well be seen as a sign of maintaining her individuality.More than clothes it is all about how she conducts herself. If Sanchi and she did not get along it is more to do with their outlook towards life.Sanchi is too frivolrous and Anandi way too serious.And it has got nothing to do with rural/urban divide.

I do feel that CVs have shown her adjusting to so called city life style in small and subtle ways.She has been shown learning how to make a cake and the other day making pasta for her son.They may be small but are significant.

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dolly

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Posted: 11 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
oh , i see .

kools earlier marital rape was not considered as rape but now i'd heard/read sum cases where its considered as rape & i think now law has changed in Indai & marital rape is considered as rape.

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Missesha

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Posted: 11 years ago

#57

Aparna, I completely agree with your views and the way you brought your perceptions.

Up until now, I also never had issues with the set-up whether urban or rural. I agree it is to do with the characteristics of a person and their behaviour which would make them progressive or regressive, rather than the city or village.

But what I have lately felt is that people who are leads or shown to be an inspiration seem to be confined to traditional values only and that's why they are good. Anandi (embodiment of values and culture) has moved to urban life-style for a while now, but for example CVs have never shown Shiv taking her to an elite party or a disco as many married couples would do or them going on a nice romantic date in a posh restaurant with Anandi in a stylish saree/suit etc.

But they have associated parties / posh restaurants to someone like Saanchi who is an extreme negative character and then showed how she landed up herself in a mess.

What I am trying to say is partying, discos, demanding for privacy, wearing western clothes or stylish clothes, having a mind of your own etc. is not necessarily bad. It is not wrong to impress your partner or seek their attention, but CVs have shown all the above in bad light. And then kind of told us that if you do the above, you will land in to problems.

On the other hand the rural girls never do the above, and hence they never invite problems. And if they have been in a problem then they are plain victims.

My POV as a viewer.

Edited by Missesha - 11 years ago

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tanvismile

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Posted: 11 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: Missesha
Aparna, I completely agree with your views and the way you brought your perceptions.

Up until now, I also never had issues with the set-up whether urban or rural. I agree it is to do with the characteristics of a person and their behaviour which would make them progressive or regressive, rather than the city or village.

But what I have lately felt is that people who are leads or shown to be an inspiration seem to be confined to traditional values only and that's why they are good. Anandi (embodiment of values and culture) has moved to urban life-style for a while now, but for example CVs have never shown Shiv taking her to an elite party or a disco as many married couples would do or them going on a nice romantic date in a posh restaurant with Anandi in a stylish saree/suit etc.

But they have associated parties / posh restaurants to someone like Saanchi who is an extreme negative character and then showed how she landed up herself in a mess.

What I am trying to say is partying, discos, demanding for privacy, wearing western clothes or stylish clothes, having a mind of your own etc. is not necessarily bad. It is not wrong to impress your partner or seek their attention, but CVs have shown all the above in bad light. And then kind of told us that if you do the above, you will land in to problems.

On the other hand the rural girls never do the above, and hence they never invite problems. And if they have been in a problem that they are plain victims.

My POV as a viewer.

This is something that i always noticed in bv as viewer.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#59

If we look at it that way, all the principal problems that the show has highlighted-- from child marriage to witch-hunt to naata pratha, are rural by definition. So there's a balance there. But I agree on the part about females---all the major urban female characters in focus have been depicted as heavily flawed as compared to their rural counterparts.

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tanvismile

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Posted: 11 years ago

#60

Originally posted by: Missesha
Well unfortunately CVs have associated rural as good and Urban as bad.

The point is that whenever a mishap occured to village girls like Anandi, Phooli, Ganga, Gehna, Sugna, Asha - Cvs showed them as victims of situations, circumstances or other henious people around them. Their situations were so convincing that audience could easily identify them as victims.

But whenever a mishap occured to an urban girl it was associated to She-brought-it-upon-herself (Gauri, Saanchi, Ashima)

CVs highlighted education as strength for women in rural set up and gave examples like Anandi, Ganga, Asha etc; but the modern well-educated women like Gauri / saanchi / Ashima turned out to be emotional fools, charaterless or brats.

This is what is potryal of CVs - Bad to urban, but victimisation to Rural

Jagya was bad only when he was in Urban setting, and was redeemed when he returned to rural setting, so again rural being good.

However they haven't shown Gauri's redemption despite her education. Is education that futile that some one like gauri would choose an illegimate relationship over all odds and then burn herself with insecurity?

Even till date, Anandi does not change her dressing style to suit urban setting. Why? Is it because Cvs are telling us that a sanskari bahu should never try modern dressing? Are CVs telling us that only women in ghaghras are epitome of grace and wisdom, not others?

Will her grace or wisdom or kindness reduce if she starts wearing nice simple sarees or some modern outfits to suit the culture in Udaipur?

I agree with on some of points above in bold .

In blue-i completely agree with you on what you said regarding sanchi,gauri,ashima ,the way they presented women is quite disapointing ,even a show like sanskaar ,they presented bhoomi beautifully,girl who stayed abroad,But by bv presentation bhoomi would have turned a character someone like sanchi.

Regarding anandi i dnt completely agree ,what i feel is her dress code has become like that as she has spent her entire life wearing that,she is so comfortable in it that she doesnt want to change herself.

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