Anandi's journey to Shiv ,DS, jagat and BV - Page 3

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Another thought-provoking post followed by thought-provoking bunch of reactions : When the most intelligent people on this forum are in a discussion, the reading pleasure, needless to say, is immense.
The reason why this discussion is on an intellectual-moral plane is because BV is truly a landmark serial that -- despite tending to go back and forth in its plot line and characterisations -- has pulled off so many brilliant firsts. The BV women may be loaded in jewellery but the presentaionl is faithful to the Rajastani backdrop. Am so happy BV women have not fallen victim to E-Kapoor's "one portrayal fits all" look. In evey EK serial, the women look the same, regardless of whether they are from Bengal, Mahrashtra or Punjab or Rajasthan. .
There is no pan-Indian look in this wonderfully multi-ethnic country, and yet every EK woman will wear the sindoor, the long, dangling mangalsutra, the kada and everything. This has tended to reinforce the stereotype of the married woman tied forever to her relationship, good or bad as it mght be. It is a double, triple bondage for the woman whose secondary place in the marriage is affirmed by every every possible symbol of matrimony while the husband is bound by nothing.
I was so depressed when my UP maid's daughter turned up looking like a EK heroine. There is no mangalsutra in UP. But it has been dinned into women that this ornament has to be worn after marriage. Why destroy the diversity of this country?
BV women thankfully don't wear the mangalsutra. I can't tell you what a relief it is not to see that aesthetically ugly piece of ornament hanging from the necks of BV women. As Suchi pointed out, Sumitra told Anandi not to wear the sindoor while she was married.
Look at other landmark events. Anandi going to her mother's funeral and lighting the pyre. The significance of this is enormous. It does not even happen in the urban areas and here Anandi, matter-of -factly, without theatrics, without it being drilled into our heads by the CVs through defeaning music, pulls it off. What a remarkable achievement. I think somewhere all this is impacting other serials too. And it ought to also impact the many, many rural women who are absorbing the message.
Which is why BV is -- and ought to be -- much more than a serial. Which is why BV CVs should not ever make even the slightest suggestion that the SINGHs can be regressive.Look at the transformation in Dadisa. Anandi remarries not because the hero compels her -- or because she has to save her family from economic ruin - but because the matriarch of her matrimonail family decides she must get a second chance. Bravo. And DS it is who accompanies A to the funeral ground. Bravo again.
Which is why I'm hoping against hope that they don't show DS changing. I have been very disturbed by the unshed tears I saw in her eyes after spotting J. Why DS, why? I'm not convinced by the explanation that J is her grandson and she is feeling emotional for him. Then why did she no betray the slightest emotion for J during the divorce? That was the point of no return, wasn't it? J cut such a lonely figure as he walked off without a word to his family. Why did she stop A from talking to him then? Why did DS not feel the urge to give him one last hug? Why did the CVs not show any conflict in the minds of DS and Sumi at that equally significant time?
And why did DS address J as JAGDISH SINGH when he came to Bilaria? All outward indications then were that J had come to pay his last respects to Bhago. DS was not aware of the BIbhut mission. Why did she not feel any emotion seeing him beaten to pulp by Khajan?
I'm feeling uncomfortable abt DS's current behaviour. Forget the TRPs, forget the drama effect, forget the fact that Ansh are ultimately meant to be together, what does this suggest? I ferverntly hope that -- as Suchi says -- DS is simply going to help J redeem himself. I hope that she will not gradually start regretting her decision to remarry A. I hope she won't exert silent pressure on A to reconsider. Because here we are dealing with a matriarch who has been shown to be progressive beyond anyone's imagination or expectation. It important for the sake of the masses of women taking away their lessons from BV that DS remains progressive to the end. She should not even be in a conflict over J and A. Because no matter what happens in the end, her character will have been spoilt.
My takeaway from Fri's episode is that A has finally come to terms with Shiv. She already sees the sagai as a fulfilment of her mother's last wish. She said as much to herself. She also saw how evolved and progressive Shiv's family are. Shiv's speech on fizul kharcha was necessary for A to realise that she is in ideological alignment with shiv. All this has helped her resolve the conflict in her mind abt the marriage. The decision is on way to becoming as much hers as her mother"s. From her side, therefore, she is fully committed to the relationship,
As for JaGo,it will be unfair in the extreme if the woman is shown to suffer while Ja is rehabiliated by his family, G.alone is made to pay for her sins. The logic is appalling. Did J not lie to Gauri about being single? Isnt that a worse crime than G hiding the fact her education was paid for by the Singhs? Did J not lie to Bade Papa? Forget A, even in the JaGo relationship, J is more guilty than G. Therefore my second prayer, please do not build up sympathy for J. Don't show him so tearful that women start thinking it is okay to take back an ex-husband if he shed some tears.
My takeaway from Friday's episode is that
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Sarandha l can not talk about other soaps which you are talking about because I don't watch any of those.I watch Balikavadhu because it appeals to the modern woman in me.For me it's simple.If I don't like what they are showing in their show I don't watch.I don't see any point in complaining. The only show I watch is Balikavadhu for precisely the way the women are portrayed .It depends on us.If we dont agree with what they are showing we need not watch them.I don't have any complaints against Balikavadhu.So I watch it.
What is the point in complaining about what other serial makers doing when Balika vadhu has not done?
They are not showing the women you would like to see because they are not part of the story.It doesn't make sense to show them here.And makers of this show are very clear who it was targeted at and along with woman in the rural areas they also managed to captured the minds of so called urban women.
To me all the women characters shown in this serial are strong minded.It doesn't matter whether they are traditional bahus or urban women.So I have no problems with this serial.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ aparnauma

Thats perfectly fine. You are entitled to have your opinion and so am i . I thought that in some ways the serial did fall in the same trap where showing a certain kind of modernity was concerned and thats my opinion. Also i would argue in gauri, in sanchi, in many other characters there was an opportunity to do so - because failing which , it again ends up showing the traditional in particular ways .

Also everybody has a right to complain about things they dont like in anything they see- whether its BV or other serials- i do not agree that you should watch silently only those things you agree with and simply stop watching those which u don't like without saying anything or registering your protest - movies, serials, visual media are a part of the world we inhabit and we might get to see a little of them now and then whether we want to or not . Niether do i watch any of these k serials - but i live in kinship circles where they are constantly watched and discussed and you cannot help escaping the images constantly being flashed. And i sometimes feel nauseous at the endless sagas of women - as heroines or vamps - with whom u can hardly associate with in your real life !!
And all of us are bound to have an opinion as audience which counts - since these serials shape public imagination in different ways , a critique of the way they choose to or do not choose to depict society is perfectly legitimate and necessary - that's how public opinion gets build up in a democratic set up - and that's how we ensure our inputs also determine what we get to see as audience instead of it being a one way where entertainment media just guesses what would be a good way to send across messages to the public.

Edited by sarandha - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Suchi, am not complaining but just want to request you not to read every critique of Anandi's character as A-bashing. I agree 100 per cent with you that there are ill-informed and illiterate posts by people who keep asking one-line questions. But equally, there is another set of people who want to dispassionately analyse her character. I'm glad Anjana too accepts this point. I would like to believe that these analyses form a useful feedback for the CVs to correctly mould the characters
Anandi is a fictional character, not a real-life person. I woud like to believe that our criticism of her constantly flashbacking on J -- even after the bibhut incident -- helped the CVs to put the message across to her via Bhairon. Once Bhairon told her not to think of J, her FBs stopped. The problem one had with the FBs was not that A cannot be emotional torn abt the second marriage but that the bhibhut incident should have acted as a catalyst for herfinal rejection of J. How could she accuse J of her mother's murder and yet hold his memories to her bosom? I'm really glad the conflict has been resolved.
I hope similarly our misgivings abt DS will act as a feedback. Maybe the CVs -- as you"ve argued -- will never tamper with DS's progressive transformtion. But if our worries reach them, there is no harm, right?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Rohini,
I agree with each and every point of yours in your previous post..
In my view, J is even more of a culprit than G.
Yes, i agree G is manipulative, selfish, egotist etc., etc., but the reason for all these streaks in this woman are accentuated is becoz of J...she had felt insecure of his love towards her...
yes., agree that she should have cut off the relationship with him once she got to know the truth that he is already married., she didnot do so...that is her fault...but first nad foremost., why shuold J stray...that shows his weak character...even though G is in love with J, she knows at the back of her mind., that J is weak and anyday she may lose him to another woman...and that led to her insecurity , making her commit all the blunders that she had..
If CV's are planning to get J redeemed, in my view, they SHOULD think of redemption for G also. Otherwise, it will not be just.
Coming to the sympathies for J, or they trying to do this by the way they are depicting him now in the precaps & promos...showing him in a battared condition... I'am sorry but could not agree with same...,
Today i have come across an article in DC where there is an analysis of the psyches of Winner / Loser. To give some excerpts from this article...
A winner is a guy who knows he hasnot won till he has actually won. A loser is a guy who has won long before victory is in sight.
A winner has his head in the clouds and his feet firmly on the ground. A loser has his feet in the clouds and his head in an imaginary world only he knows all about...
A true winner goes into his personal battlefield without expecting to win, even prepared to lose, only not prepared to lose his honour in the process. The Loser has already won in his head, he has surrounded himself in a face world.
Losers are guys who think they are mighty winners till the shock of reality hits their faces. the end result is a foregone conclusion and so the inevitable struggle to reach out to sucess is often sacrificed.
Winners on the other hand have forecasted their defeat, have prepared a plan B, have figured out how to go about with their lives in the event of failure.
so., all the above points suggets that J is indeed a BIG LOSER.
He was so confident that he will be welcomed by whole of his family once he give his appologies to them., he had not come with a plan B in case that doesnot work out... and what has he become., almost a beggar on the street ! It is HIS own fault...pray., he is a MBBS degree holder...not a five year old ! CV's by this turn of events., should be more focussing on this loser attitude he has towards life., but not on garnering sympathies for him, showing him in this pitiful state.
Knowingly or unknowingly they have made Shiv mouth a sane advise to J that unless J changes his ATTITUDE, he can go nowhere...Hope CV's remember this point they have made., in case they want to redeem J !
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Thats perfectly fine. You are entitled to have your opinion and so am i . I thought that in some ways the serial did fall in the same trap where showing a certain kind of modernity was concerned and thats my opinion. Also i would argue in gauri, in sanchi, in many other characters there was an opportunity to do so - because failing which , it again ends up showing the traditional in particular ways .

Also everybody has a right to complain about things they dont like in anything they see- whether its BV or other serials- i do not agree that you should watch silently only those things you agree with and simply stop watching those which u don't like without saying anything or registering your protest - movies, serials, visual media are a part of the world we inhabit and we might get to see a little of them now and then whether

Originally posted by: sarandha

@ aparnauma

we want to or not . Niether do i watch any of these k serials - but i live in kinship circles where they are constantly watched and discussed and you cannot help escaping the images constantly being flashed. And i sometimes feel nauseous at the endless sagas of women - as heroines or vamps - with whom u can hardly associate with in your real life !!
And all of us are bound to have an opinion as audience which counts - since these serials shape public imagination in different ways , a critique of the way they choose to or do not choose to depict society is perfectly legitimate and necessary - that's how public opinion gets build up in a democratic set up - and that's how we ensure our inputs also determine what we get to see as audience instead of it being a one way where entertainment media just guesses what would be a good way to send across messages to the public.

The only way to stop the makers making the kind of shows where women and modernity are not shown in the right light is by stop watching them.That's the only we can pass on an effective message.For them whether we watch their show or not is the only thing that matters and not what we think of it. It is the TRPs that decide and they are based on how many people watch it.If they do not get the TRPs they stop making such shows.And that is the more effective of conveying our message to the people who make regressive soaps.Expressing our opinions via the internet is not enough.If you are seroius about wanting a change in the content that they are showing you have to come up and say that you are not going to watch what they are making. That's what I said inmy earlier post.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Aparna

- I don't know your level of knowledge about the Indian Television Industry...I don't want to presume either way. I learnt a little bit during my campaign against NDTV Imagine a few years back. This forum has people like Jyoti (one of the global moderators), who genuinely know a lot more.

- Anyway NDTV Imagine is now suing the TRP people for their ineptitude. I don't know what exactly the allegations. I certainly have no access to the court papers...then again i have not tried to track it down.

- However, on this I do agree with NDTV Imagine. India's TRP system is a JOKE. In a country of Billion plus their representative sample is 5000 - 6000 households🤔 Those 5000 households impact AD revenues of TV Channels and in turn production houses...actors, directors, etc.

- On a more personal level you may turn of your television set when don't appreciate the content... but, do you matter in India? NOT unless you are one of the 5000 chosen households restricted to a few metros in India.

- Lastly while my knowledge of statics is admittedly shallow (one of my less stellar subjects in undergrad) but, I would not want to base my AD purchasing decision on such a small sample if I were an Indian Biz Executive...but, sadly I would have no other alternative.

- Even assuming TRPs r reliable... we ve chicken and egg story... whether people emulate the ideals depicted on screen or whether the screen reflects Indian reality.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Anjana,
It is indeed very disheartening to know this...
Here we pour our hearts out on the evaluations of the characters...logical reasonings...how they need to be effectively treated etc., etc., and finally, can we see justice on the screen...A BIG Question !!!
In such scenario, doing justice to a soap ( irrespective of TRP's ) solely lies in the hands of a script writer and the mindset / convictions of the production house...I really wonder if we can expect such idealism...😕
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Adi - don't lose heart. While TRPs determine revenue...most intelligent PHs and Channels look at forums like this one for feedback/audience reaction to the story, character, etc. And they do shift/alter/consider that feedback.

This also I know from my limited industry research as well as personal experience (online interaction with Colors current head of fiction when he was Creative Head of an Imagine Show, etc.) that they do indeed visit the forums.

One last thing, the TRPs of BV is solid since the entry of Sid as Shiv (Better than in a long time). There are articles aplenty from Channel and even writer that make it clear they are committed to Anandi remarriage track. So, by the flawed yardstick they themselves are forced to use, BV is on track.
Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Anjana,
TQ for your re assurance...😊
At the end of the day., we all would like to see justice especially on soaps like BV...
just FYI, this is the only soap i watch and would like that to be an experience that i can remember but not forget...😆

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