Anandi's journey to Shiv ,DS, jagat and BV

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I had posted in the earlier round over a long term unease with the way themes like bal vivaah , adultery, modernity vs tradition and women were being shown by BV writers in certain respects. Responses by several people - rohini, seriuslysujal, anjana, kadoo, ankit , ela etc helped me clarify and rethink some of the ways in which these themes have been renegotiated in BV so thanx to them - they made the process of thinking thru much more rewarding . Here are some thoughts- though not completely together yet in my head- at the end of it and a comment on anandi's behaviour in this light.

Where adultery, modernity etc are concerned , most popular soap's fall in the same trap of showing it in certain black and white and stereotypical ways and part of my jadedness arose from the way in most serials women who even strike a different path do so by conforming to traditional norms of good bahu in many ways - you never see modern, independent, working, pub going, fun loving women who can be deeply sensitive, ethical and good or just ordinary human beings even if they don't relate to traditional norms of being.
I have to say BV had not fully fallen in the same trap though some of the trappings were there . I still feel all the good women are still potrayed as very traditional - except till shiv's family come in - in terms of not just dressing up etc, but the way they remain within certain daayra's and maryada's and think about issues. Similarly the village/city dichotomy etc. But i think they have managed to portray a more modern and progressive way of being by introducing shiv's family finally . However i still feel traditional or rural as understood by us is still too cliche and stereotypical- built by images of oppressed and repressed women in male dominated feudal village settings as portrayed by visual media - some of which is true ofcourse, but many studies have shown village women to be far more radical, intelligent and wise in their understanding of sexuality, extramarital relationships, illicit affairs etc . And them being far more subversive and strategic in dealing with these issues.
But where bal vivaah is concerned - i still think they've mixed up adultery and the specific problem of BV in a way that the message about BV itself is getting lost . Adultery is a complex moral dilemma which is so pervasive in society that negotiating it in a manner that the problems with child marriage are not relegated to the background required more sensitive portrayals of central characters. While i feel jagat's character is still an acceptable realistic mix of grey , its not so with Gauri.
Jagat's character ' the ladla kunwar - who was always insecure. He was insecure of Anandi when she scored more than him in school as a child. He is also insecure that Gauri was a better doctor than him. To a certain extent Jagya has always been immature and egoistic and pampered . He is a product of a patriarchal upbringing which has made him self centred but not authoritarian (for the way he submits to gauri's authority at times)- and he has been truly like a pendulum ' never developed a strong will and conviction and sense of right and wrong ' at the same time has affection for his family even though he's ashamed of his village lifestyle etc, again out of his insecurity about himself ' for its only when you are insecure about yourself you get so carried away by chamak dhamak of other lives in a way u're not able to have a perspective on it ' see things in terms of both their good and bad aspects . But he's at an impressionable age ' I don't agree that a six months consummation of a child marriage in a certain context makes him guilty of willful adultery when he has a college style romance with gauri on leaving his own context. Most of us go thru these phases- have childhood sweethearts, college romances which may or may not mature into adult love which forms the basis of a marriage, or we may move on to discovering that love later in life , getting married and settling down. What I find far more reactionary is how now after having spend all these years married to gauri , having a child etc , he so easily thought on discovering greyer aspects of gauri's character, that he could just leave all that and get back to his child bride so easily, as if she would be there like a aimple village girl waiting for him and so would the family ' its again the spoilt man who's so sure of his place in the family and with the wife he left and a traditional set up he was ashamed of- and all of which he always took for granted. And also speaks of a deep immaturity if you could leave someone u've spend seven years of your adult life with , so quickly through one episode of disillusionment and disenchantment. He needed to be there - talk it thru with gauri - maybe even get her back with him for them to together apologise to his family for misbehaving the way they did. But he still hasnt grown up - is still the pampered kid who thinks he can keep changing his life like clothes ! The CVs have done a good job in bringing out all this as long as they show its culmination in the right way though thru self realisation, repentance, redemption.
I think where CVs have really gone overboard is to dramatise the contrast between gauri and anandi is by painting her in blacker and blacker shades overtime ' from initially being a fun loving person ' with many positive aspects, even though someone not as mature as anandi'( who's experiences made her so) ' to a completely selfish woman 'the bhibuti episode, misbehaving with anandi, her just happening to be the same girl jagiya was almost married to in childhood - a bit of an unnecessary coincidence as has been pointed out ' and being so egoistical in dealing with the unpleasant truth' she could have been shown as a slightly more balanced person with less black in her grey ' just to show that normal people also sometimes get involved in these entangled relationships ' especially when the focus is child marriage not pati, patni aur woh. And anandi's mother's dialogues in fb where she says she would have killed her own daughter with her own hands if she'd done what gauri had done - her subsequent death ' all reinforce a deeply moralistic understanding of marriage, adultery etc. We have to put adultery in perspective ' where the message that gets across is that one should be there to help and support the wives left behind stand up for their rights, be strong and assertive , protect their entitlements but not think that it's the end of life for them and instead of providing rigorous moral support in dealing with uncertainities which are part and parcel of adult relationships, we become depressed, suicidal etc.

I find DS- the strong assertive matriarch ' a very well brought out character even if with shades of grey' as someone had also commented in some post - despite ruling the family with an iron hand , she is steeped in traditional mores and does her best to break the rebellious spirit in a growing anadi to make her the 'perfect beendhni for her self indulgent spoiled brat of a grandson". She only changes when jagat falls for gauri, partly out of realization how unfair all this has been to anandi and partly perhaps even because subconsciously she realises someone like gauri would never bow to her authority in the same way. But I still think in this reconsideration and self realization , both she and to some extent Bhairon, are yet far from realizing how much of this outcome was brought out by them by firstly bringing about jagiya-anandi's bal vivaah in itself, as well as a very patriarchal upbringing of the spoilt kunwar of the family ! I think this is still missing in getting across the message ' the realization, repentance of different family members as well as jagiya within a frame which firmly brings out problems with this patriarchal set up and the pivotal role of bal vivaah in all this too ' in bringing out these consequences who's fallouts all ' anandi, jagiya, gauri ' are still facing. This is crucial in a serial which is centred on the theme of child marriage ' other things can be woven into it ' but this is important.

Lastly anandi's behaviour ' I agree a lot of it is natural ' fb's when ceremonies that she underwent earlier are repeated , her jadedness , her feeling low and her fear of going thru it all again . But I still think that they could have send these signals more clearly ' because a lot of people have taken them as proof of the fact that she still hasn't moved on ' which is inconsistent with the strong character she's shown to be who as rohini wrote, gave that calm ,beautiful parting speech on her divorce to jagiya about her having moved on , who tore him apart for coming with bhabut on her mother's death ' but who tearfully cries and says she'll try and forget jagiya to bhairon , even her fb's ' I agree with ankit who said its natural to think of earlier times when the same thing happened to you , I don't agree that those memories would not be tempered by abuses and trauma of that relationship which surely foregrounds those associations 'u cannot think of them in isolation when u revisit them because how u associate with them ' how painful or bittersweet they are is constantly negotiated by the reality of present. And it has been seven years now after merely 6 months of adult courtship after all!

However I feel there is also another explanation of her being curt with shiv at times ' this is an anandi who's been traditionally brought up in ways that they still have a powerful impact on her pshyche , its also an anandi attracted to shiv , and also an anadi who's been deeply hurt in the past ' the contradictions within her due to all these things ' an attraction battling with the impact of tradition with the fear of rejection ' are making her behave in these ways. However I feel her deepening admiration of shiv, her inherent ability to appreciate others and be strong in dealing with adversities, her attraction for shiv ' will all lead her to realize that he's a soulmate in the true sense for her ' with some help and understanding and unconditional love from shiv. I just wish CV writer develop this romance in a way that it also becomes the pinnacle of anandi's journey of self realization, acceptance and acknowledgement of her individuality, her sexuality and her being .

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I like your post. I agree with most of it disagree with I think perhaps 1-2 points.. mainly the issue about Gauri.

Gauri was shown as a fun loving person! but ,... within the introduction of her character in 1-2 months .. she was shown to have the grey shade.

THis was before, jagya had fallen for her completely and decided to move in together.

March 23rd episode 2011 (lol I know I have watched BV a lot of times)

There you can see that she is going through that phase where her character comes in contact with the insecure part of her. She goes into a mental -disturbed psyche-phase...

her character was always, termed as a grey one...They did not change is to gain TRPs. This is what I like about BV. They do not depend on one character to gain TRPs.. In fact the BVs highest TRP 7.0-10.0 was gained during the death of pratap (the first husband of Sugna). At that time, Anandi, jagya were not given much screen space and gauri was no where in the picture.

EVen when she got married and came back to haveli...there was a scene where she stood in front of the mirror...about to touch her sindoor...trying to question her decision to marry Jagya..

then the all famous August 1st episode..where she is shown to scream at Jagya.. to leave her..

===Gauri's character has been written to be as an in secured person from day ONE.

the more she got into the mess of relationships trying to correct the wrong that happened in her childhood, the more exposed her feelings became and started to take over her cover-up face (fun and loving)

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Gauri is not outright negative.. she is insecure and that is what makes her do things which are deemed as selfish, arrogant etc.

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Besides that.. the other point I kinda..disagree is.. BV never just showed traditional vs modern where tradition is good and modern is bad no...

In fact they show a balance...By going against child marriage , widow treatment they showed how traditional values that are soo deep rooted in our society can be blatantly wrong.

many a times they have shown how modern thinking brings out good in the society, Education, widow remarriage...

.Shiv's family was the not the first modern person introduced...

It started with Shivani ..and then ashima..not to mention collector sahab and then shiv's family...

so No they do not demote modernization I think they are trying to show what Shivani said after meeting Anandi that..

to have an open and progressive mind its not necessary that people have to live in a city... if the person's heart and mind are open then the progressive thought's winds can seep into even a place like Jetsar which is a small village
Edited by Suchi-Virmanian - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i would like to say only one thing if bv want to show path of realization

jagya is wrong in both anandi and gauri case...what gauri is today is due to her insecurity...she is not vamp where she planned to kill anyone...she is insecure person

she trusted jagat lot even he was married but today "on the name of true colours " he is leaving her...why???????
if she is bad than what jagat is???????? he is the son of singh family so he will get their sympathy but what about gauri????????
so jagat need path of realization in gauri case also...coz she is pregent due to jagat ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Sarandha - happy if I helped in anyway to clarify your thinking. I enjoyed the discussion in your first thread immensely. These are the kind of posts I wish we had even more of in this forum...not the 40th JaAn will reunite or Shiv deserves better or Gauri is blah blah blah🤪 Am unfocused today, so apology in advance for the meander

I appreciate BV's characterizations...all of them. With the exception of Heth, we don't have any true villains just a lot of gray and two/three white characters (Bhairon, Sumi, and of course Anandi).

For me modernity is a state of mind not a dress or address. When I felt like it I have worn Salwar to my University classes and now to work! Its not the norm in my Western workplace, but its who I am...and am lucky to have a multicultural colleagues.

BV is not modern in look, but it is in feel while retaining its rural flavor. For instance, the patriarchal not completely progressive gaonwalas questioning AnSh ki seemingly close professional rishta. The modernity in that scene came from the Singhs particularly Daadisa who merged modern progressive thought with tradition beautiful. One concern I have had is the cliche/stereotype that sehri ya videsi people were/are bad, nakchadi, etc. I.E. Sanchi the TWIT. But, in BV they have balanced characters like Gauri and Saanchi with Shiv, Shivani, and Ashima. NRI r not valueless arrogant selfish users and Gaonwalas are not all selfless humble gullible. Its a mix. Another classy scene that shows this is Shiv wearing Daadisa's kurta to the temple - there we see him directly address Anandi's prejudice.

Coming to Gauri, I agree with the coincidence much thought that Gudiya is Guari. I get why they did it though...her annulled bal vivah is at the heart of her insecurity and sense of injustice compounded by poor parvarish. I don't perceive G to be evil...manipulative yes, but not evil. She wants the freedoms of modernity but,the trappings of traditions. She is regressive in outlook partly due to her mother, but progressive in appearance due to her education. In sum she is one conflicted being...too self absorbed and short sighted to see her own flaws, but not villainous rather foolishly calculating.

Coming to J - yes...he is trapped in the patriarchy of society and spoilt. He thought the world was his oyster to explore and he the sun...he is slowly realizing it does not revolve around him.

I agree with you they have merged bal vivah with adult adultery. But, such is live. Lessons are not clear cut... its khichdi. But, they do answer why parents should not marry their children off...while all might turn out well, with BV all of the following possibles are also likely:
1. Potential for abuse by their in laws at a very vulnerable age;
2. Loss of childhood and shortchanging of education
3. Rape and sexual exploitation b4 one even comprehends rishtas
4. Abandonment without ability to financially survive where the girl is uneducated
5. A lifetime of aloneness with bal vidwas
6. Adultery and betrayal from a rishta that one may have grown up with and that is the foundation of one's identity

I will reiterate, J is not a victim of bv as an adult, he is just an immature MCP who committed adultery which he tried to excuse using bv
Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree with you that Indian womn are portrayed in a certain way in Indian t.v.serials. Where Gauri is concerned she has been shown so negative that she is ridiculed for every dialogue of hers. The truth is she is the real wife of Jagia and he should not have left her over such small lies. They are married even if their marriage is not working. Jagia leaving her and ppreciating Anandi makes viewers think if bal vivah and docile woman are best marriage partners.It would have been better if gaga have been shown happily married.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ suchi
I agree with a lot of what you say😊 except that i still feel gauri could have been shown a little more positively and a little more self reflexive. Also because i guess i'm wary about how easy it is to villianise the other woman in a society which till date remains more judgemental of other woman as 'home breakers' while letting go off the man more lightly even though it is he who breaks his commitment to an existing relationship and hence is primarily responsible ! he's often just shown as a victim seduced by the other woman's charms and wiles. Not that they've done it over here but i'm still shocked at the way gauri has become far more an object of hate in the perception of many as comments in several forums betray . Also i do reteirate that we have think of break ups in a more complex manner - as part and parcel of adult relationships - that might help to deal with fear of rejection far better...


@ Anjana

As usual i agree with a lot of what you say but still wish they'd kept gauri out of this unnecesary twist to show this relation in a more normal way with a more normal gauri - so that the emphasis still remained more with child marriage in a different way.
Where jagiya is concerned...hmmnnn...i agree in many instances BV can become an excuse but i still think jagiya was still too young and at that stage when he left anandi after a six month courtship where you could think of his defection as partly out of problems which arise as a consequence of BV. But his behaviour now , his leaving gauri in this cavalier manner , his thinking he could get back to anandi so easily , his recations on finding she was engaged to shiv - all bring out the patriarchal spoilt egoistic male in him much more ...he's adult enough now to know that the world is not his oyster and we have to try and live with what we build over time instead of flitting immaturely from one siuation to another at our will when it suits us...

But otherwise as usual its nice to read your posts 😊

@ ela . I do agree - his adult life has been built around a relation with gauri out of his own free will at the cost of so much pain to so many people - the least he could have done was not to so irresponsible create another rupture by thinking he could once again so easily get back all that he so wilfuly destroyed by wilfuly destroying what he himself build ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I have noticed that woman are more cruel to the other woman . Man are less .
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Originally posted by: elasingh

I have noticed that woman are more cruel to the other woman . Man are less .


True..

Its the innate nature for women to think with their hearts and Men with their minds..



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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Sarandha - when J had his "realization" courtesy of BP, I outlined why he is no just 50% shareholder in G's manipulations and actions, but why he is much more culpable. For his own betrayals of both Anandi and Gauri, his family, the legal system of India, and his gaon. Its never J's fault...even now he's asking mein kya kiya? 🤢 A passerby should hit him on the head with a coconut not coin🤣🤣🤣 Due to immaturity, arrogance and overblown sense of entitlement he threw away a diamond. Now he's too busy pointing fingers to work on his chosen rishta with Gauri. A true MCP who treats women as commodity...without any respect for their emotions. He's all choked up seeing AnSh ki saagai and crying about his replacement in Anandi's life and gaonwalas lauffing at him, but does not pause to think that this is what Anandi suffered due to him. Major ASS.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-Virmanian


True..

Its the innate nature for women to think with their hearts and Men with their minds..



Suchi man have other thoughts and eqations for such so called fallen woman especially if such woman are left by their lovers.

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