Anandi's journey to Shiv ,DS, jagat and BV

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Lavanya

@lavy

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#41

Rohini Well said. I made an innocent remark in the PV forum after reading an update from the regular updater about why is the younger DIL demonised for wanting her space, her independence, her own dreams and above call calling the male lead a weirdo...because thats what the male lead of PV is shown to be...a proper psycho. No points for guessing that I was not welcome there at all. :)

It is as though these serials wantedly pull us back. I know many of my friends MILs who preferred living alone have started harassing the sons to start living in Joint families because they want to order around the DIL like they idealise in these soaps. Even urban based soaps show a joint family with low cut blouses, designer clothes, one long dangling mangalsutra and maang bhar bharke sindur. WTH!

Look at those serials eons back. Sailaab, Hasratein showed nuclear families and showed ILs visits being cordial and friendly. Why can't they show similar sensible serials now? Audience are still mature..its what we want to show them. They are underestimating the audience and that suits their purpose too.

Of course I remember Hasratein. Beautifully made. I love the conversations in BV too. Some of the posters here hated the Skype session between Anandi and Sumitra before the divorce. I for one thought it was a very well etched sequence and was very essential to understand and appease the fear in A's mind. You cannot have ANSH all the time now, Can we? As much as I love the idea of Ansh, I cannot just keep seeing romance all the time between them. Infact, I have loved the conversations they have had and if only they had time for more conversations instead of those eye locks, they would have been in love already! JMO.

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rusha4003

@rusha4003

Dazzler

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Posted: 13 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: sarandha
Since we are reminiscing , my favourites go back to almost dd metro times ...grew up with buniyaad, humlog, yeh jo hai zindagi etc which are brillliant compared to today's standards ...but then there were many others- both progressive and light hearted - kashti, dard, kshitij ke us aur, thoda sa aasman, tanha, kashish, kabhi kabhi...a far more complex one on adultery called hasratein ...even comedies like dekh bhai dekh, zamana badal gaya hai, offbeat ones like himalaya darshan ...i dont know when the tide changed and we were swamped by long soaps and ekta kapoor brands in our living rooms...

OMG ... this really brings back memories ... I grew up watching these too ...!

Honestly ... there was a variety in the fare on TV then . To your list I would also like to add the 2 serials of short stories ... Kathasagar & Darpan ,where they would feature a short story of famous writers. They were simply outstanding !

Even after all these years of watching serials, i cant for the life of me understand why a serial has run for years together 😕 ! Almost always the story in these cases, (with the sole aim of stretching it)is filled with illogical twists and turns ... until, we can no longer empathize with the chars or the story ... then, finally it meanders to an abrupt end !

I wish we had serials that had a good script, great actors with a captivating beginning, an interesting unfurling and a logical end... all in the span of a few months !

Will this really happen ??? ... I wonder ...

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Uma

@adi2512

Sparkler

Posted: 13 years ago

#43

I agree with you Anjana...my MIL is an ardent watcher of star plus soaps ( infact she does not forgo even a single serial ). whenever i get to catch a scene or two, i just cringe at the characterisations of the male leads ( no offence to anybody...its just my view... ), all the more after watching the character of Shiv...its the most amazing character that i have come across...its how we expect a HERO to be...not in a very loud but in a very subtle way...the character has got a certain old world charm to it which is very endearing...and i also feel Sidharth Shukla is giving full justice to the potrayal...👏

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AnjanaYYZ

@AnjanaYYZ

Stunner

+ 6

Posted: 13 years ago

#44

Rusha - i too wish for crisper storytelling and scripting these days. Its sadly lacking. Story gets lost in TRPs, Actor Ego, Conceptual lack, etc. Indian Tele with the exception of BV is littered with serials that went completely awry or in process of doing so... not to mention OTT conceptualizations in the first place to begin with:

1. Saath Phere - epic FAIL;

2. Kahin to Hoga - made no sense post Rajeev ki Exit;

3. Kasauti Zindagi ki - forget the leaps, i still can't figure out who was Prerna's pyaar?;

4. Jyoti - there was no need to destroy the characterization of pankaj;

5. Kaisa Yeh Pyaar after a point was unbearable;

6. Currently Chaal Sheh Aur Maat;

7. Sasural Simar ka - I cannot even figure out the theme of the show or how its surviving;

8. Punar Vivah - a hero in love with dead wife and a heroine lying about her marital status...these r the role models we are to follow;

9. KTLK - they killed murdered butchered one of classiest mature love stories of the PAK diaspora - Dhoop Kinarey

10. Kya Hua Tera Vaada - filled with regressive thoughts in modern attire

11. Pavitra Rishta - where the male lead abandons his wife for 20 yrs and a mother who does not even fight him for custody of her children😲

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rohini55

@rohini55

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#45

Lavy, Sardhana, Anjana, what perceptive remarks!. Can't tell you how much I've enjoyed letting off steam. I feel so depressed when I see other soaps, and even more so when I visit other forums where the comments rarely go beyond "rocking" and "awesome". Maybe the audience is very young but I don't remember being so moronic when I was 16. At home, we used to have heated political debates around the dining table. I knew the Constitution of India, I read newspapers, I knew our history. And so did all my young friends of my time.

I see a lot of young crowd in BV's Ansh AT thread too. I'm not a member there because while I really like Ansh, I'm not inclined to be a fan. But I read the exchanges and I must say the kids there are tons more intelligent and mature than those who invade ATs in other forums. Going back to Hasratein -- I noticed later that Sardhana also mentioned Hasratein -- if I remember correctly, the hero, Harsh Chhaya -- a fabulous, effortless actior -- not just had an affair but lived in with the "other" woman. But amazingly, there was not one thing vulgar about the woman. She was so much more sensible, intelligent and suppotive than the wife. Whatever happened to these kinds of portrayals. People didn't dress like jewellery stores, they acted naturally and they told a story.

I remember the lovey serials on DD. People wore everyday clothes, there were everyday situations and problems and almost no melodrama. The first private TV serial was also pathbreaking. Tara, I think it was called.For the first time it showed women drinking. I don't see drinking as necessarily progressive or anything but the point is, a woman who drinks socially need not be evil. Then came EK . I cannot forgive her. She has changed this country's liberal culture and I feel so awful about it, and she brought in all the overdressed, overdramatic, scheming, plotting women, plastic surgery and other horrific stuff. TV has not been able to shed her impact and today every serial is a copy of her soaps in one form or another.

Talking of PV -- don't know if we can discuss other running serials here but some passing remarks -- its heroine is unbearably regressive. She keeps running behind the hero who physically abuses her. How can people lgush about her? And about the hero? Then there is the much-toasted RK. If anyone overacts and is overdramaitc it is him. The more he illtreats and insults the female lead, the more he is worshipped by his adoring fans. I feel seriously worried for young people whose values are like this.

Our Anandi may have loved Jagya but she never debased herself like this. Even then I got angry with her. But after seeing what women are made to do in other serials, I'm thankful to BV CVs for at least gradually lifting her out of her hell.

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rohini55

@rohini55

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#46

sardhana However I feel there is also another explanation of her being curt with shiv at times ' this is an anandi who's been traditionally brought up in ways that they still have a powerful impact on her pshyche , its also an anandi attracted to shiv , and also an anadi who's been deeply hurt in the past ' the contradictions within her due to all these things ' an attraction battling with the impact of tradition with the fear of rejection ' are making her behave in these ways. However I feel her deepening admiration of shiv, her inherent ability to appreciate others and be strong in dealing with adversities, her attraction for shiv ' will all lead her to realize that he's a soulmate in the true sense for her ' with some help and understanding and unconditional love from shiv. I just wish CV writer develop this romance in a way that it also becomes the pinnacle of anandi's journey of self realization, acceptance and acknowledgement of her individuality, her sexuality and her being .

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Exacly my sentiments. The upcoming part of BV shd be about A's self-realization. Am keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that CVs won't do more melodrama after tasting success with rising TRPs.

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Lavanya

@lavy

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#47

Before I continue this thread later, I wanted to thank all you girls.

What a remarkable cerebral conversation we had. Anjana Rohini Rusha Sarandha Thanks. I have not had this nice an experience in any other forum nor in any other serial. Made me wish we could all meet for some Tea and Samosas and have this conversation over hot chai.

Edited by lavy - 13 years ago

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 13 years ago

#48

Anjana- That's what I was saying about the two colors serials.

They tried to change the story and the looks of these shows when they did not find audiences.It was painful to watch those shows degenerating in an attempt at gaining trps.

That's what I am saying ultimately audience only want family dramas.They don't like to see anything different.

Balika vadhu has been lucky to escape this need to chase trps.And we are getting to see a story that is sensible story that is told in a realistic way.

Edited by aparnauma - 13 years ago

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sarandha

@sarandha

Beginner

Posted: 13 years ago

#49

i will also continue the thread later , had just slept off towards the end of the conversation but i agree with your sentiment lavy - I remember when i had begun commenting on this and one more forum- had done with no expectations since after ekta serials and their reception in many quarters, i was almost loosing hope and i couldnt bear the thought that so many woman could be so taken in - in and around me . So posting was just a way of letting out some of the deep anger building within on the deeply chauvinistic, regressive and patriarchal fares being dished out regularly for staple consumption on the idiot box

I was really pleasantly surprised to find so many likeminded people on this forum in both the posts - helped me think through more , discuss more and actually enjoy myself. and u are right lavy the way we all were going nostalgic with our reminiscences made me almost wish we were all discussing it somewhere on a rainy evening with chai and pakodas 😊

have to rush off now . will comment on anajan's remark about male leads which i wholeheartedly agree with later .

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Mehek25

@Mehek25

Sparkler

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#50

Originally posted by sarandha

@ suchi
I agree with a lot of what you say😊 except that i still feel gauri could have been shown a little more positively and a little more self reflexive. Also because i guess i'm wary about how easy it is to villianise the other woman in a society which till date remains more judgemental of other woman as 'home breakers' while letting go off the man more lightly even though it is he who breaks his commitment to an existing relationship and hence is primarily responsible ! he's often just shown as a victim seduced by the other woman's charms and wiles. Not that they've done it over here but i'm still shocked at the way gauri has become far more an object of hate in the perception of many as comments in several forums betray . Also i do reteirate that we have think of break ups in a more complex manner - as part and parcel of adult relationships - that might help to deal with fear of rejection far better...

@ Bold...I agree with u...Here Jagath is equally (if not more) to blame for what happened between the trio...But as always it is Gauri who is maligned and branded as 'the other woman' and bears the brunt not only of society but now even of Jagya...He conveniently puts all the blame on her and is acting as the injured party...whereas he was the bigger wrong doer...He should have realised he is married before giving into his feelings...When he wanted to end his relationship with Anandi for Gauri's sake he pout the blame on his family for making him enter into a child-marriage...Now suddenly he wants to turn the clock back and continue from where he left off...And puts the blame on Gauri...So ok she lied on several occasions and made him do many things he did not think were correct...but at that time he was so besotted with her that he could not think correctly and kept doing it all...It shows what a weak character he is...very egotistical, and a self-opinionated,selfish, jealous male...

The jealousy he shows towards Shiv after he walks out from the Haveli shows that he is more upset because he saw how much loved Shiv was in his place...What did he think??? he could just walk in again, tell all he had made a mistake, and expect them to forget everything he had done and said...all the hurt he had caused his loved ones and welcome him back with open arms!!!!! Just goes to show how shallow his character actually is...

@ Anjana

As usual i agree with a lot of what you say but still wish they'd kept gauri out of this unnecesary twist to show this relation in a more normal way with a more normal gauri - so that the emphasis still remained more with child marriage in a different way.
Where jagiya is concerned...hmmnnn...i agree in many instances BV can become an excuse but i still think jagiya was still too young and at that stage when he left anandi after a six month courtship where you could think of his defection as partly out of problems which arise as a consequence of BV. But his behaviour now , his leaving gauri in this cavalier manner , his thinking he could get back to anandi so easily , his recations on finding she was engaged to shiv - all bring out the patriarchal spoilt egoistic male in him much more ...he's adult enough now to know that the world is not his oyster and we have to try and live with what we build over time instead of flitting immaturely from one siuation to another at our will when it suits us...

But otherwise as usual its nice to read your posts 😊

Agree with the points in blue...U have sumamrised Jagya's character very well...

@ Red...This is one point i don't agree with...jags has been shown as a shallow person who wants to blame any situation, or any circumstance, or even any other person, but himself...He wants to portray himself as a martyr in all events...And wants to gain sympathy of one and all...

@ ela . I do agree - his adult life has been built around a relation with gauri out of his own free will at the cost of so much pain to so many people - the least he could have done was not to so irresponsible create another rupture by thinking he could once again so easily get back all that he so wilfuly destroyed by wilfuly destroying what he himself build ...

Sarandha very well said...I also thought the same thing when he was so confident in the taxi that.."my family will be angry, will even shout, but will forgive me...after all I am they love me..." Just hope CVs dont gpo and spoil it all by making DS forgive him unconditionally and take him back to Haveli...

PS: Wonderful post and very good analysis and responses from all...👏...Loved reading it...