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tinoo

@tinoo

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Posted: 13 years ago

#21

@everyone -- thanks for your thoughtful responses.

I agree with some aspects and have trouble grappling with other aspects, so I'll get back on these others in a few days. Will bump up the thread when my thoughts are organized.

I have been on extended bed rest/medical leave for a long time now after surgery and go back to work tomorrow after being fully healed -- yay!! Want to thank all of you for your companionship, and the love and laughter on this forum.

As background for what I want to continue--

Has anyone seen the movie "My sister's keeper" -- the full story is available on wikipedia. It is based on a true story).

Anyway, its about a family where the elder daughter is dying of cancer, and the younger daughter was conceived specially because they could not find a bone marrow match for the elder one. So they conceived a new child, who by a miracle is an exact bone marrow match (all children need not necessarily be the same bone marrow matches to each other).

At any given time, this child is always asked to make sacrifices for her sister by her mom for her sister's health and do all kinds of blood transfusions and bone marrow transplants. It comes to a point where when the younger child is 13 years old, the elder siblings kidney fails. And the mom expects the younger child to donate a kidney.

At this point, at the age of 13, the younger child sues her parents and seeks a 'divorce' from her parents. Its a major lawsuit.

Meanwhile, the older daughter says she doesnt want the kidney and she dies. She felt this girl (younger sister) should live her life.

So when I come back, I will have some questions about family obligations etc. Jagya was probably a bad example to use because of his lying and cheating intertwined.

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Khusi

@khusi_*

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: tiny15
@tinoo gud topic!!
ii agree every1 has rt 2 choose their life parteners but not by destroying a prsn's life who'd done so much 4 u!! and J didn't object 2 his marriage 2 A at that time. may b he ddin't know wat is marriage all abt at that time!! but then why did he objected his marriage wid G in the childhood!!

if u want rights then 1st u've 2 do ur duties them demand rights!!and J 'd never fulfilled his duties so his rt 2 choice is null & void!!just like a criminal or terrorists rights r null & void after commiting the crimes or terror activities!!

@bold...perfect line!😊

whenever i heard his line about right to choose life partner...i just feeling like beating him!😡

just like a person is saying i have the right to live life in my way and for that he is killing everyone around him.😡...u live life naa...u y to kill others who did manythings for u!!...specially when other options r available other than killing them!!...

his right isnt noticable at all...he doesnt deserve happiness!

keeping cheating and lying aside...jag could have gather sympathy from many ppl if...

if he would have genuienly tried to save his marrige.(he just jump into the relationship with gauri!)

If he would have felt tied up by anandi's "ehesan"(but he was ashamed of her!!)

if he would have tried to encourage anandi to study and genuienly tried to think about her future.

if he would have treated anandi like a human...

options r available...!

these were the things he could do...but he didnt...

if he would have done that i am sure...the character would not turn out like the most hated character now .

Edited by khusi_* - 13 years ago

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jyothi

@pjyo

Rocker

Posted: 13 years ago

#23

In jagya case why talk about rights when he hasnt fullfilled any duties as husband or son...life is a 2 way street jagya keeps on taking but isnt willing when it's time to give back..He abandoned anandi with utmost cruelly- didnt she have the right to know everything 5 years back,instead of encouraging her education he tried to stop it😡-Horrible husband but not even a good friend to the childhood mate who saved his life..

He kept quite about his mumbai plans because he didn't want bhairav cheques to stop..he promised he will start a hospital in village but he changed his plans midway without bothering to tell bhairav-didnt bhairav who is investing money in jagya's education deserve to know earlier his prodigal son isn't returning ..

Even medical students getting merit seats in govt quota sign legal bond that they will serve in rural areas for few years but jagya made a verbal promise ,😳broke it yet is shameless enough to beg for more money for MS even after announcing he isn't returning to jetsar...What about bhairavs rights?-🤔

Jagya is Bhairav's failed investment🤔-Emotionally,Morally and Monetarily..

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dolly

@tiny15

Stunner

+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#24

@tinoo sorry 2 hear abt ur surgery & glad 2 hear 2 u r fine & taking rest!! so plz take rest properly & get well soon!!😊😊😊

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mini

@fervour

Explorer

Posted: 13 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: tinoo
@asru - your point # 1 -- I understand that it is true that he should not have had adult relations with her after turning adult -- but this is something I have a problem with.

You have a hormonally charged 18 year old boy, who is at the peak of his sexual development and his parents provide him with a girl and put her at his disposal - and say "this is your wife" (as doyelpakhi said -- conditioning him into a suggested relationship) -- then you know that this is what is going to happen. the boy will constantly be mauling the girl because he is hormonally charged.

I blame bhairon for this. Not jagya.

a gud topic yet again tinoo...bt see,regarding the hormones ,wot i feel thahey are not solely to be blamed...u can not cover up being selfish and deceptive in a marriage in the name of hormones.ok lets imagine jagya and anandi met and got married to each other for the 1st time when they were 18.they liked each other and consummated the marriage,probably under the effect of hormones,bt yeah,it DID happen!!!shortly after that ,jagya met gauri n fell in love with her(under another surge of hormones) does this not very precisely happens to be fit to be called infidelity.well u cannot be irresponsible to forget what ur duties are towards a girl whom you have whole heartedly accepted as your wife...how can we be so sure that his let loose hormones wont make him fall for a 3rd girl!!!there is complete lack of integrity in this character!

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tanvismile

@tanvismile

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+ 3

Posted: 13 years ago

#26

Fervour-the situation u have given is totaly different situation,j problem was nt hormones n al dat ,if dat the case then he l have keep changing women in life.see the point he had accepted anandi his wife right childhood without understanding what s love,what does he want? all watever hapend .just hapend with a flow just like how it hapens .one doesnt realise until u r exposed to real world,wat does u want.these r ugly realities of child mariage wer in u do a lot of things without understanding wat u want.

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Anmol Jain

@intruderfast

Trailblazer

+ 4

Posted: 13 years ago

#27

exactly tanvi, the cases r completely diff
if jagya anandi had been adults and gotten into an arranged marriage ,
and then if he would have fallen for gauri , i would have never supported him for breaking up the marriage
he would have been an adult then and then no excuses for dumping anandi in the name of love
this case is completely diff , wheteher he accepted anandi or not after 18 is irrelevant to me
i dont understand the hullabaloo of accepting anandi after turning 18 usse pata tha kyaa kii woh baahar jaayega aur usse kisi aur se love ho jaayega😆
i think usse sablo bolna chahiye tha sorry mujhe lagta hain main kisi aur ke saath pyaar mein padoonga toh chalo yeh shaadi tod dete hain😆😆😆😛😆
just cos he accepted anandi after he turned 18 does his marriage becomes a normal arranged marriage. no atleast not in my eyes
even if he had turned 50 and fallen in love and wanted to get out of this marriage i would have supported him

the point is uskii child marriage huyi thi , and due to that woh ek normal boy kii zindagi nahin jee sakaa, jo usse milni chahiye thi
his parents r to be blamed
forget us, even cvs have shown in one of their msg that ppl who have child marriages and if their relation breaks and they choose someone other then their parents r at fault ,

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sonia77

@sonia77

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#28

The way i look at it is that they've done nothing but made a non sensical tamasha of a very clear cut story!!!...i missed the show for a bit and was shocked to see the developments since last week...i have never supported jagiyas lying and cheating..but for Gods sake..he went ahead and got married to gauri..so move on!!!!...i used to like sumitra such a pretty and lovely expression she had...and now..its so pathetic to watch bhairav and her have this attitide..when its their own fault really!..ya agree jagiya and anandi must have consummated but so what??..thats no reoson why he cant take a decission to turn his life around!...did he know better..had he even seen any other girl apart from his relatives when 18 year old anandi was put infront of him???...i am so sorry but at this point in the show...i support jagiya...the man is having to go through hell..only because he took a decission to get married to a girl of his choice..and that too at an age where its pretty normal to do so!..he cheated he lied..but so..should he force himself to go to anandi and reciprocate her love now ??...this is ridiculous really...i think the creatives themself dont know head or tail where they are heading...are they promoting child marriage by making anandi continuosly pine for a man who cant make it more clear that he's not intrested?..and to eventually bring them together and send a completely wrong message!...or then are they demoting child marriage by showing the consequences of child marriage...which they've pretty much done by anandi suffering!...i had thought by now when i switch on anandi would be moving on...but oh dear!!!...this is a bigtime disaster..and literally disgusting to watch...not to forget gauris screaming and shouting..its hardly helping the track...but i have to say..never seen a more pathetic character than anandi!!!!...the show needs to wind up...simply cant watch it at this point..

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woman11

@woman11

Voyager

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: tanvismile
Fervour-the situation u have given is totaly different situation,j problem was nt hormones n al dat ,if dat the case then he l have keep changing women in life.see the point he had accepted anandi his wife right childhood without understanding what s love,what does he want? all watever hapend .just hapend with a flow just like how it hapens .one doesnt realise until u r exposed to real world,wat does u want.these r ugly realities of child mariage wer in u do a lot of things without understanding wat u want.

tanvi,i just have one question:
what do you mean by Real World? Are villages not real? Living in Jetsar is not real? Is only the city life the real world? So Anandi, Sumitra, Bhairon, Gehna, Basanth, Dadisa and all the other people who live in the village are not living in the Real World? So what world are they living in? In a fake world?
For people who have traveled abroad, does only the foreign land count as the real world? I have learned and encountered a lot of new things after coming to the US, but does that make my stay in the US the only reality? Can I say I was not living in the real world when i stayed in India, only US is the real world? What exactly is the Real World?

Also does a change of taste suggest that I was not living in the real world earlier and hence didn't know what I really want? If I start growing a liking for American serials after coming to the US, while I loved Indian serials in India, can I say this is my only real liking, my liking for Indian serials was not real? Or do I say my taste has changed now?

Edited by woman11 - 13 years ago

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hooked

@hooked

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#30

I like this - the 'real world' concept. Bechara Jagya - what could he do ? he was denied the rea; world and forced to accept a boring girl from the boring world - and he didn't know any better so he consumated also...

But first - please help me understand - Gauri was exposed to the real world much before Jagya - why did she not find someone else apart from a boring gaon ka chhokra ?

Maybe if Anandi is sent to the real world too - she might find a true love.

But the problem is - there are real worlds and there are real worlds.

Jaitser to Mumbai is a leap intot the real world.

Mumbai to NYC is another.

NYC to California is yet another.

And CA to Brazil and so on and so forth - life is full of so many real worlds - each more open and less restrictive than the earlier one...

When does one say enough ? And why just change your spouse ? maybe you can decide your parents are not cool - adopt some nice ones - like Gauri's bade papa as an example..

Maybe Jagya can re invent his whole life as simply as he chose a new name and identity.

Even if I think I have no problems with that - I mind when someone else gets hurt for no fault of their own - like Anandi - and until she can find another kind kindred soul like Shyam to hold her hand - Jagya shud take responsibility for her. And by resp. I do not mean living and breathing @ Jetsar - I mean emotionally fed as by a companion who caused her hurt but is trying to help her move on b4 he can move on.

Here Jagya changed his mind, Jagya thought he liked Gauri, Jagya got a new wife - it was just him him him...

That is a very selfish sort of real world and an insult to the rest of us who life in different areas of this real world. The world does not change all that much - a person has to have some core values to stay grounded. But J has never had them and neither has Gauri

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