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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: yrhpk_aus

I believe this small scene gives an almost perfect summary/idea of the current MISH-BIR-NAL equation😊:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBSyx3aDNWF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Key words:

"bhabhi ke saath rishte gehra karne ke liye maine bhai ke support liya hai tho use intelligence kehte hai"


That's exactly where Kunal-Mishti (devar-bhabhi) bond stands - like many of you have already said, it relies on the supporting basis of ABIR. At that point of time in the story, Kunal had decided to put aside his animosity and grudge for Mishti and accept the rishta only for Abir's happiness. That's it! nothing more. He didn't take any step forward towards reconciling his personal relation with Mishti. However, now we see him gradually taking those baby steps towards breaking the ice, by believing in mishbir's strength of love etc. And he has started talking to his bhabhi like an acquaintance and perhaps some hints of friendship. But other than that, both of them are simply being cordial and neutral towards one another (of course Mishti never had any hatred for him, so her natural feeling towards Kunal is solely on the basis of how important nanko is to Abir).


There were a few key major conversations or at least monologues that are missing in that chaotic storyline with nish-mish shaadi, Kunal's birth truth and then mishbir's shaadi. Many things are left hanging, hence the mish-nal bond doesn't quite feel complete yet.

Anyway, looking forward to see some hopefully meaningful conversations between these three characters to strengthen their respective bonds🤗

awesome nandu...🤗
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Onyourface


Wow nandu ! Never knew this scene was like a foreshadowing of the upcoming events in mishbirNal equation, very well explained yaara 👏👏this sums up all the amazing discussions of this thread ❤️


Bold and italics - perfectly summed up !

uru...like this there are many incidents between mishnal which under rated but have a connect to mishnal bond...


kunal is taking so many baby steps first for his brother then for him, he is personally trying to work on his relations with everyone... the person who always did everything for his bhai and maa... now he is doing for himself... is what i feel...

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ruhi19

uru...like this there are many incidents between mishnal which under rated but have a connect to mishnal bond...


kunal is taking so many baby steps first for his brother then for him, he is personally trying to work on his relations with everyone... the person who always did everything for his bhai and maa... now he is doing for himself... is what i feel...


Well , for sure an underrated scene , which defines any depth , it just gives a foreshadowing of the future of mishbirnal bond rather than mishnal bond if you closely observe ...what mishti and kunal were indulged in with that thread is called "keecha taani" ( the way mishnal relationship was ) and it continued till abir held mishti's hand ( kind of indicating that he will take steps to reconnect with mishti in future post leap ) and that was the exact moment that made kunal change his thoughts with mishti and he became neutral by tying that thread in her hand ( an establishment of their bond on neutral terms ) and now we can see a good progress in their relationship....like in this scene, abir was an important link to make kunal tie that thread with mishti , same in the future he became a reason kunal decided to be neutral with mishti ...I have never denied the progress ruhi , it's there we all can see , there is a start of a friendship which we can see , I have a problem with the way your first post was written, in a way indicating that kunal's every action post leap was to reconcile with mishti, which was not in my opinion...that's all ...otherwise I am always in favour of their progression


But I absolutely agree that kunal has been trying so well to maintain balance in all his relationships which is absolutely wonderful...I even said this earlier on your thread only that more than mishnal, I am happy the way kunal has progressed as a character and has developed all his relationships in a beautiful way post leap ...😳

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Onyourface


Well , for sure an underrated scene , which defines any depth , it just gives a foreshadowing of the future of mishbirnal bond rather than mishnal bond if you closely observe ...what mishti and kunal were indulged in with that thread is called "keecha taani" ( the way mishnal relationship was ) and it continued till abir held mishti's hand ( kind of indicating that he will take steps to reconnect with mishti in future post leap ) and that was the exact moment that made kunal change his thoughts with mishti and he became neutral by tying that thread in her hand ( an establishment of their bond on neutral terms ) and now we can see a good progress in their relationship....like in this scene, abir was an important link to make kunal tie that thread with mishti , same in the future he became a reason kunal decided to be neutral with mishti ...I have never denied the progress ruhi , it's there we all can see , there is a start of a friendship which we can see , I have a problem with the way your first post was written, in a way indicating that kunal's every action post leap was to reconcile with mishti, which was not in my opinion...that's all ...otherwise I am always in favour of their progression


But I absolutely agree that kunal has been trying so well to maintain balance in all his relationships which is absolutely wonderful...I even said this earlier on your thread only that more than mishnal, I am happy the way kunal has progressed as a character and has developed all his relationships in a beautiful way post leap ...😳

i dont think kunal wants to be neutral with mishti after leap...

see when meenu said to kunal,after mishbir rishta fix and abir leaving them as kunal gave prenup papers, abir announces he want to leave this after GD with baba and mishti, then meenu says what ever happening in their life, like abir leaving them is because of mehul but not because of mishti, so kunal never bought his haterd for mishti after that scene and he even asked meenu after mehul exit that she is happy with mishti or not, then meenu says, im not happy that mishti is in my son's life and kunal doubted her intention but meenu changes her statement saying, will u be happy if she comes to this house, then kunal says mushkil hain par i dont have any grudge or other thing against her, im okay with it, so for me he wants to give a chance or be neutral to mishti but when kuhu asked kunal, you are giving mishti a chance then why dont you give a chance to our relation, then kunal clearly said i dont want to be in this marriage.


even at tym of shivaratri too, he says mishti bhai ke liye sahi sochti hain, he expressed his anger infront of kuhu but he never said a word to mishti, as she took decision for his bhai, when kunal clealrly cant tolerate anyone to take decision for his bhai, the trust kunal shown on mishti is on mishnish shaadi day where he fought with MAH to stop wedding and even with abir how u r letting mishti go, by saying BHAI vo MISHTI hain, if kunal wants to be neutral or will he listen to his bhai then he should listen when abir when he wants to levae mishti as mishti asked abir to let her go but he tried to make everyone understand that this mishnish shaadi is not good, even kunal believed mishti that abir is not at lake side and he even said to meenu that mishti ran away from her mandap for his bhai and she wont say lie and we may not find bhai but mishti humesha bhai ko doond leti hain so i believe her...


for me he is trying from his side as his place is secured that abir wont leave him nor mishti will be in between them as he always thought his bhai will leave them if mishti become his life partner...

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ruhi19

i dont think kunal wants to be neutral with mishti after leap...

see when meenu said to kunal,after mishbir rishta fix and abir leaving them as kunal gave prenup papers, abir announces he want to leave this after GD with baba and mishti, then meenu says what ever happening in their life, like abir leaving them is because of mehul but not because of mishti, so kunal never bought his haterd for mishti after that scene and he even asked meenu after mehul exit that she is happy with mishti or not, then meenu says, im not happy that mishti is in my son's life and kunal doubted her intention but meenu changes her statement saying, will u be happy if she comes to this house, then kunal says mushkil hain par i dont have any grudge or other thing against her, im okay with it, so for me he wants to give a chance or be neutral to mishti but when kuhu asked kunal, you are giving mishti a chance then why dont you give a chance to our relation, then kunal clearly said i dont want to be in this marriage.


even at tym of shivaratri too, he says mishti bhai ke liye sahi sochti hain, he expressed his anger infront of kuhu but he never said a word to mishti, as she took decision for his bhai, when kunal clealrly cant tolerate anyone to take decision for his bhai, the trust kunal shown on mishti is on mishnish shaadi day where he fought with MAH to stop wedding and even with abir how u r letting mishti go, by saying BHAI vo MISHTI hain, if kunal wants to be neutral or will he listen to his bhai then he should listen when abir when he wants to levae mishti as mishti asked abir to let her go but he tried to make everyone understand that this mishnish shaadi is not good, even kunal believed mishti that abir is not at lake side and he even said to meenu that mishti ran away from her mandap for his bhai and she wont say lie and we may not find bhai but mishti humesha bhai ko doond leti hain so i believe her...


for me he is trying from his side as his place is secured that abir wont leave him nor mishti will be in between them as he always thought his bhai will leave them if mishti become his life partner...


Okay ruhi , I think we are again going in rounds n rounds on this... ....either ways hum log same soch nahi rakhte hai on this ...we have a different interpretation on the progression of the bond ..so let's keep it that waiy ...you are thinking the bond has grown more deep and I am yet to see that ..toh its better if we leave this now , because I don't see we are getting convinced by each other's thoughts here 👍🏼


Also , if you have time, watch episode 216 , which clearly defines kunal's pov on what lead to change him and his thought process for misbbir ...kunal himself has got many dialogues to define where he was coming from, his scene with jugnu was a direct insight into his heart and that was the exact time he started changing according to me ...a big truth about his life made him walk on the path where he started nurturing his relationship on a honest level ..

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Onyourface


Okay ruhi , I think we are again going in rounds n rounds on this... ....either ways hum log same soch nahi rakhte hai on this ...we have a different interpretation on the progression of the bond ..so let's keep it that waiy ...you are thinking the bond has grown more deep and I am yet to see that ..toh its better if we leave this now , because I don't see we are getting convinced by each other's thoughts here 👍🏼


Also , if you have time, watch episode 216 , which clearly defines kunal's pov on what lead to change him and his thought process for misbbir ...kunal himself has got many dialogues to define where he was coming from, his scene with jugnu was a direct insight into his heart and that was the exact time he started changing according to me ...a big truth about his life made him walk on the path where he started nurturing his relationship on a honest level ..

we are happily agree to disagree here... yes i can remember 216 where kunal has monologe and he changed his approach...


uru...im not saying u to agree with me yar... but these scenes are clear impact that kunal is taking baby steps atleast for me...

so that the reason i can see kunal graph more than its shown...but still i need a convo between kunal and mishti or some monolouges

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Posted: 5 years ago
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If I may jump in here...


Quite frankly, I personally don't understand the obsession with wanting to see Kunal and Mishti's bond strengthen (sorry for not mincing my words here, I'm just trying to be honest). It won't really do much in terms of development for either character to get along. The fact of the matter is, Kunal will always see it as his duty to accept his older brother's wife (and in this case, happiness), no matter who she is.


Even if we did see Kunal and Mishti getting along, I don't know if it would be completely believable. There are several well fleshed-out reasons as to why Mishti and Kunal didn't get along in the first place. In order to evaluate these characters and their relationships, it's always a good exercise to try putting yourself in their shoes. Personally, if I look at it from Kunal's point of view (and I'm offering his POV because that's what I see the most clearly), Mishti will always be the girl that stood him up and broke off their relationship in front of both families without a second thought to his feelings. She will always be that girl who makes decisions impulsively (without thinking about their implications), and then watches the consequences unfold and affect people around her. And unfortunately for Kunal, these people usually end up being the people he loves and cares about. On the other hand, when we look at it from Mishti's point of view (and I had to think on this for a while, because Mishti's POV is a little harder for me to understand, seeing as how she doesn't seem to have the same kind of multi-dimensional thought when it comes to her relationships), Kunal will always be the guy that always looked down upon her, and wasn't quick to understand and accept her relationship with Abir. And the thing about both these characters is that neither one of them are quick to forgive and forget.


I think the turning point in their relationship that many people may have seen was when Kunal asked her for her insight on the topic of birth parents. But I, for one, didn't really see it as anything at all. If I've understood Kunal correctly, he asks everyone, literally everyone for advice. Heck, he's the same guy that asked Jugnu out of all people for advice about love! So I really didn't make much of that scene.


The bottom line is, Kunal is the type of person that forges relationships that he sees as necessary to keep his family intact. And when it comes to his "relationship" (if you even want to call it that) with Mishti, it's important to remember that there's a reason why Kunal fell for Kuhu, Mishti's polar opposite (and I think that says a lot about what Kunal couldn't accept in Mishti, and what Mishti couldn't accept in Kunal). Even if their relationship were to develop, I don't see it being anything beyond Kunal feeling obligated to accept her because she's what keeps Abir happy. Because Kunal knows that as long as Abir is happy, the family will stay together.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: journalgirl321

If I may jump in here...


Quite frankly, I personally don't understand the obsession with wanting to see Kunal and Mishti's bond strengthen (sorry for not mincing my words here, I'm just trying to be honest). It won't really do much in terms of development for either character to get along. The fact of the matter is, Kunal will always see it as his duty to accept his older brother's wife (and in this case, happiness), no matter who she is.

we are not obssesed with mishti and kunal bond, like other bonds in the show, this bond has its own charm... so i just want to light that charm...

so for u kunal just accepts his elder bro wife , even it gives happiness to him or not, so kunal should accept mishti, if not immediately but after some time he should accept her as his bro loves her, but kunal made sure every possibility to keep mishti away from him , either its good way or bad way... kunal just didnt like or hate mishti under influence of meenu, when meenu questioned kunal did mishti say about her birth parents to him during court ship phase, kunal said NO and he got angry but abir asked him , did she try then kunal remember, mishti wants to open up but he didnt give her chance and he defended mishti infront meenu saying, its unitentional and they are honest and he only honesty in his relation... so kunal is aperson who needs honesty than anything...


Even if we did see Kunal and Mishti getting along, I don't know if it would be completely believable. There are several well fleshed-out reasons as to why Mishti and Kunal didn't get along in the first place. In order to evaluate these characters and their relationships, it's always a good exercise to try putting yourself in their shoes. Personally, if I look at it from Kunal's point of view (and I'm offering his POV because that's what I see the most clearly), Mishti will always be the girl that stood him up and broke off their relationship in front of both families without a second thought to his feelings. She will always be that girl who makes decisions impulsively (without thinking about their implications), and then watches the consequences unfold and affect people around her. And unfortunately for Kunal, these people usually end up being the people he loves and cares about. On the other hand, when we look at it from Mishti's point of view (and I had to think on this for a while, because Mishti's POV is a little harder for me to understand, seeing as how she doesn't seem to have the same kind of multi-dimensional thought when it comes to her relationships), Kunal will always be the guy that always looked down upon her, and wasn't quick to understand and accept her relationship with Abir. And the thing about both these characters is that neither one of them are quick to forgive and forget.

hold on dear....


mishti and kunal had a clear cut talk when mishti said NO, she clearly ek dusre ke point prove karne ke liye hum rishte nahi nibhana chahiye, for me mishti said NO only to him but all the family came out as they both are not coming inside, so technically mishti never said NO infront of family, mishti even after knowing what ever she liked in kunal is done abir, even tough she thought of taking forward, but when kunal said its like a deal and courtship is choti project and for this silly courtship he troubled abir, to get dates fixed and shayri, ballonns, everything,then mishti literally broke, final nail coffin was when kunal said he cant believe mishti as his father did harm to maa, then mishti broke as she needs her life partner to trust her than love her, so mishti said NO to him and kunal is not in right senses to take mishti's words but mishti clearly "YE KOSISH NAHI KARNA NAHI CHAHTA THA AUR MEIN KISI AUR SE KOSHISH KARWANA NAHI CHAHTA" , so kunal was never in that relation nor he want to try to get to know the girl, he just need a person who listens to him and do what he wants and says, he clearly said this mishti, I ALWAYS DID WHAT EVERYONE SAID BUT I WANT MY LIFE PARTNER TO DO EVERYTHING FOR ME". i hope u can understand my words as u have seen more kunal's POV right?


coming to your point, if u remember first epi of our show, where kuhu says to waiter when he asks mishti's food order, kuhu says " she will first read this menu 2 times then she will analyse what will be reaction if she eats this item or that item, then she again checks everything and then she finally decides, so mishti is girl who takes time and thinks twice in food then think what will be her thoughts about life partenr?


Mishti never thinks impulsively and she dont think of implications, mishti is over thinker not impulsive thinker, she always had a analysis of what people will feel if she takes the step, she thinks more and thats the her decisions are always at end not at start, for example, if mishti is a impulsive thinker then she should say she doesnt like kunal's rishta or kunal when kunal blindely said all words to mishti,but mishti understood that she has no proof to make kunal to show her side and she is not at fault.


you said both mishti and kunal are not easily forgive and forget, but for me mishti is easily forgive and forget and in some cases kunal too, mishti easily forgives kuhu, kunal, meenu, etc., mishti never shown keeping any grudges for them, even tough they hurt her, she just want to keep good things and be positive, she let go off person easily...


if u say mishti is not a person who dont forgive and forget, then she should never forgive or forget what kunal did to her after rishta break up, meenu just made kunal's male EGO up, if u remember kunal had a monolouge where he says, im not this kind of person and i never insult girls or do any that kind of stuff, so kunal also easy to forgive and forget but just his male EGO is shown...


finally your point, mishti never gave damn to kunal feelings, like really kunal ever gave any damn importance to mishti's feelings? he just dont want to break the rishta because he had a heart break, so he dont want anyone to undergo it... so he never break the rishta...


do u really think a girl should accept a guy, even after knowing he dont trust her, its just a deal for him?


for your info, kuhu is a impulsive thinker, she just act on what she see but never think of consequences, best example is when kunal spiked nannu's drink, kuhu is ready to say for family that kunal spiked the nannu's drink but mishti stopped her.



I think the turning point in their relationship that many people may have seen was when Kunal asked her for her insight on the topic of birth parents. But I, for one, didn't really see it as anything at all. If I've understood Kunal correctly, he asks everyone, literally everyone for advice. Heck, he's the same guy that asked Jugnu out of all people for advice about love! So I really didn't make much of that scene.


i dont know why u think mishti and kunal's turning point is , kunal asking advice to mishti on birth parents, but for me, as me and nandu said earlier, its preleap thing when kunal is happily want to have a bond with her bhabhi, in more pankh scene and when meenu said to kunal, abir is going away not because of mishti but because of mehul... so kunal left his things for misht at that scene only, if u clearly go trough that epi, GD of mishbir and kuku talk on card ceremony and meenu kunal talk on card ceremony...


kunal takes advices from the person he thinks of, for god sake dont demean kunal, as he just asked jugnu about love, he is CEO of a company he has good brain but he dont know how to reciprocate it...


as dont like mishnal so u never want to analyse it, so u can never see depth of it, its fine as its your POV...


if u really want to give a try then see epi 216 where kunal analyses how abir still loves mishti and mishti too loves him , so he wants them together and in one scene kunal said to parul all this happened because of me and i supported maa, in nannu's spike issue, because kunal had a rough idea when mishbir met with accident in jungle, out of all people kunal aksed mishti is she fine? i mean the same kunal who never bothered to hurt and demean mishti asked her well being?


from his words from parul and abir its clear that, kunal hold responsible for nannu's spike kaand and that lead too mishbir going too much...


The bottom line is, Kunal is the type of person that forges relationships that he sees as necessary to keep his family intact. And when it comes to his "relationship" (if you even want to call it that) with Mishti, it's important to remember that there's a reason why Kunal fell for Kuhu, Mishti's polar opposite (and I think that says a lot about what Kunal couldn't accept in Mishti, and what Mishti couldn't accept in Kunal). Even if their relationship were to develop, I don't see it being anything beyond Kunal feeling obligated to accept her because she's what keeps Abir happy. Because Kunal knows that as long as Abir is happy, the family will stay together.

kuhu is not opposite of mishti, kuhu is opposite of kunal, so kunal fell for her, if u remember epi before holi, abir gave a push to accept a marriage proposal, kuhu made him realise past doesnt matter at is past, so kunal fell or like kuhu at that tym only, kunal was ready for rishta as its kuhu not mishti, but meenu ne rishta swap kiya, kunal was not ok with mshti from first meeting only, kunal always bother about kuhu's felings than mishti's feelings, kunal always think about how kuhu felt when maa ne rishta badal diya, i should say sorry to kuhu, even kunal asked mishti about kuhu so that he can sorry to her...

I: if u think, kunal accepts mishti just because she keeps abr happy then kunal should accept mishti long back not now, even when mishti didnt accept or realised her feelings for abir but he seen how mishti and abir feel each other, the hug after pub drama by shwet...

hey thanks for putting ur POV...

but there are many things i wont agree... i dont know how much u seen the show or how many epi u seen continously... as per me i seen whole show 2 times without nay FF and with missing any epi...


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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ruhi19

we are happily agree to disagree here... yes i can remember 216 where kunal has monologe and he changed his approach...


uru...im not saying u to agree with me yar... but these scenes are clear impact that kunal is taking baby steps atleast for me...

so that the reason i can see kunal graph more than its shown...but still i need a convo between kunal and mishti or some monolouges


Of course we can ...kunal was talking baby steps but the motivation was abir all the way not mishti my friend, that's what nandu is also trying to say...pre leap and post leap for all the major parts ...read her paragraph again

That's exactly where Kunal-Mishti (devar-bhabhi) bond stands - like many of you have already said, it relies on the supporting basis of ABIR. At that point of time in the story, Kunal had decided to put aside his animosity and grudge for Mishti and accept the rishta only for Abir's happiness. That's it! nothing more. He didn't take any step forward towards reconciling his personal relation with Mishti


You agree with nandu's post but when I am writing the samw thing as nandu you are putting up a different opinion on me ...so I don't really understand what are you thinking ...however since you agree with nandu's post and so do I, her post makes it clear that the depth of the bond is yet to be seen but definitely there is start of a friendship...so lets see if we can really get something that brings us all on the same page ...🤗

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Of course we can ...kunal was talking baby steps but the motivation was abir all the way not mishti my friend, that's what nandu is also trying to say...pre leap and post leap for all the major parts ...read her paragraph again

That's exactly where Kunal-Mishti (devar-bhabhi) bond stands - like many of you have already said, it relies on the supporting basis of ABIR. At that point of time in the story, Kunal had decided to put aside his animosity and grudge for Mishti and accept the rishta only for Abir's happiness. That's it! nothing more. He didn't take any step forward towards reconciling his personal relation with Mishti


You agree with nandu's post but when I am writing the samw thing as nandu you are putting up a different opinion on me ...so I don't really understand what are you thinking ...however since you agree with nandu's post and so do I, her post makes it clear that the depth of the bond is yet to be seen but definitely there is start of a friendship...so lets see if we can really get something that brings us all on the same page ...🤗

Uru if only CV is interested in showing their dynamics Dan we might get good story ABT their friendship

D think is dat mishnal is based on abir and will always be based on him . If nly CV tries to show their progression they will huv more relativistic relationship and something interesting not unidimensional

But dey got actors like rhea and rithvik though dey got few scenes but their performance in those scenes were power pact and audience appreciate it so CV thought no need to show any progression for them just make them ok suddenly .

P.s deep down I miss mishti n Kunal confrontation scenes those were lit and moreover they r really Tom and Jerry type I still now laugh at dat slap and how dare u 🤣 from navrati abir really had tough time controlling both

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