MISHNAL PROGRESSION - Page 5

Originally posted by: ruhi19

hey daya...

my intention of post is just to see progression of their dynamics and changes in kunal...

the who never wanted and always insulted is making efforts may be he is doing for his bhai but it doesnt mean he can trust mishti blindly... so my point is if we are deep analysing each and every character with their basic traits then why not kunal...

he is always a man of actions than words and he is not sugar coated, what he is he is on face... the hate he kept for mishti is just because of meenu's influence warna he could have hurt with mishti's rejection but itna jyada nahi hota...

u can give long replies...i dont mind😉

Agree that he is pretty direct, and I think he appreciates it also when people are direct with him. It's possible that now he's over his hatred for Mishti, he is able to appreciate that trait of hers better. She is also very straight-forward.

The hatred for Mishti was definitely fueled by Meenu but he also disliked being rejected again, and so publicly, so it was easy for Meenu to fan those flames. You or someone mentioned this in one of the earlier posts I think.

This one is just for mishnal relationship na? Kunal character analysis would involve so many more people. Abir aur Meenu ke bina toh ho hi nahi sakta 😆

Good you don't mind my long replies - hote hote hote lambe ho jate hain 😃

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Agree that he is pretty direct, and I think he appreciates it also when people are direct with him. It's possible that now he's over his hatred for Mishti, he is able to appreciate that trait of hers better. She is also very straight-forward.

The hatred for Mishti was definitely fueled by Meenu but he also disliked being rejected again, and so publicly, so it was easy for Meenu to fan those flames. You or someone mentioned this in one of the earlier posts I think.

This one is just for mishnal relationship na? Kunal character analysis would involve so many more people. Abir aur Meenu ke Nina toh ho hi nahi sakta 😆

Good you don't mind my long replies - hote hote hote lambe ho jate hain 😃

yes we are talking about kunal characteristics and esply kunal and mishti...

kunal cant handle rejection due to his past and he knows pain of a break up so he never wanted mishti go trough it when they are in relation nor he want abir go trough it which indirectly hinted towards mishti too...

on card ceremony day he said "mein apna bhai ka break up celebrate nahi karta" and he asked many times to abir behind his actions and words used against mishti... so he is concerned for her too as abir will never behave with mishti like that...

kunal ki character analysis ke liye ek aur post open karna padega with all ppl, meenu, abir,parul, kuhu naanu, ketu. mami and mama...

Originally posted by: Kendrix

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I somewhat agree with rest of the other points , but we will see when kunal or mishti does something / talk something, solely on the basis of their own individual things and not because of any external factors or motivations supported by concrete and clear dialogues and scenes showing kunal's thought process !

i too would love to see their individual thought process yaara.❤️..par i doubt we shall get one given the fact we are high time deprived of ML& FL 's POV on many matteres lately😒..nevertheless , hoping against hope for the best 👍🏼

I really loved how u took efforts to reply to my post dr ..i mean an analysis post..never had a chance to debate with u na ..so it felt special 😳 (well by this time u could have figured me out to be an annoyingly emotional person at times..par yes that I am , cudnt help much re ) .. & i loved this to the core Uru ❤️...looking forward for more 😉..ofcourse if u agree to do so 😆

now waiting even more eagerly for ur take on my vignette series...u promised to read...yaad haina meri behana 😉

Meera, thank you for caring enough such long replies, I enjoy it jab aapke emotions bahar aa jaate hai and I love long kathas so please carry on but I didn't really get the summary of the karha , so you are trying to say kunal does everything on his own and doesn't get influenced? Well he is both , he does get influenced but he is generally aware of wha he is into ! He allows the influence on him only when he sees the person as trust worthy, my point of bringing the parul mishti thing was , kunal just wanted an opinion from someone else , there are not much ppl in the rajvansh house where he would have gone for an opinion so mishti it was that's all , and I think your post also hints at that only on major parts , it doesn't really establish and depth cuz he just kept the opinion in mind and that's all ..in the end its abir who again him a strong opinion which motivated him to a certain direction , even abir agrees on that when mishti asked him did he have a role to play in kunal's decision to make to accept parul publicly! But just once if he really asked mishti about her parents n all, its still a progression but not much cuz in the end its abir's opinion that mattered to him !

And regarding character point of povs, mishti gets it for most of the part, abir doesn't even get in important scenes and it is what it is , also however more of lwas of povs we get of mishbir , it is enough to relate and understand them but in this case, we don't have any of kunal's pov to establish any basic depth of the mishnal bond !

it's just the initial basics that's all that they have started being neutral towards each other and have started connecting because of external factors that's all , but if you say kunal now considers mishti at par with abir , meenu , it's highly doubtful especially if we want to believe that kunal's actions post leap are really motivated by mishti , they weren't please !

Now I can see how happy you are with the debate sessions with me And I am enjoying it too but we are going rounds and rounds here cuz I can't see we are coming to a common point ...so we can happily agree to disagree on this...on a unanimous level , we all believe there is a progression, the difference is just in the depth of the bond where some believe that kunal's actions post leap were all motivated by mishti which I won't agree at all , that clearly would he an underestimation of kunal's and his emotions towards his brother as well his mother !

And yes I will definitely read your vignettes series I think by now you know I am much vocal about my opinions and I really mean what I say ...its always good to have any discussions with you guys yaaron ❤️

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Meera, thank you for caring enough such long replies, I enjoy it jab aapke emotions bahar aa jaate hai and I love long kathas so please carry on but I didn't really get the summary of the karha , so you are trying to say kunal does everything on his own and doesn't get influenced? Well he is both , he does get influenced but he is generally aware of wha he is into ! He allows the influence on him only when he sees the person as trust worthy, my point of bringing the parul mishti thing was , kunal just wanted an opinion from someone else , there are not much ppl in the rajvansh house where he would have gone for an opinion so mishti it was that's all , and I think your post also hints at that only on major parts , it doesn't really establish and depth cuz he just kept the opinion in mind and that's all ..in the end its abir who again him a strong opinion which motivated him to a certain direction , even abir agrees on that when mishti asked him did he have a role to play in kunal's decision to make to accept parul publicly! But just once if he really asked mishti about her parents n all, its still a progression but not much cuz in the end its abir's opinion that mattered to him !

And regarding character point of povs, mishti gets it for most of the part, abir doesn't even get in important scenes and it is what it is , also however more of lwas of povs we get of mishbir , it is enough to relate and understand them but in this case, we don't have any of kunal's pov to establish any basic depth of the mishnal bond !

it's just the initial basics that's all that they have started being neutral towards each other and have started connecting because of external factors that's all , but if you say kunal now considers mishti at par with abir , meenu , it's highly doubtful especially if we want to believe that kunal's actions post leap are really motivated by mishti , they weren't please !

Now I can see how happy you are with the debate sessions with me And I am enjoying it too but we are going rounds and rounds here cuz I can't see we are coming to a common point ...so we can happily agree to disagree on this...on a unanimous level , we all believe there is a progression, the difference is just in the depth of the bond where some believe that kunal's actions post leap were all motivated by mishti which I won't agree at all , that clearly would he an underestimation of kunal's and his emotions towards his brother as well his mother !

And yes I will definitely read your vignettes series I think by now you know I am much vocal about my opinions and I really mean what I say ...its always good to have any discussions with you guys yaaron ❤️

so my reply took the interpretative turn i guess 😆.....my bad Uru darl😳..

koi nahi i will try again 😉 😆 & m damn sure u wont mind 😃

so let me give summary of the katha now 😆...

the sightings of various scens were to just emphasis just that

Kunal makes the final call as to what he wants do ...

he does get infuenced at times..but he backs off if he feels what he does is wrong..

but he expects validation for the decisions he makes..

i was never saying Kunal's action was motivated by mishti re ...

his perception abt Mishti changed after many dramatic events & so he helped his bhai get the love of his life..

i thought i was rather clear in my first post where i said we cant see that level of comfort in their bonding which a typical itv devar -bhabhi have..they still have to reach there..

but they have surely reached the stage of friends who are concerned abt EO 😛

i just wanted to convey that the one scene where he discusses with mishtu abt real parents was not overboard and it s still a station in the train of their realtionship which was reached at the right time not b4time is wat i feel ma👍🏼

the bond is sitll under the tag of WIP par it s at the correct pace is what i feel dr 😳

nevertheless...it will be refreshing to see some POV scenes for many characters atleast post lockdown..fingers crossed 😊 ..

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Meera, thank you for caring enough such long replies, I enjoy it jab aapke emotions bahar aa jaate hai and I love long kathas so please carry on but I didn't really get the summary of the karha , so you are trying to say kunal does everything on his own and doesn't get influenced? Well he is both , he does get influenced but he is generally aware of wha he is into ! He allows the influence on him only when he sees the person as trust worthy, my point of bringing the parul mishti thing was , kunal just wanted an opinion from someone else , there are not much ppl in the rajvansh house where he would have gone for an opinion so mishti it was that's all , and I think your post also hints at that only on major parts , it doesn't really establish and depth cuz he just kept the opinion in mind and that's all ..in the end its abir who again him a strong opinion which motivated him to a certain direction , even abir agrees on that when mishti asked him did he have a role to play in kunal's decision to make to accept parul publicly! But just once if he really asked mishti about her parents n all, its still a progression but not much cuz in the end its abir's opinion that mattered to him !

And regarding character point of povs, mishti gets it for most of the part, abir doesn't even get in important scenes and it is what it is , also however more of lwas of povs we get of mishbir , it is enough to relate and understand them but in this case, we don't have any of kunal's pov to establish any basic depth of the mishnal bond !

it's just the initial basics that's all that they have started being neutral towards each other and have started connecting because of external factors that's all , but if you say kunal now considers mishti at par with abir , meenu , it's highly doubtful especially if we want to believe that kunal's actions post leap are really motivated by mishti , they weren't please !

Now I can see how happy you are with the debate sessions with me And I am enjoying it too but we are going rounds and rounds here cuz I can't see we are coming to a common point ...so we can happily agree to disagree on this...on a unanimous level , we all believe there is a progression, the difference is just in the depth of the bond where some believe that kunal's actions post leap were all motivated by mishti which I won't agree at all , that clearly would he an underestimation of kunal's and his emotions towards his brother as well his mother !

And yes I will definitely read your vignettes series I think by now you know I am much vocal about my opinions and I really mean what I say ...its always good to have any discussions with you guys yaaron ❤️

Italics : Kunal action post leap towards mishti changed because his perception ABT her changed . He just accepted her as his brother's wife and respect her as a person . Abt bond which I said earlier it's yet to form

Bold: I don't know how many will agree with me with all this progression and all ,it has actually narrowed d scope of performance for rithvik . Don't get me wrong here if u see post leap except 2- 3 scenes rithvik is just used for comedy or silly scenes. I guess as a performer rithvik is much more capable than dat . Birth revelation maximum 2 scenes which should huv been more dat was his plot . Accepting Parul as mother also dey should huv more episodes. As a performer he deserve

kunal when he was grey rithvik performance was phenomenal . Der he really got good scope to perform now it's just disappointment for his role

Well I am sorry if dis post come out as rude

Originally posted by: ruhi19

meera even i would love to see a heart to heart convo between mishti and kunal or even their monoluges... as u said...yeha pe leads ki nahi milti tho kisi aur ka kya milega?

haan ruhi 😒..par due to new rules..they can have more of monologues actually..they can use this to clear up many things re

chalo dhektheh hai..kya miltha hai humeh😛

Originally posted by: Kendrix

haan ruhi 😒..par due to new rules..they can have more of monologues actually..they can use this to clear up many things re

chalo dhektheh hai..kya miltha hai humeh😛

Originally posted by: ruhi19

so many of AT members are annoyed with MISHNAL equation and how come they became sweet-devar bhabhi when kunal never liked MISHTI...

here is my view on them and their equation...

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Are you trying to say that its more performance oriented and and very less of character or story or bond oriented ?

If yes , then it's the exactly the point that I am trying to make, don't misunderstand me , I am very much in favour of mishnal progression here but I wasn't really talking about Twitter but the way this post is written...I am not getting the depth of the bond ...it makes me feel as if kunal's actions post leap were highly inspired by mishti which helped them to establish a smooth bond , I don't really find that, kunal's motivations behind his actions were abir , sometimes meenu's pressure and sometimes to put up with kuhu's demand, I hardly see any personal motivation for him to be in good terms with mishti, hence I don't really find much substance there , that's all ...I am strictly being story oriented.. also I feel for mishnal , the bond was rushed because story vise they wanted to go kubir v mishnal ( fight purpose) hence I found the bond too sweet too soon !

Performance vise , absolutely, loved rhea and ritvik in all the scenes, their confrontations scenes used to bring the best out of them !

Originally posted by: Sarcastic_me

it is more performance oriented actually . Y should I misunderstand u ? because believe me I preferred tashan of kushti more . Der scenes were lit and their confrontation scenes r turning point of d story

But how I see d story my guess is dat first he was helping mishbir because he felt guilty . Now I feel he is kind of neutral towards her because even after knowing d truth of their break up mishti not even for once argued with abir or held Kunal guilty . She never said d truth to her family which actually would huv helped mishbir . Dat actually changed his perception ABT her . Dat's it

But even now dis bond is dependent on abir . Kunal respect her as a person .

Well dat's how I perceive their scenes ryt now .the bond between Kunal and mishti is yet to develop . It's just mutual respect for each other

Originally posted by: Onyourface

May be sometimes the tone comes across as too critical so I thought i should clarify from my side

I do see things way too differently here

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Bold 1 - again, the focus is abir, that's what I am trying to say ....if I remember correctly, mishti was visibly upset in the scene but kunal mostly didn't notice to ask her either , that's what I said, they bond over abir at major parts !

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So , yes I do agree there is a positive and a welcoming change in their relationship and definitely kunal respects mishti as a person and is accepting towards her , he definitely followed her advice and apologised to parul when mishti made him understand, that was an awesome scene but I am yet to see the "depth" of the bond , I hope one day I will be able to hype them too over and above their performances ... till then Work In Progress And yes of course I want the bond to go stronger !

More than mishnal I am generally happy with the way kunal's character has progressed in the show ...I mean the progression is remarkable

Originally posted by: sandhiya_1195

Hey Ruhi

I find the Mishnal bond & relationship to be one of the most genuine ones in the show.Those two fight it out tooth &nail,call out each other and finally now are showing warmth & care towards the other.So whatever stand it may be,it's on the face value.

Regarding the time span, it's not that they shared deep enemity, it was just a matter of misunderstanding & insecurity from Kunal's side and now all is well ,so I don't find it too soon. And yes Abir is the link which ultimately holds them up as of now.

Originally posted by: Kendrix

great write up Ruhi darl ...

their scenes were limited but were fair enough to showcase the stage by stage progression their bond went thro'/to be exact going through is wat i feel ..

to me their relation is still in progress...i dont feel ke they have reached that comfort level of bhabhi - devar which we get to witness in many other itv soaps ....for me it is like they wer ppl who couldnt stand eachother but now have accepted EO wholeheartedly as their family & have turned friends who can share talks & concerns

as many things have been discussed upon spot on..i will just add my 2 cents on few scenes i loved..

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Ruhi, your description of the progression is awesome. They have come a long way. Just one point I want to make - I don't think the Mishnal bond became too sweet too soon because I don't think it's really that sweet . Both of them are not really directly emotionally invested in the other person. As Uru mentioned, I also feel that they matter to each other because of others (esp. Abir) involved, and so they are able to give and receive advice and talk to each other in a way that is sometimes not possible if you are emotionally invested.

P.S. Trying to keep my comments shorter

First of all this entire thread is absolute GOLD! So insightful, profound and just interesting to read 👏👏

Each and every person has beautifully outlined and explained their pov, whilst balancing the difference of opinions👍🏼👏#goals

THIS thread is exactly what this forum needs - healthy, back-to-back debates, deep discussions🥳👏

I don't have much to add since everything has been covered😆

I have @bold/highlighted those statements that I completely agree with👍🏼

I believe this small scene gives an almost perfect summary/idea of the current MISH-BIR-NAL equation😊:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBSyx3aDNWF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Key words:

"bhabhi ke saath rishte gehra karne ke liye maine bhai ke support liya hai tho use intelligence kehte hai"

That's exactly where Kunal-Mishti (devar-bhabhi) bond stands - like many of you have already said, it relies on the supporting basis of ABIR. At that point of time in the story, Kunal had decided to put aside his animosity and grudge for Mishti and accept the rishta only for Abir's happiness. That's it! nothing more. He didn't take any step forward towards reconciling his personal relation with Mishti. However, now we see him gradually taking those baby steps towards breaking the ice, by believing in mishbir's strength of love etc. And he has started talking to his bhabhi like an acquaintance and perhaps some hints of friendship. But other than that, both of them are simply being cordial and neutral towards one another (of course Mishti never had any hatred for him, so her natural feeling towards Kunal is solely on the basis of how important nanko is to Abir).

There were a few key major conversations or at least monologues that are missing in that chaotic storyline with nish-mish shaadi, Kunal's birth truth and then mishbir's shaadi. Many things are left hanging, hence the mish-nal bond doesn't quite feel complete yet.

Anyway, looking forward to see some hopefully meaningful conversations between these three characters to strengthen their respective bonds🤗

Originally posted by: yrhpk_aus

I believe this small scene gives an almost perfect summary/idea of the current MISH-BIR-NAL equation😊:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBSyx3aDNWF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Key words:

"bhabhi ke saath rishte gehra karne ke liye maine bhai ke support liya hai tho use intelligence kehte hai"

That's exactly where Kunal-Mishti (devar-bhabhi) bond stands - like many of you have already said, it relies on the supporting basis of ABIR. At that point of time in the story, Kunal had decided to put aside his animosity and grudge for Mishti and accept the rishta only for Abir's happiness. That's it! nothing more. He didn't take any step forward towards reconciling his personal relation with Mishti. However, now we see him gradually taking those baby steps towards breaking the ice, by believing in mishbir's strength of love etc. And he has started talking to his bhabhi like an acquaintance and perhaps some hints of friendship. But other than that, both of them are simply being cordial and neutral towards one another (of course Mishti never had any hatred for him, so her natural feeling towards Kunal is solely on the basis of how important nanko is to Abir).

There were a few key major conversations or at least monologues that are missing in that chaotic storyline with nish-mish shaadi, Kunal's birth truth and then mishbir's shaadi. Many things are left hanging, hence the mish-nal bond doesn't quite feel complete yet.

Anyway, looking forward to see some hopefully meaningful conversations between these three characters to strengthen their respective bonds🤗

Wow nandu ! Never knew this scene was like a foreshadowing of the upcoming events in mishbirNal equation, very well explained yaara 👏👏this sums up all the amazing discussions of this thread ❤️

Bold and italics - perfectly summed up !