MISHNAL PROGRESSION - Page 7

Double post

Originally posted by: journalgirl321

If I may jump in here...

Quite frankly, I personally don't understand the obsession with wanting to see Kunal and Mishti's bond strengthen (sorry for not mincing my words here, I'm just trying to be honest). It won't really do much in terms of development for either character to get along. The fact of the matter is, Kunal will always see it as his duty to accept his older brother's wife (and in this case, happiness), no matter who she is.

Even if we did see Kunal and Mishti getting along, I don't know if it would be completely believable. There are several well fleshed-out reasons as to why Mishti and Kunal didn't get along in the first place. In order to evaluate these characters and their relationships, it's always a good exercise to try putting yourself in their shoes. Personally, if I look at it from Kunal's point of view (and I'm offering his POV because that's what I see the most clearly), Mishti will always be the girl that stood him up and broke off their relationship in front of both families without a second thought to his feelings. She will always be that girl who makes decisions impulsively (without thinking about their implications), and then watches the consequences unfold and affect people around her. And unfortunately for Kunal, these people usually end up being the people he loves and cares about. On the other hand, when we look at it from Mishti's point of view (and I had to think on this for a while, because Mishti's POV is a little harder for me to understand, seeing as how she doesn't seem to have the same kind of multi-dimensional thought when it comes to her relationships), Kunal will always be the guy that always looked down upon her, and wasn't quick to understand and accept her relationship with Abir. And the thing about both these characters is that neither one of them are quick to forgive and forget.

I think the turning point in their relationship that many people may have seen was when Kunal asked her for her insight on the topic of birth parents. But I, for one, didn't really see it as anything at all. If I've understood Kunal correctly, he asks everyone, literally everyone for advice. Heck, he's the same guy that asked Jugnu out of all people for advice about love! So I really didn't make much of that scene.

The bottom line is, Kunal is the type of person that forges relationships that he sees as necessary to keep his family intact. And when it comes to his "relationship" (if you even want to call it that) with Mishti, it's important to remember that there's a reason why Kunal fell for Kuhu, Mishti's polar opposite (and I think that says a lot about what Kunal couldn't accept in Mishti, and what Mishti couldn't accept in Kunal). Even if their relationship were to develop, I don't see it being anything beyond Kunal feeling obligated to accept her because she's what keeps Abir happy. Because Kunal knows that as long as Abir is happy, the family will stay together.

Obsession - I honestly can't believe how involved I am with all the characters in this show. I don't know if I've spent as much time thinking about my real-life relationships the way I do about the relationships between those in the show 😆.

I do think Kunal and Mishti's relationship is completely an extension of their relationship with Abir, and we haven't really been shown anything beyond that. Kunal's point of view I see slightly differently. Mishti most certainly broke up with him and hurt him, especially after he decided to go ahead with the wedding solely because he saw she and her family were being bad-mouthed, but I don't think his feelings were ever engaged where Mishti was concerned. He was definitely upset, but more so because she refused to compromise and accept what he felt was a huge concession on his part (and for him, it really was). I don't even think he was thinking in terms of her hurting his feelings by refusing him, but more on how it would look to others (which was the reason he wanted to go ahead with the GD). He did need to get over that feeling and accept that just because she hurt him, she would not hurt his brother, and he did start to do that around MishBir GD as Nandu mentioned. Later he found Abir was right in knowing how Mishti thinks (when he was able to get her to go to Abir by talking about an accident) and he also figured out she would do anything for Abir since she left her wedding to search for him based on a feeling that something was wrong. That's why he is so ready to listen to her when it comes to Abir during Mahashivratri time. He trusts her to take care of Abir, and for him, that's huge.

Re. Mishti, I don't think she behaves impulsively at all. Most of the problems arise because she over-thinks and waits too long to do something, but Ruhi has already explained that quite well in her post. I would add that she knows Kunal doesn't like her much and that he had his reasons, but she didn't think Kunal was right to ask Abir to choose between the two of them and mentioned that to him. I don't think she ever thought she had anything she had to forgive Kunal for or that Kunal had to forgive her for (not in Kunal's mind, but hers). You would only think you need forgiveness if you think you made a mistake, and in her mind, saying no to a relationship that was not right was not a mistake.

I disagree that Kunal asks anyone for advice about anything. He seems to have reasons for why he asks whoever it is. This is how I see it - he tries to ask someone not personally involved in the situation, and where he might get a completely different perspective. He asked Kuhu why Mishti asked for courtship because he thought she might understand her reasoning better. He asked Jugnu for relationship advice because what Jugnu said helped him understand Abir (not the same thing at all, but I'm saying Kunal had a reason) and he knows Jugnu has helped MishBir. He asked Parul if Abir keeping Meenu away from his wedding was right. And finally, he asked Mishti about birth parents because the situation is similar. She has birth parents she doesn't think of as parents, and is quite happy with the parents she has now. He clearly feels the same, but is feeling a pressure to acknowledge Parul, so he wants to know why it isn't the same. I think what Mishti says in response (about the reason why they were given up and that it matters if the person loves them) resonates with him.

Kunal has already accepted Mishti as his brother's wife. He may have done it for Abir, but it's done. I do agree though that there is no personal relationship beyond that.

I am replying to this thread, though not in an effort to change your perspectives, but in an effort to get a differing viewpoint out there in public (that's one thing I love about IF being a public forum; the threads filled with differing perspectives are often those that give silent readers surfing the forum a more meaningful, deeper insight regarding the show).

It's completely possible for a person to correct in their place, but still end up hurting the person in front of them. Mishti wasn't wrong to break off the rishta with Kunal. In fact, it's good that she did, because I think the two of them would've ended up killing each other if they had gotten married. It was wise on her part to break it off before it was too late. However, that being said, Kunal's feelings weren't invalid either. He had already been dumped by a girl he thought truly cared for him, and just when he thought he had a chance at a fresh start with an individual that would appreciate him for him (and thus, ridding himself of the "rejected" tag), that relationship is broken off as well, on the basis of Mishti feeling a lack of compatibility with him (again, I'm not faulting her for this!). I remember when he said (not verbatim, obviously), "people think that when an alliance is broken off, the girl faces a lot of pain. But, the fact of the matter is that the boy gets equally hurt and pained by it." Just because Mishti was right in her place, doesn't automatically make Kunal wrong in his. If that kind of duality existed in the real world, friendships and relationships would never function due to people constantly invalidating the other person's feelings.

Coming to the point about the Kuhu-Kunal-Mishti dynamic that I had briefly referred to, I don't feel that Kuhu is the opposite of Kunal at all actually. Sure, Kuhu is bubbly, loud, and outspoken, while Kunal tends to come off as shy, introverted, and quiet. But those are surface level traits. Kuhu and Kunal actually have very similar priorities in life. They both value their families' happiness above everything (and before someone says that Kuhu doesn't because she's a selfish brat, it's important to remember that she's the same girl that sucked it up for her family and tried to move on when Kunal was about to get married to Mishti, and she's the same girl that secretly lived in a loveless marriage for months so as to not upset both families), their worlds revolve around their mothers, and they are both extremely pragmatic and rational when it comes to both forging relationships and keeping them intact. I'm not saying that Mishti doesn't have those traits, but she certainly exhibits them differently (again, differently, not incorrectly). This is why Kunal was and is attracted to Kuhu, and couldn't hit it off with Mishti.

It's 100% possible for two people to just not be able to click. Exploring a dynamic in which two people don't click (to no fault of either party) is pretty reflective of what the real world looks like, and I appreciate the show for doing that. The fact of the matter is that you just can't get along with everyone, no matter how hard you try. And that's completely fine!

P.S. I kind of think it's unfair to invalidate my perspective because I may not have binged the show multiple times. Just because a perspective is different, doesn't mean it's wrong or inaccurate. It's just how you choose to interpret the characters. I'm sure you didn't mean any harm by it though. Hugs!

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Kunal has already accepted Mishti as his brother's wife. He may have done it for Abir, but it's done. I do agree though that there is no personal relationship beyond that.

@bold: exactly

since these are all fictional characters so we are all free to interpret the show & the characters as we like but following are the scenes & incidences which were significant in development of Mishnal & help in clarifying their equation

pre-leap:

1. kunal had no problem with Mishti rejecting him, his only problem was that she did it in front of everyone, there is even a monologue of him where he says 'agar rishta nahi karna toh mat karo, par akele mein bolo na aise publicly humiliate toh mat karo'

2. kunal was ready to marry any girl of Meenu's choice, thats why he was okay with rishta swap when abir objected to it(after coming from Maheshwaris), he clearly says 'main usi ladki se shaadi karunga jisse maa chahengi, par maa aapko aise mujhse bina poochhe rishta nahi badalna chahiye tha kyunki jo kuchh ho raha hai wo mere naam par ho raha hai'

3. kunal strongly believed 'mishti bhai ko humse dur kar rahi hai' and 'Mishti bhai ke saath bhi wahi karegi jo mere saath kiya, public humiliation by rejecting him', 'Mishti bhai ka dil todegi, main apne bhai ko uss dard se nahi guzarne dunga' and he thought he was protecting abir & his family from the pain that Mishti will cause

4. even after MA GD, when kunal senses Meenu's discomfort in accepting Mishti (episode 177), there is a scene in Kunal's room, where Meenu says to him that she is happy that kunal has forgiven Mishti & is moving on, but kunal says 'bhula toh main kuchh bhi nahi hun & na hi kabhi bhulunga, par Mishti ko hate karne mein main bhai ko pyaar karna bhool gaya tha' & 'main bhai ko kabhi apne aur Mishti mein choose karne nahi dunga'

5. after MA breakup, kunal asks abir 'bhai ye sab kya tha' & abir says 'tujhe toh khush hona chahiye, you always wanted me to break-up with Mishti', 'you hate her, you should celebrate now' & kunal retorts 'main apne bhai ka breakup celebrate nahi kar sakta', he was only concerned about abir, if he had any concern for Mishti since his bhai broke up with her & so she would be unhappy & devastated, he would have made an attempt to show that concern or apologise to Mishti but he didnt, because he didnt care about her at all

6. when kuhu asks kunal 'I wish tum hamari shaadi ko bhi ek chance dete jaise tumne Mishti ko diya', he doesnt say anything & leaves when jugnu calls him (it was clearly an incomplete conversation & one of the significant scenes in kuku love story)

post-leap:

7. when kunal comes to know that Mishti is back & has a boyfriend:

a) he was concerned for abir, how it would affect him, since he was still single

b) and he was shocked to see her move-on so fast, he even said 'jo ladki mere bhai ko mujhse zyada pyaar karne aur samajhne ka daava karti thi wo itni jaldi(in 2months) mere bhai ko bhool kar kaise move-on kar sakti hai'

8. after kunal comes to know that abir chose him over mishti, and that scene with jugnu where jugnu tells that he always knew that abir still loves mishti, kunal decides to re-unite MA because abir lost Mishti coz of him, he even says 'ab bhai aur koi sacrifice nahi karenge, main Mishti ko bhai ke liye choose karta hun'

(in later episodes, after kunal accepts parul publicly, during red pears inauguration ceremony, when kuhu gets hurt and is bandaging her hand, kunal says 'agar mujhse kuchh galat hota hai toh mujhe usko theek karna bhi aata hai', in MA case kunal was doing exactly this, sudharoing his galti)

Originally posted by: journalgirl321

I am replying to this thread, though not in an effort to change your perspectives, but in an effort to get a differing viewpoint out there in public (that's one thing I love about IF being a public forum; the threads filled with differing perspectives are often those that give silent readers surfing the forum a more meaningful, deeper insight regarding the show).

It's completely possible for a person to correct in their place, but still end up hurting the person in front of them. Mishti wasn't wrong to break off the rishta with Kunal. In fact, it's good that she did, because I think the two of them would've ended up killing each other if they had gotten married. It was wise on her part to break it off before it was too late. However, that being said, Kunal's feelings weren't invalid either. He had already been dumped by a girl he thought truly cared for him, and just when he thought he had a chance at a fresh start with an individual that would appreciate him for him (and thus, ridding himself of the "rejected" tag), that relationship is broken off as well, on the basis of Mishti feeling a lack of compatibility with him (again, I'm not faulting her for this!). I remember when he said (not verbatim, obviously), "people think that when an alliance is broken off, the girl faces a lot of pain. But, the fact of the matter is that the boy gets equally hurt and pained by it." Just because Mishti was right in her place, doesn't automatically make Kunal wrong in his. If that kind of duality existed in the real world, friendships and relationships would never function due to people constantly invalidating the other person's feelings.

Coming to the point about the Kuhu-Kunal-Mishti dynamic that I had briefly referred to, I don't feel that Kuhu is the opposite of Kunal at all actually. Sure, Kuhu is bubbly, loud, and outspoken, while Kunal tends to come off as shy, introverted, and quiet. But those are surface level traits. Kuhu and Kunal actually have very similar priorities in life. They both value their families' happiness above everything (and before someone says that Kuhu doesn't because she's a selfish brat, it's important to remember that she's the same girl that sucked it up for her family and tried to move on when Kunal was about to get married to Mishti, and she's the same girl that secretly lived in a loveless marriage for months so as to not upset both families), their worlds revolve around their mothers, and they are both extremely pragmatic and rational when it comes to both forging relationships and keeping them intact. I'm not saying that Mishti doesn't have those traits, but she certainly exhibits them differently (again, differently, not incorrectly). This is why Kunal was and is attracted to Kuhu, and couldn't hit it off with Mishti.

It's 100% possible for two people to just not be able to click. Exploring a dynamic in which two people don't click (to no fault of either party) is pretty reflective of what the real world looks like, and I appreciate the show for doing that. The fact of the matter is that you just can't get along with everyone, no matter how hard you try. And that's completely fine!

P.S. I kind of think it's unfair to invalidate my perspective because I may not have binged the show multiple times. Just because a perspective is different, doesn't mean it's wrong or inaccurate. It's just how you choose to interpret the characters. I'm sure you didn't mean any harm by it though. Hugs!

@bold - I agree and I didn't really mean to say that (I did say that though). To clarify, what I was a trying to say is that his heart wasn't engaged, and most definitely, whether the heart is engaged or not being rejected hurts (whether it is a fishtailing or a job offer), so you are right about that.

For the rest, the way I view Kunal's thought process is different and I just wanted to put it out there. Didn't really intend to try to change anyone's perspective on that.

Actually in the begin i used adore Kunal character a lot but after Mishti break the alliance he used to get into my nerves😔but i have always wish to see Kunal the way he is shown now understanding and supporting in way he can to Mishti even before lockdown episode he understand Mishti more and was giving Abir gyaan regarding how is Mishti 😃 this Kunal has come a long way❤️

Originally posted by: LiNdASoUmZ

Actually in the begin i used adore Kunal character a lot but after Mishti break the alliance he used to get into my nerves😔but i have always wish to see Kunal the way he is shown now understanding and supporting in way he can to Mishti even before lockdown episode he understand Mishti more and was giving Abir gyaan regarding how is Mishti 😃 this Kunal has come a long way❤️

i love to see sweet kunal and tashans between mishnal too...

I did not get a chance to read all the comments in this thread - but thought I'll just share my 2 cents on Mishnal.

Kunal and Mishti pairing looked good together. I love Mishbir - but Mishnal definitely had something. Also Kunal seemed to respect Mishti and had zero concerns with her being his wife before Mishti broke the relationship. Even with ample opportunity Kunal did not entertain breaking the relationship with Mishti. He was ok with marrying her. And that is completely opposite to his equation with Kuhu. If anything with Kuhu being his third relationship - Kunal should have been more terrified of the relationship breaking, however even with that - he could not stomach marrying Kuhu. He strongly reacted to Mishti's rejection - more than any person really needs to and went to such lengths to insult her. Love or hate when the emotion is so strong - its compelling. It took him a lot of time post marriage to start liking Kuhu. Even now his body language towards Kuhu is not one of strong emotion but a comfortable equation where he never puts Kuhu first. They never show it - but I've always speculated if it will ever surface that Kunal actually liked Mishti a lot. Which would explain his previous reactions...but I don't think the CVs will go there - may rattle the Kuku club...but it's not a long stretch to think - given what has been shown in the show so far.

Originally posted by: priyapak

I did not get a chance to read all the comments in this thread - but thought I'll just share my 2 cents on Mishnal.

Kunal and Mishti pairing looked good together. I love Mishbir - but Mishnal definitely had something. Also Kunal seemed to respect Mishti and had zero concerns with her being his wife before Mishti broke the relationship. Even with ample opportunity Kunal did not entertain breaking the relationship with Mishti. He was ok with marrying her. And that is completely opposite to his equation with Kuhu. If anything with Kuhu being his third relationship - Kunal should have been more terrified of the relationship breaking, however even with that - he could not stomach marrying Kuhu. He strongly reacted to Mishti's rejection - more than any person really needs to and went to such lengths to insult her. Love or hate when the emotion is so strong - its compelling. It took him a lot of time post marriage to start liking Kuhu. Even now his body language towards Kuhu is not one of strong emotion but a comfortable equation where he never puts Kuhu first. They never show it - but I've always speculated if it will ever surface that Kunal actually liked Mishti a lot. Which would explain his previous reactions...but I don't think the CVs will go there - may rattle the Kuku club...but it's not a long stretch to think - given what has been shown in the show so far.

Kunal was never attracted to Misti.He wanted to marry her only & only bec of his mother.Even during courtship his equation with her looked force but he was his own self with kuhu.He was more into kuhu than Misti even in CS.After rishta swap he use to find excuse to spend time with kuhu for apology,to help her in cleaning her hand ,to ask about Misti's pov ,to buy a present for Misti.Also no fiancee will give his partner gift to her sister .If wedding had happened then I am sure within 1mth they would have filed for divorce maybe even less .

Originally posted by: priyapak

I did not get a chance to read all the comments in this thread - but thought I'll just share my 2 cents on Mishnal.

Kunal and Mishti pairing looked good together. I love Mishbir - but Mishnal definitely had something. Also Kunal seemed to respect Mishti and had zero concerns with her being his wife before Mishti broke the relationship. Even with ample opportunity Kunal did not entertain breaking the relationship with Mishti. He was ok with marrying her. And that is completely opposite to his equation with Kuhu. If anything with Kuhu being his third relationship - Kunal should have been more terrified of the relationship breaking, however even with that - he could not stomach marrying Kuhu. He strongly reacted to Mishti's rejection - more than any person really needs to and went to such lengths to insult her. Love or hate when the emotion is so strong - its compelling. It took him a lot of time post marriage to start liking Kuhu. Even now his body language towards Kuhu is not one of strong emotion but a comfortable equation where he never puts Kuhu first. They never show it - but I've always speculated if it will ever surface that Kunal actually liked Mishti a lot. Which would explain his previous reactions...but I don't think the CVs will go there - may rattle the Kuku club...but it's not a long stretch to think - given what has been shown in the show so far.

As part of the KuKu club, I would like to say it won't rattle us because the day CVs would have to go in that direction, it would mean that they are out of plots and there is no other way left to gain trps except to ruin their characters, and tab tak, most of us would have stopped seeing the show. I say this because as we all know, the most important people for Kunal are his Bhai and Maa. He prioritises them and their feelings above his own. And that is why he never entertained the idea of breaking up with Mishti because Meenu chose her for him.

All that being said, I love that the foremost reason for this thought was that they looked good together.

Btw, this thread was for MishNal, the brother and sister in law and not MishNal, the couple.🤭