Abir - the family guy??? - Page 12

Originally posted by: MishBirStruck

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Agar soch hi galat ho toh I don't want to argue.Have a Good Day😊

Originally posted by: NamrataRa

Agar soch hi galat ho toh I don't want to argue.Have a Good Day😊

Correct soch hi delusional Ho to kar bhi kya sakte, Good day 👍🏼

Originally posted by: NamrataRa

Agar soch hi galat ho toh I don't want to argue.Have a Good Day😊

Why not.. maybe try clickbait and then try and dress it up as an attempt to discuss.. oh but for that one needs to have an open mind and a willingness to listen.

Originally posted by: Appu1981

Why not.. maybe try clickbait and then try and dress it up as an attempt to discuss.. oh but for that one needs to have an open mind and a willingness to listen.

😆dear they have popcorns with them to enjoy when we give long long explanation on our favorites, they're enjoying our galat soch, we're very useful for them you see, entertain Kar rahe hai hum unhe

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Arre now I have to watch CID but I'm not sure it's available to watch in the US 😊

Frustration toh dikh raha tha, sometimes we just need to vent, but dhyaan se 😆 No issues about not participating, but I did intend that thread to discuss all characters in that thread, so you might find it interesting.

Unpopular opinions, yes, it does take a lot to put yourself out there when you already know your opinion puts you in the minority and you still keep doing that 👏! I just love posts that are sometimes the complete opposite of what I think because it makes me wonder if I'm justifying something or just think differently. It also gives me a completely different take on the scenario. I also love posts that are able to articulate what I'm trying to say better than I can like uru's 😆

About Abir being perceptive, there are many instances they show where Abir puts completely unrelated things together to come up with the right answer - one I can think of is Naman Agarwal being Mishti's father. They also show he understands people and why they behave as they do and how they might behave. He's also (presumably) the only one not buying BB's act of liking Mishti right now. Another thing is that being perceptive is an important trait to have to manipulate people, and Abir and BB both clearly can manipulate others.

Yes, Parul and Naanu told him baba was not right and he does acknowledge that they might be right but he still wants to find out the truth for himself. Naanu expressed his dislike, but he still hadn't told him then that it was his baba who has committed the fraud. It was expressed as if his baba did not want his mom to help naanu and Abir wanted to find out why. That was the time to tell him his baba was the one to commit the fraud and show him the newspapers, but it wasn't done. I mean, if you were going to do it the next day, why not then?

Regarding trust, I agree that trusting family should come naturally. There are different kinds of trust, Abir trusts people to behave according to their nature, whoever it is. With Mishti it is based on how he has seen her behave in different circumstances. So far she has not broken his trust (partly because he already knew she was in rajgad on KC day, which meenu did not know). With baba alone it was based on a (remote and biased) memory, and once that trust was broken, he walked away from him without a second glance. Parul warns Meenu of this character trait of his one time afterwards (can't recall when exactly).

He trusts Kunal to blindly believe Meenu. As for the others, he says to Mishti that he's not sure what is making naanu behave as he's doing (yeah, you made me go back and watch ) before he left for mumbai and then found out that naanu had once again not told him he won't meet his father there, nor had Parul or Kaushal. He trusts Parul and Kaushal to be on BB's side in this, as he says to Parul - he is not asking her any questions since he doesn't want her to betray her friend. Kaushal keeps asking him to wait/listen to BB (I might have missed if he had said more, did he?)

There are 2 ways to look at this - all these people in my life are trying to keep me away from this person, so perhaps they're right that he's not a good person, or, all these people are influenced by my mom who is trying to keep me away my father without giving me a solid reason as to why. He already has no trust for Meenu, especially after all the stunts she had pulled.

How would an adult show they can handle the truth? You can only show that if you have been shown the truth first right? The man is looking for answers. Give it to him and then see how he deals with it. He has shown many times that he values the truth, so if Meenu had chosen to tell him the truth things would have turned out differently. He might have checked it out for himself by going to Rajgad and maybe that's what Meenu didn't want - since that would have opened a whole new can of worms. [They didn't say how, but they did mention he was looking for baba, so can't explain how. It's just based on what was said.]

Arre I think the problem is that this particular issue, people are seeing from very different angles and we are not able to find a mid-point. According to you (and hope I'm not reading this wrong), he should trust his family's view on baba's matter and not selfishly try to find answers. He should let this go for the sake of family. For me, and perhaps others, the family has not shown itself to be trustworthy in the baba matter and Abir thinks that the truth will help his family break free of Meenu's influence (which made his brother almost leave a girl on the wedding day). Once he deals with baba though he does come back and apologize to his family for the way he behaved and felt terrible about it.

Meenu could have taken advantage of this, but she decided since his trust on baba was broken, she could break his trust on Mishti as well BUT she didn't realize that trust on baba being broken didn't automatically make him trust her. A topic for another day.

Abir is a beautifully flawed character. I think the problem is that most don't think of the point you brought up as a flaw. There are character flaws though, he is incredibly stubborn and doesn't listen when he's angry. For me, even his band-aid theory and the way he manipulated Kunal are not right (Kunal is also at fault here), but insaan hi toh hai! He forgives people way too easily as well.

You brought up his running away from issues and inability to accept truth. First is a valid point, he just ran away from the resort in frustration, but he is going back (thanks to Kunal). Inability to accept truth you will have to elaborate on coz I haven't seen that. Are you talking about how he's seeing the situation between Kuhu and Mishti? or Parul and Kunal? or something else?

Into the future - I'm waiting for the clash between meenu and abir. Why do you think it would be boring?

OK - if you aren't asleep by now after reading this thesis, and still remember the point, you can respond 🤣kitna likh diya 😆

Daya daya daya daya what have you done ? I read your post 4 times just to appreciate how effortlessly you summed up the whole thing even though many people have appreciated me on abir's description but the way you have written, this post deserves to be the most liked and appreciated post out here wish I could make it a sticky post

I just concentrated on the scenes that the TM mentioned and kept it limited to the points she raised , but you went many steps ahead and perfectly explained the psychology of abir , how perceptive he is , what exactly stopped him from trusting his own family members, the entire meen- abir dynamics from baba to break up track, abir's reaction, the motivations behind his reactions at every step Pehle kahan thi aap !

I also loved how you highlighted some of the major flaws in abir's character And what actually creates troubles for him and for others at times , I would like to share something here , about the flaws and the way they have been addressed in the story , or otherwise , feel free to correct , the thing is abir's flaws are not typically called out by anyone instead the character is

1. Continuously shown to be going in a self introspective mode , where he himself identifies his flaws, his mistakes, takes responsibility, takes corrective steps , apologises when needed and has that zeal to change things for good , to me he isn't just a character with flaws but a character who has the ability to go beyond the flaws and rise to become a better person, the perfect example is when he himself realised how his anger his jealusoy his uncontrolled emotions got over him and he refused to listen to mishti and even hurt her , but later was shown to be realising on his own on how wrong he went and accepted it that he messed up badly here , the other thing is when he himself says that how it was his fault that he trusts people way too much ( while confronting kunal on nishant drink thing )

2. Sometimes abir's character is shown to be taking advices from naanu and parul and even kunal and they highlight his flaws and show him the right direction, sometimes abir overthinks, waits for the right time to speak up and the delay costs him and others too , naanu brings him out from that zone , we have many examples , even parul pointed out once that he is overthinking and should share the real reason of break up with mishti no matter what , kunal like you pointed out in the latest episode was shown pointing out abir and and making him understand and so on

In short my point is, I don't feel that the story doesn't highlight his flaws or anything , its just abir is always on self introspection mode , open to opinions, so it becomes easy for him to accept and correct his flaws on time , it doesn't take him time to come to terms with it , it happens with other characters too , but comparitively with abir it's way too quick !

and I think thats why we address him as beautifully flawed !

Anyways, Maine zyada leekh diya I guess bhavnao mein beh ke

And I am also looking forward to abir v meenu in future I enjoy their dynamics I wait for their action reaction game

Originally posted by: Onyourface

Daya daya daya daya what have you done ? I read your post 4 times just to appreciate how effortlessly you summed up the whole thing even though many people have appreciated me on abir's description but the way you have written, this post deserves to be the most liked and appreciated post out here wish I could make it a sticky post

I just concentrated on the scenes that the TM mentioned and kept it limited to the points she raised , but you went many steps ahead and perfectly explained the psychology of abir , how perceptive he is , what exactly stopped him from trusting his own family members, the entire meen- abir dynamics from baba to break up track, abir's reaction, the motivations behind his reactions at every step Pehle kahan thi aap !

I also loved how you highlighted some of the major flaws in abir's character And what actually creates troubles for him and for others at times , I would like to share something here , about the flaws and the way they have been addressed in the story , or otherwise , feel free to correct , the thing is abir's flaws are not typically called out by anyone instead the character is

1. Continuously shown to be going in a self introspective mode , where he himself identifies his flaws, his mistakes, takes responsibility, takes corrective steps , apologises when needed and has that zeal to change things for good , to me he isn't just a character with flaws but a character who has the ability to go beyond the flaws and rise to become a better person, the perfect example is when he himself realised how his anger his jealusoy his uncontrolled emotions got over him and he refused to listen to mishti and even hurt her , but later was shown to be realising on his own on how wrong he went and accepted it that he messed up badly here , the other thing is when he himself says that how it was his fault that he trusts people way too much ( while confronting kunal on nishant drink thing )

2. Sometimes abir's character is shown to be taking advices from naanu and parul and even kunal and they highlight his flaws and show him the right direction, sometimes abir overthinks, waits for the right time to speak up and the delay costs him and others too , naanu brings him out from that zone , we have many examples , even parul pointed out once that he is overthinking and should share the real reason of break up with mishti no matter what , kunal like you pointed out in the latest episode was shown pointing out abir and and making him understand and so on

In short my point is, I don't feel that the story doesn't highlight his flaws or anything , its just abir is always on self introspection mode , open to opinions, so it becomes easy for him to accept and correct his flaws on time , it doesn't take him time to come to terms with it , it happens with other characters too , but comparitively with abir it's way too quick !

and I think thats why we address him as beautifully flawed !

Anyways, Maine zyada leekh diya I guess bhavnao mein beh ke

And I am also looking forward to abir v meenu in future I enjoy their dynamics I wait for their action reaction game

@red - ☺️

@blue - chup chup ke aap sab ki baatein padh rahi thi 🤣

@bold - True. I think this grates a little because other character's flaws are called out, sometimes spectacularly!

1. Yes he does. Taking responsibility and apologizing, trying to understand where he went wrong and correcting that - that's what makes us love the character and be so willing to forgive his flaws. Flaws toh sab ke hote hain. I guess it's the way you deal with you shortcomings.

He recently said he's glad Kunal knows the truth about his birth so he can start thinking for himself, and then he himself (subtly) manipulated him to bring the truth out. After the way Kunal's truth came out, he handled the crowd and then when Mishti asks him about it he explained his reasoning on why he did that when she brings up what a shock it was to everyone, especially Meenu. He's still thinking about it though. Later, when Parul comes to him, he's wondering if he made things worse for her (he did, but the point I'm trying to make is that he does register what's happening around him).

I think though that he's still not able to get Kunal's inability to accept Parul maasi as his mom simply because of his personal dynamics with Meenu. Someone should point out to him that not everyone in the family considers Meenu a monster 😆. Just as he's not able to accept the sisters' dynamics because he's not able to relate.

2. Abir's mistakes have cost him and others. He does try to make amends - he pretty much forced Kunal to marry Kuhu and to make up for that he supports Kuhu with her decisions. His too long wait was responsible for Nishant's heartbreak and that's why I think he didn't want to give him away to the others. And yes, he definitely seeks out advice from people he trusts and listens - another example is bringing Meenu to his wedding where he asked BP since he would be the one most affected by his decision.

Beautifully flawed indeed. Baat abir ki hai toh bhavnao mein behna hi tha 😊

Yes, I hope they make it interesting and intelligent (on both sides)!

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Arre now I have to watch CID but I'm not sure it's available to watch in the US 😊

Frustration toh dikh raha tha, sometimes we just need to vent, but dhyaan se 😆 No issues about not participating, but I did intend that thread to discuss all characters in that thread, so you might find it interesting.

Unpopular opinions, yes, it does take a lot to put yourself out there when you already know your opinion puts you in the minority and you still keep doing that 👏! I just love posts that are sometimes the complete opposite of what I think because it makes me wonder if I'm justifying something or just think differently. It also gives me a completely different take on the scenario. I also love posts that are able to articulate what I'm trying to say better than I can like uru's 😆

About Abir being perceptive, there are many instances they show where Abir puts completely unrelated things together to come up with the right answer - one I can think of is Naman Agarwal being Mishti's father. They also show he understands people and why they behave as they do and how they might behave. He's also (presumably) the only one not buying BB's act of liking Mishti right now. Another thing is that being perceptive is an important trait to have to manipulate people, and Abir and BB both clearly can manipulate others.

Yes, Parul and Naanu told him baba was not right and he does acknowledge that they might be right but he still wants to find out the truth for himself. Naanu expressed his dislike, but he still hadn't told him then that it was his baba who has committed the fraud. It was expressed as if his baba did not want his mom to help naanu and Abir wanted to find out why. That was the time to tell him his baba was the one to commit the fraud and show him the newspapers, but it wasn't done. I mean, if you were going to do it the next day, why not then?

Regarding trust, I agree that trusting family should come naturally. There are different kinds of trust, Abir trusts people to behave according to their nature, whoever it is. With Mishti it is based on how he has seen her behave in different circumstances. So far she has not broken his trust (partly because he already knew she was in rajgad on KC day, which meenu did not know). With baba alone it was based on a (remote and biased) memory, and once that trust was broken, he walked away from him without a second glance. Parul warns Meenu of this character trait of his one time afterwards (can't recall when exactly).

He trusts Kunal to blindly believe Meenu. As for the others, he says to Mishti that he's not sure what is making naanu behave as he's doing (yeah, you made me go back and watch ) before he left for mumbai and then found out that naanu had once again not told him he won't meet his father there, nor had Parul or Kaushal. He trusts Parul and Kaushal to be on BB's side in this, as he says to Parul - he is not asking her any questions since he doesn't want her to betray her friend. Kaushal keeps asking him to wait/listen to BB (I might have missed if he had said more, did he?)

There are 2 ways to look at this - all these people in my life are trying to keep me away from this person, so perhaps they're right that he's not a good person, or, all these people are influenced by my mom who is trying to keep me away my father without giving me a solid reason as to why. He already has no trust for Meenu, especially after all the stunts she had pulled.

How would an adult show they can handle the truth? You can only show that if you have been shown the truth first right? The man is looking for answers. Give it to him and then see how he deals with it. He has shown many times that he values the truth, so if Meenu had chosen to tell him the truth things would have turned out differently. He might have checked it out for himself by going to Rajgad and maybe that's what Meenu didn't want - since that would have opened a whole new can of worms. [They didn't say how, but they did mention he was looking for baba, so can't explain how. It's just based on what was said.]

Arre I think the problem is that this particular issue, people are seeing from very different angles and we are not able to find a mid-point. According to you (and hope I'm not reading this wrong), he should trust his family's view on baba's matter and not selfishly try to find answers. He should let this go for the sake of family. For me, and perhaps others, the family has not shown itself to be trustworthy in the baba matter and Abir thinks that the truth will help his family break free of Meenu's influence (which made his brother almost leave a girl on the wedding day). Once he deals with baba though he does come back and apologize to his family for the way he behaved and felt terrible about it.

Meenu could have taken advantage of this, but she decided since his trust on baba was broken, she could break his trust on Mishti as well BUT she didn't realize that trust on baba being broken didn't automatically make him trust her. A topic for another day.

Abir is a beautifully flawed character. I think the problem is that most don't think of the point you brought up as a flaw. There are character flaws though, he is incredibly stubborn and doesn't listen when he's angry. For me, even his band-aid theory and the way he manipulated Kunal are not right (Kunal is also at fault here), but insaan hi toh hai! He forgives people way too easily as well.

You brought up his running away from issues and inability to accept truth. First is a valid point, he just ran away from the resort in frustration, but he is going back (thanks to Kunal). Inability to accept truth you will have to elaborate on coz I haven't seen that. Are you talking about how he's seeing the situation between Kuhu and Mishti? or Parul and Kunal? or something else?

Into the future - I'm waiting for the clash between meenu and abir. Why do you think it would be boring?

OK - if you aren't asleep by now after reading this thesis, and still remember the point, you can respond 🤣kitna likh diya 😆

Arre! Nahi! That is some 15years worth of episodes. I didn't know that you didn't know what CID was. It was basically a bunch of detectives solving cases and every character had a specific takiya kalaam or they did something that was specific to their characters. Inspector Daya was the pro at breaking doors. He would break a door in almost every episode and even though the show didn't have an amazing plot or accuracy to it, I think all families would watch it on weekends to see their favourite character do their thing. Apparently, there is even a CID video game where his character does that.

I see what you mean by him being perceptive and I do agree that he uses it as an instinct as well as a manipulation tool. Regarding him being perceptive about Meenu though, I'd like bring in a different perspective though.

I think he is perceptive only when he is noticing a particular person carefully. So, like he was intrigued by Mishti and felt connected to her and that is why he noticed things. In case of Meenu, he just felt suffocated or saw her as a control figure. He only started suspecting her around the Baba track but that too was short lived. In my opinion, that was probably because the progression in Meenakshi's behaviour wasn't out of the ordinary. The tables turned when she told him to choose between Kunal and Mishti. That was when he saw Meenu in her actual avatar. It was so shocking for him that now, he can't seem to trust her at all. I feel that is the reason for him being so vary of BB, and not his perception. That quality does help him though.

Re. Baba: I know this thread started because of this but we are not going to reach anywhere because we are essentially repeating the same arguments. I agree about him getting to know about his Baba but I side with Meenu and gang because if he had found out even his name, tracing Mehul would have become very easy and in-turn bringing him back to their lives. Meenu sole efforts were directed towards Mehul and the boys never getting to meet each other because she anticipated mortal danger.

Re. inability to accept truth: He is definitely Meenu's son in this regard as well. It takes a lot from him to change his opinion about someone or see things that are different to how he wants them to be (Inability to accept truth thodi heavy handed line ho gayi yahaan, hai na? I basically meant him being unable to see things different from how he wanted) For instance, when he found out about Kunal divorcing Kuhu and Mishti telling him that Kunal ran away because he didn't want to get married, he couldn't accept that he was wrong about Kuhu and Kunal because he had shipped them from the beginning. Well, I wouldn't say the whole thing is his fault because Kunal was playing him but it was hard for him to see that Kunal made decisions for himself even though they were highly influenced, they were his decisions. That shift from realising that Kunal does not blindly follow his mother but rather does it because he is scared of the consequences that Meenu warned him of is still something that Abir does not fully realise. I should stop before my brain starts going ballistic over the 2 brothers and dissecting their relationship, and how much do they really know each other.

I'm intrigued on your take about Meenu trying to break Abir's trust on Mishti, or did you also wanted to say something different but words nahi mil rahe the?

When did I say that the clash between Meenu and Abir would be boring? It would be very interesting in my opinion because Meenu has upped her game and Abir has finally stepped into the field. Just realised this that Abir is not very perceptive (emphasis on very). He is just perceptive because he doesn't know what his mother is actually capable of. I say this because he attacked the biggest sore spot for Meenu thinking that it would make her weak and he is trying to take away the usual people she manipulates (Parul and Kunal) when instead this time, Mishti and Kuhu are at the target. He made her so much more dangerous since she doesn't really have anything left to lose now. The more he pulls the people away from her, the stronger and the more dangerous she will become, because she does still hold the power in the household. Ooooh! Writing this paragraph made me so excited for the show to come back. I love a good antagonist!

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Arre! Nahi! That is some 15years worth of episodes. I didn't know that you didn't know what CID was. It was basically a bunch of detectives solving cases and every character had a specific takiya kalaam or they did something that was specific to their characters. Inspector Daya was the pro at breaking doors. He would break a door in almost every episode and even though the show didn't have an amazing plot or accuracy to it, I think all families would watch it on weekends to see their favourite character do their thing. Apparently, there is even a CID video game where his character does that.

I see what you mean by him being perceptive and I do agree that he uses it as an instinct as well as a manipulation tool. Regarding him being perceptive about Meenu though, I'd like bring in a different perspective though.

I think he is perceptive only when he is noticing a particular person carefully. So, like he was intrigued by Mishti and felt connected to her and that is why he noticed things. In case of Meenu, he just felt suffocated or saw her as a control figure. He only started suspecting her around the Baba track but that too was short lived. In my opinion, that was probably because the progression in Meenakshi's behaviour wasn't out of the ordinary. The tables turned when she told him to choose between Kunal and Mishti. That was when he saw Meenu in her actual avatar. It was so shocking for him that now, he can't seem to trust her at all. I feel that is the reason for him being so vary of BB, and not his perception. That quality does help him though.

Re. Baba: I know this thread started because of this but we are not going to reach anywhere because we are essentially repeating the same arguments. I agree about him getting to know about his Baba but I side with Meenu and gang because if he had found out even his name, tracing Mehul would have become very easy and in-turn bringing him back to their lives. Meenu sole efforts were directed towards Mehul and the boys never getting to meet each other because she anticipated mortal danger.

Re. inability to accept truth: He is definitely Meenu's son in this regard as well. It takes a lot from him to change his opinion about someone or see things that are different to how he wants them to be (Inability to accept truth thodi heavy handed line ho gayi yahaan, hai na? I basically meant him being unable to see things different from how he wanted) For instance, when he found out about Kunal divorcing Kuhu and Mishti telling him that Kunal ran away because he didn't want to get married, he couldn't accept that he was wrong about Kuhu and Kunal because he had shipped them from the beginning. Well, I wouldn't say the whole thing is his fault because Kunal was playing him but it was hard for him to see that Kunal made decisions for himself even though they were highly influenced, they were his decisions. That shift from realising that Kunal does not blindly follow his mother but rather does it because he is scared of the consequences that Meenu warned him of is still something that Abir does not fully realise. I should stop before my brain starts going ballistic over the 2 brothers and dissecting their relationship, and how much do they really know each other.

I'm intrigued on your take about Meenu trying to break Abir's trust on Mishti, or did you also wanted to say something different but words nahi mil rahe the?

When did I say that the clash between Meenu and Abir would be boring? It would be very interesting in my opinion because Meenu has upped her game and Abir has finally stepped into the field. Just realised this that Abir is not very perceptive (emphasis on very). He is just perceptive because he doesn't know what his mother is actually capable of. I say this because he attacked the biggest sore spot for Meenu thinking that it would make her weak and he is trying to take away the usual people she manipulates (Parul and Kunal) when instead this time, Mishti and Kuhu are at the target. He made her so much more dangerous since she doesn't really have anything left to lose now. The more he pulls the people away from her, the stronger and the more dangerous she will become, because she does still hold the power in the household. Ooooh! Writing this paragraph made me so excited for the show to come back. I love a good antagonist!

Chalo CID chodo, at least context toh mil gaya. I was wondering only because someone in wattpad also commented about that. I vaguely remember my mom watching it, but I was more into books then 😊

He does feel suffocated by Meenu because she likes things her way and he does not think she is right all the time. He knew enough about her to know she had something to do with the police coming for Kuhu and Mishti at Ketu's sangeet (?), to know that she does not want the rishta for Kunal and go around her to at least give Kunal a chance to say no, to know Meenu changed the rishta on purpose, to suspect her when she suddenly gave in for kuku marriage (mishti convinces him that it is because he was injured - her naivety is for another discussion), and finally to figure out she had something to do with kunal's disappearance on the wedding day where he uses maasi to get her intentions out and then follows her to kunal. I would say he was quite aware of what meenu was doing well before baba track. The only things I can see he is still unaware of are meenu's hand in sweta's disappearance and reentry in kunal's life and that she started the email thing. He was always wary of BB.

Yes, we'll agree to disagree on the whole baba thing, but all the argument has made things much clearer for me including Meenu's perspective. So thanks for that!

Abir ka kya hai, ab hum yahan kya kar rahe hain? 🤣 Changing opinions and perceptions is very very very hard. I'm still trying to explain to you what a beautiful character abir is, and you are still trying to explain why you think he is wrong 😆

Blind trust sab ke bas ki baat nahi hai, and it can land you in trouble like it did Kunal when he followed meenu's directions and spiked nishant's drink, but they did show that he was suspicious after (he really knows meenu too) and tried to find out (and did) whether she knew about his addiction beforehand. That bit of blackmail Kunal does at that point is superb and meenu is very much taken aback and halfheartedly threatens him. Chalo, I'm going offtrack.

Re kunal - yes I agree that abir should understand kunal made his own decisions and that's what mishti tried to tell him navratri time. He finally had it out with kunal after nishant's spiking incident. He does say to mishti after the company renaming that it was kunal's decision but he did try to influence him. I think he does realize kunal is capable of making his own decisions now, but he also knows kunal can be influenced.

Meenu did try to break his trust on mishti first by trying to say she knew all along about baba and never told him using the whole KC incident of bangle left in rajgad. That she was more interested in her GD and marriage than showing him what a fraud he was. Abir figured out everything because he already knew where mishti was that day and he also knew she refused to run away and get married. That confrontation was brilliant and then the sequence in the car where he says "aap ek din bhi nahi rukh sakti thi" probably shows he still didn't trust her. Anyways, when she probably already knew that wouldn't work. That's why she had the other kunal naming ceremony card as plan b.

@bold - kabhi kabhi apni likhi hui baat padha ko 🤣 I extrapolated based on your querying what kept shaheer attracted to the character, but let's leave that now since you said you put down your thoughts while you were half-asleep.

@bold italics - I think you're misconstruing his reasoning for getting the whole kunal-parul secret out. He did it mainly (in my opinion) for Parul thinking to establish her place in kunal's life and the house, not necessarily to weaken meenu. I am basing this on how he sits outside wondering if parul being regarded as a servant is what made is easier for kuhu to let others blame her for the coffee pills fiasco. However, meenu took it as her standing being weakened (witness the whole dressing up as parul drama), and yes, he's well aware of that.

He is not yet aware of how she is using mishti-kuhu because he doesn't know everything that's happening between them yet. As uru says (this is based on what I read during my silent stalking days😆), koi usse kuch batata hi nahi and in the end he still has to manage everything. But he also wasn't ready to listen when mishti finally started talking - let's hope they sort that out soon.

Yes I too am hoping they have some good clashes for us going forward - they've had so much time to think of plot lines!

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Chalo CID chodo, at least context toh mil gaya. I was wondering only because someone in wattpad also commented about that. I vaguely remember my mom watching it, but I was more into books then 😊

He does feel suffocated by Meenu because she likes things her way and he does not think she is right all the time. He knew enough about her to know she had something to do with the police coming for Kuhu and Mishti at Ketu's sangeet (?), to know that she does not want the rishta for Kunal and go around her to at least give Kunal a chance to say no, to know Meenu changed the rishta on purpose, to suspect her when she suddenly gave in for kuku marriage (mishti convinces him that it is because he was injured - her naivety is for another discussion), and finally to figure out she had something to do with kunal's disappearance on the wedding day where he uses maasi to get her intentions out and then follows her to kunal. I would say he was quite aware of what meenu was doing well before baba track. The only things I can see he is still unaware of are meenu's hand in sweta's disappearance and reentry in kunal's life and that she started the email thing. He was always wary of BB.

Yes, we'll agree to disagree on the whole baba thing, but all the argument has made things much clearer for me including Meenu's perspective. So thanks for that!

Abir ka kya hai, ab hum yahan kya kar rahe hain? 🤣 Changing opinions and perceptions is very very very hard. I'm still trying to explain to you what a beautiful character abir is, and you are still trying to explain why you think he is wrong 😆

Blind trust sab ke bas ki baat nahi hai, and it can land you in trouble like it did Kunal when he followed meenu's directions and spiked nishant's drink, but they did show that he was suspicious after (he really knows meenu too) and tried to find out (and did) whether she knew about his addiction beforehand. That bit of blackmail Kunal does at that point is superb and meenu is very much taken aback and halfheartedly threatens him. Chalo, I'm going offtrack.

Re kunal - yes I agree that abir should understand kunal made his own decisions and that's what mishti tried to tell him navratri time. He finally had it out with kunal after nishant's spiking incident. He does say to mishti after the company renaming that it was kunal's decision but he did try to influence him. I think he does realize kunal is capable of making his own decisions now, but he also knows kunal can be influenced.

Meenu did try to break his trust on mishti first by trying to say she knew all along about baba and never told him using the whole KC incident of bangle left in rajgad. That she was more interested in her GD and marriage than showing him what a fraud he was. Abir figured out everything because he already knew where mishti was that day and he also knew she refused to run away and get married. That confrontation was brilliant and then the sequence in the car where he says "aap ek din bhi nahi rukh sakti thi" probably shows he still didn't trust her. Anyways, when she probably already knew that wouldn't work. That's why she had the other kunal naming ceremony card as plan b.

@bold - kabhi kabhi apni likhi hui baat padha ko 🤣 I extrapolated based on your querying what kept shaheer attracted to the character, but let's leave that now since you said you put down your thoughts while you were half-asleep.

@bold italics - I think you're misconstruing his reasoning for getting the whole kunal-parul secret out. He did it mainly (in my opinion) for Parul thinking to establish her place in kunal's life and the house, not necessarily to weaken meenu. I am basing this on how he sits outside wondering if parul being regarded as a servant is what made is easier for kuhu to let others blame her for the coffee pills fiasco. However, meenu took it as her standing being weakened (witness the whole dressing up as parul drama), and yes, he's well aware of that.

He is not yet aware of how she is using mishti-kuhu because he doesn't know everything that's happening between them yet. As uru says (this is based on what I read during my silent stalking days😆), koi usse kuch batata hi nahi and in the end he still has to manage everything. But he also wasn't ready to listen when mishti finally started talking - let's hope they sort that out soon.

Yes I too am hoping they have some good clashes for us going forward - they've had so much time to think of plot lines!

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Arre to aisa bolna tha na! I already know he is a beautiful character. I thought we were discussing his flaws because that's what this thread was about. Jaise maine pehle kaha, I know his qualities and why everyone loves him and what the good parts about his character are. I've been on this forum for quite a while now but the thing is that people only keep discussing how amazing he is. Har insaan me achhe aur bure traits hote hain and this thread is about the bure, which nobody, apart you and @journalgirl, has even mentioned.

Also, I don't want people trying to change my opinion. Why can't people just let it exist? Why do they have to try to bombard me and show me the other side (that I have already seen a thousand times)? That is why people are scared to share opinions and have to label it as "unpopular opinion". Why can't people just acknowledge other POVs can exist and try and understand those and then not try conforming them? We can hear each other out and that's it.

Not to say that I have never tried doing that but IF has played a huge part in making me understand that everyone does not have same life experience and thus will not see a particular thing in the same way I do. Yes, I can try and show them but can I change their opinion? No! and that's not the purpose of discussion. The point of the forum is to discuss different things. Same cheezon ke liye to AT hai hi.

Sorry! Pent up emotions the! Feels so much better to let them out.

@green: Oh yeah! Thanks for the refresher! That conversation had completely slipped. The only thing I still clearly remember is Meenakshi threatening Abir that she will announce to the world that Kunal is not her son, because they kept showing that scene in flashbacks.

Re. Shaheer: I have explained that in a previous reply to somebody. I forget who.

Anyway, I'll share a bit that someone sent me which was a very different perspective and really interesting too. Fair warning: You might not like the Abir mentioned here but try just seeing their opinion and acknowledging that it exists, and that maybe you see the same character differently.

To answer your question aqua, there is a lot for an actor like shaheer. When the show started I remember saying to a friend that seems like shaheer just took a role where he can be himself. Well seems like there is more to it. We were saying this a few days back. Abir seems like the guy shaheer actually is (and for the record I absolutely hate mixing real and reel lives)... happy go lucky... good looking... gets on with almost everyone... however the one thing that shaheer has absolutely perfectly nailed is Abir's sense of entitlement. It's an upgrade from Dev. Dev had a lot of help from the story and ishwari.

Abir is a controversial hero. He has flaws and the writers and makers are scared of addressing them. But they are not scared of leaving them there. It cannot be a coincidence so many of us have independently seen those flaws and come to this conclusion.

Shaheer carries that chip on Abir's shoulder very beautifully. That is why he gets under our skin. That is why we can see meenu's pain. If the day to day writers had their way, she would be an out and out villain. However, because of what Abir does to her, we can sympathise with her. I think that is why shaheer took this role. It's not a "negative" role. Its not your chocolate hero. It's not "grey".. it's just complicated... conflicted.. it's the guy every girl wants for herself but then some cannot imagine him as their life partner ever...

Re. Parul-Kunal: I am not misconstruing it. That's how I view the episode and after discussions, reading different views, and after rewatching the episode . Abir knew very well what he was doing i.e. killing two birds with one stone. Parul's feelings were definitely a catalyst but if that was the only case, he wouldn't have put that thought in Kunal's head right before a very public event. Khush to Parul tab bhi hoti agar akele kamre mein Kunal ne acknowledge kiya hota, and utni hi khush ya I would say zyada khush hoti.

What do mean by "has to manage everything"? He can leave it be and let them sort it out themselves. Kunal was doing that. He could have done the same thing. He probably does it because he feels responsibility because everyone keeps saying that "Abir sabko saath le kar chalta hai". I don't like that the Rajvanshs put the responsibility on their kid. He must have been hearing that line for so many years to feel that he needs to be the fixer in every fight. But also, I would assume that he also likes the the feeling of pride and fulfillment that must come from being praised. That can also be a motivator. Wow! Maine apne aap ke saath hi discussion kar liya!😆

Frankly, I am scared for when the show comes back because it will be a race for TRPs and that is never good for the story. I just hope they don't ruin the depth that I have come to appreciate in their race.

Originally posted by: aquaHP

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Arre to aisa bolna tha na! I already know he is a beautiful character. I thought we were discussing his flaws because that's what this thread was about. Jaise maine pehle kaha, I know his qualities and why everyone loves him and what the good parts about his character are. I've been on this forum for quite a while now but the thing is that people only keep discussing how amazing he is. Har insaan me achhe aur bure traits hote hain and this thread is about the bure, which nobody, apart you and @journalgirl, has even mentioned.

Also, I don't want people trying to change my opinion. Why can't people just let it exist? Why do they have to try to bombard me and show me the other side (that I have already seen a thousand times)? That is why people are scared to share opinions and have to label it as "unpopular opinion". Why can't people just acknowledge other POVs can exist and try and understand those and then not try conforming them? We can hear each other out and that's it.

Not to say that I have never tried doing that but IF has played a huge part in making me understand that everyone does not have same life experience and thus will not see a particular thing in the same way I do. Yes, I can try and show them but can I change their opinion? No! and that's not the purpose of discussion. The point of the forum is to discuss different things. Same cheezon ke liye to AT hai hi.

Sorry! Pent up emotions the! Feels so much better to let them out.

@green: Oh yeah! Thanks for the refresher! That conversation had completely slipped. The only thing I still clearly remember is Meenakshi threatening Abir that she will announce to the world that Kunal is not her son, because they kept showing that scene in flashbacks.

Re. Shaheer: I have explained that in a previous reply to somebody. I forget who.

Anyway, I'll share a bit that someone sent me which was a very different perspective and really interesting too. Fair warning: You might not like the Abir mentioned here but try just seeing their opinion and acknowledging that it exists, and that maybe you see the same character differently.

To answer your question aqua, there is a lot for an actor like shaheer. When the show started I remember saying to a friend that seems like shaheer just took a role where he can be himself. Well seems like there is more to it. We were saying this a few days back. Abir seems like the guy shaheer actually is (and for the record I absolutely hate mixing real and reel lives)... happy go lucky... good looking... gets on with almost everyone... however the one thing that shaheer has absolutely perfectly nailed is Abir's sense of entitlement. It's an upgrade from Dev. Dev had a lot of help from the story and ishwari.

Abir is a controversial hero. He has flaws and the writers and makers are scared of addressing them. But they are not scared of leaving them there. It cannot be a coincidence so many of us have independently seen those flaws and come to this conclusion.

Shaheer carries that chip on Abir's shoulder very beautifully. That is why he gets under our skin. That is why we can see meenu's pain. If the day to day writers had their way, she would be an out and out villain. However, because of what Abir does to her, we can sympathise with her. I think that is why shaheer took this role. It's not a "negative" role. Its not your chocolate hero. It's not "grey".. it's just complicated... conflicted.. it's the guy every girl wants for herself but then some cannot imagine him as their life partner ever...

Re. Parul-Kunal: I am not misconstruing it. That's how I view the episode and after discussions, reading different views, and after rewatching the episode . Abir knew very well what he was doing i.e. killing two birds with one stone. Parul's feelings were definitely a catalyst but if that was the only case, he wouldn't have put that thought in Kunal's head right before a very public event. Khush to Parul tab bhi hoti agar akele kamre mein Kunal ne acknowledge kiya hota, and utni hi khush ya I would say zyada khush hoti.

What do mean by "has to manage everything"? He can leave it be and let them sort it out themselves. Kunal was doing that. He could have done the same thing. He probably does it because he feels responsibility because everyone keeps saying that "Abir sabko saath le kar chalta hai". I don't like that the Rajvanshs put the responsibility on their kid. He must have been hearing that line for so many years to feel that he needs to be the fixer in every fight. But also, I would assume that he also likes the the feeling of pride and fulfillment that must come from being praised. That can also be a motivator. Wow! Maine apne aap ke saath hi discussion kar liya!😆

Frankly, I am scared for when the show comes back because it will be a race for TRPs and that is never good for the story. I just hope they don't ruin the depth that I have come to appreciate in their race.

About Abir's character (the part you put in bold), I realized after that I didn't really mean it that way exactly. But anyways, doesn't matter now.

Bure qualities - Uru ne bhi mention kiya hai aqua, especially how it is shown and dealt with in the show. It is harder to call out the bad qualities of an introspective character like Abir. It needs to be understood based on actions . Discussions of flaws alone cannot happen, you can only discuss the character as a whole. It's automatic. I've already mentioned why the flaw you mentioned in particular was not getting any traction. People can only discuss flaws if they consider it a flaw. Nandu, Pali and others also tried to address this.

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So, not really trying to change your mind, but explain my point of view. I was also pointing it out since you said Abir doesn't see things from others' point of view, that people usually don't 😊 and Abir is better at it than most.

Actually, I like this show because Meenu is not an out and out villain. There are so many times she has me feeling for her. It must be the fabulous acting of Rupal ma'am and Shaheer. I just think her thinking is wrong, and you think Abir's thinking is wrong. We can continue to think our way, I just like explaining the reasoning (on both sides) since it clears things up for me. I actually want to go through the whole show from Meenu's perspective just to try and get into her head. Let's see if I find the time.

Again, it's just a matter of how we view things - Meenu thinks she knows what is right for everyone and everything would be best if people just followed what she says and Abir thinks people should do what is right for them and is willing to fight to get them the freedom to do that (this is hard, and a little thankless). I sympathize more with Abir because I think people should be allowed to make their own choices (and mistakes). Anything in overdose is poison, and sometimes in his zeal, he doesn't realize that some people may not want that freedom.

I'm sure there are people who sympathize more with Meenu and that's ok too. You choose to (I'm presuming here) focus on how Abir is not listening to Meenu and hurting her, and I choose to focus on all Meenu does to make Abir toe her line and thus hurting him. Neither is wrong.

Entitlement - in what sense is it mentioned here? Maybe some context would help. Is it in the sense he has the security of a home? He grew up comfortably? Rich? Family was always there for back up? All of this? Because he's a guy? Having the freedom to leave the house whenever he feels like? I would love to know more, and promise not to take offense 😆.

Re Parul-Kunal - yes Parul would have been happy with Kunal accepting her. I meant more for everyone around to realize she was not a servant. Kunal already knew and that didn't stop anyone from blaming her for the pills. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Yes, he put it in Kunal's head, but he didn't make Kunal speak. I understand he influenced Kunal, and I agree. However, I still think Kunal is an adult and made his decision. I also like that Kunal is dealing with the aftermath of his decision, and so far, balancing without offending either of them.

Agree, it's kind of the curse of the eldest kid, more so in a joint family. They shouldn't put so much pressure on him, but they do. Some of the pressure he takes on himself but that's because he wants everyone to be happy. See, once again, just a different way of seeing things - you think he acts that way because he likes the praise and I think he does because he wants others to be happy. 😆

I know it can be overwhelming to reply to everything everyone says, but discussions continue when you respond, so pick and choose from comments, but do respond 😊.