Abir - the family guy??? - Page 11

I want to know the actors names who got their new

found stardom.If it is referred to Ritvik & Kaveri then it is such an contradictory statement.Is'nt they are sidies/extras who get normally 2or 3 minutes of ss sometimes 15 sec/nil, who are newbies & eating fruits of the leads hardwork ( not my words)& don't contribute anything to show's success 🙄( again not my words)

Originally posted by: SheThought

The child who cries the most or makes the most noise gets the most attention. Apne show ka bhi kuch aisa hi haal hai abhi... ek ko please aur highlight karne ke chakkar main lot of characters get flattened and butchered... #KyaKarein

Now, Shaheer is not the types to crib about others getting the limelight or his character getting less importance. He thinks long term, takes things in his stride and lets others in his show shine unlike some who in their newfound stardom now do not hesitate to compete even with him! In any case, if he thinks his character has gone down the dumps, he will know what to do na... why question his decision of taking up a show that he found exciting after reading the script and that too by citing examples of scenes that came after 100 some episodes and are passed another 175 after that?! Logic kuch samajh main nahin aaya... unless what you meant to say was his character is flattened, no scope to perform now, why is he still sticking around?

Haan, clickbait toh tha. Many of us already understood... dekho, we still came Aur aap ko bhi acche se pata tha Aqua, discussion toh yeh tha nahin. It was more like accusations and attack on Abir to provoke his fans and watch what happens... I remember you expressing in the AT to put a member's anti-Misthi post out on the main forum and watch with a bucket of popcorn how AM fans fight it out... so we never know, you know!

Ab attack aayega toh defense bhi aayega! Discussion hota toh discuss bhi karte...

Intent and how you put across your points decide the direction of the replies.

I think Kuhu aapki favorite hai, I will give you an example through her. Suppose, while watching an old episode or two I got irritated with Kuhu's behavior (trust me, there are plenty of occasions when that happens ), so I come to the forum and start blasting her left and right about how she is behaving, what is she thinking, how can she be so mean and selfish, call her a few names, describe how her character is just reduced to Mishti stole my limelight, I made a galti se mistake and question why Kaveri took up this role?...

Ab after making such a post, I am not going to get wah wahs from Kuhu fans that much I know Rather, I would expect her fans to write paragraphs about how she has layers and I am not able to see them. And I also know, I will be quoted a link or two of posts where it is explained in depth how others are wrong and she is right... no doubt, replies will be eloquent unlike our amateur efforts , none the less they all will still be made to defend her character.

And that is because it is human nature. We defend what we like so dearly. It's similar to parents criticizing their own kids but do not like it when others do - especially when the others have never made it a point to appreciate them...

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So this was tit-for-tat kya?

As for you stating that you wanted people to share your frustration about the character of Abir, toh Daya has already given a wonderful explanation! People are not able to do so because our opinions are diametrically opposite, and there is no middle ground... what you are rebuking Abir for, we applaud him! So instead of welcoming our different perspective on it, naming it as your bashing for having a different/unpopular opinion is not fair now, is it?

Anyways, since you say you were really going for a discussion, I would say there is a way to go about it. This definitely was not the best one.

In any case, now that you have clarified, Uru, Nandu and Daya have offered you their posts for discussions... but aapko woh bahot lambe lage! Toh decide karlo aap chahti kya hai phir

Wow Pali amazing dear👏👏👏

Originally posted by: NamrataRa

I want to know the actors names who got their new

found stardom.If it is referred to Ritvik & Kaveri then it is such an contradictory statement.Is'nt they are sidies/extras who get normally 2or 3 minutes of ss sometimes 15 sec/nil, who are newbies & eating fruits of the leads hardwork ( not my words)& don't contribute anything to show's success 🙄( again not my words)

oh yes I thought about them only while reading this

Originally posted by: MishBirStruck

oh yes I thought about them only while reading this

An actor can enjoy stardom only on his/her hardwork.Wrong thinking if you thought so😌

Originally posted by: NamrataRa

An actor can enjoy stardom only on his/her hardwork.Wrong thinking if you thought so😌

They can also enjoy when they get fans without any hard work 😌by Eating fruits of others success

Originally posted by: MishBirStruck

They can also enjoy when they get fans without any hard work 😌by Eating fruits of others success

Well said👍🏼This is exactly what is happening now

Originally posted by: Agrata23

Well said👍🏼This is exactly what is happening now

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Arre now I have to watch CID but I'm not sure it's available to watch in the US 😊

Frustration toh dikh raha tha, sometimes we just need to vent, but dhyaan se 😆 No issues about not participating, but I did intend that thread to discuss all characters in that thread, so you might find it interesting.

Unpopular opinions, yes, it does take a lot to put yourself out there when you already know your opinion puts you in the minority and you still keep doing that 👏! I just love posts that are sometimes the complete opposite of what I think because it makes me wonder if I'm justifying something or just think differently. It also gives me a completely different take on the scenario. I also love posts that are able to articulate what I'm trying to say better than I can like uru's 😆

About Abir being perceptive, there are many instances they show where Abir puts completely unrelated things together to come up with the right answer - one I can think of is Naman Agarwal being Mishti's father. They also show he understands people and why they behave as they do and how they might behave. He's also (presumably) the only one not buying BB's act of liking Mishti right now. Another thing is that being perceptive is an important trait to have to manipulate people, and Abir and BB both clearly can manipulate others.

Yes, Parul and Naanu told him baba was not right and he does acknowledge that they might be right but he still wants to find out the truth for himself. Naanu expressed his dislike, but he still hadn't told him then that it was his baba who has committed the fraud. It was expressed as if his baba did not want his mom to help naanu and Abir wanted to find out why. That was the time to tell him his baba was the one to commit the fraud and show him the newspapers, but it wasn't done. I mean, if you were going to do it the next day, why not then?

Regarding trust, I agree that trusting family should come naturally. There are different kinds of trust, Abir trusts people to behave according to their nature, whoever it is. With Mishti it is based on how he has seen her behave in different circumstances. So far she has not broken his trust (partly because he already knew she was in rajgad on KC day, which meenu did not know). With baba alone it was based on a (remote and biased) memory, and once that trust was broken, he walked away from him without a second glance. Parul warns Meenu of this character trait of his one time afterwards (can't recall when exactly).

He trusts Kunal to blindly believe Meenu. As for the others, he says to Mishti that he's not sure what is making naanu behave as he's doing (yeah, you made me go back and watch ) before he left for mumbai and then found out that naanu had once again not told him he won't meet his father there, nor had Parul or Kaushal. He trusts Parul and Kaushal to be on BB's side in this, as he says to Parul - he is not asking her any questions since he doesn't want her to betray her friend. Kaushal keeps asking him to wait/listen to BB (I might have missed if he had said more, did he?)

There are 2 ways to look at this - all these people in my life are trying to keep me away from this person, so perhaps they're right that he's not a good person, or, all these people are influenced by my mom who is trying to keep me away my father without giving me a solid reason as to why. He already has no trust for Meenu, especially after all the stunts she had pulled.

How would an adult show they can handle the truth? You can only show that if you have been shown the truth first right? The man is looking for answers. Give it to him and then see how he deals with it. He has shown many times that he values the truth, so if Meenu had chosen to tell him the truth things would have turned out differently. He might have checked it out for himself by going to Rajgad and maybe that's what Meenu didn't want - since that would have opened a whole new can of worms. [They didn't say how, but they did mention he was looking for baba, so can't explain how. It's just based on what was said.]

Arre I think the problem is that this particular issue, people are seeing from very different angles and we are not able to find a mid-point. According to you (and hope I'm not reading this wrong), he should trust his family's view on baba's matter and not selfishly try to find answers. He should let this go for the sake of family. For me, and perhaps others, the family has not shown itself to be trustworthy in the baba matter and Abir thinks that the truth will help his family break free of Meenu's influence (which made his brother almost leave a girl on the wedding day). Once he deals with baba though he does come back and apologize to his family for the way he behaved and felt terrible about it.

Meenu could have taken advantage of this, but she decided since his trust on baba was broken, she could break his trust on Mishti as well BUT she didn't realize that trust on baba being broken didn't automatically make him trust her. A topic for another day.

Abir is a beautifully flawed character. I think the problem is that most don't think of the point you brought up as a flaw. There are character flaws though, he is incredibly stubborn and doesn't listen when he's angry. For me, even his band-aid theory and the way he manipulated Kunal are not right (Kunal is also at fault here), but insaan hi toh hai! He forgives people way too easily as well.

You brought up his running away from issues and inability to accept truth. First is a valid point, he just ran away from the resort in frustration, but he is going back (thanks to Kunal). Inability to accept truth you will have to elaborate on coz I haven't seen that. Are you talking about how he's seeing the situation between Kuhu and Mishti? or Parul and Kunal? or something else?

Into the future - I'm waiting for the clash between meenu and abir. Why do you think it would be boring?

OK - if you aren't asleep by now after reading this thesis, and still remember the point, you can9 respond 🤣kitna likh diya 😆

Originally posted by: SheThought

The child who cries the most or makes the most noise gets the most attention. Apne show ka bhi kuch aisa hi haal hai abhi... ek ko please aur highlight karne ke chakkar main lot of characters get flattened and butchered... #KyaKarein

Now, Shaheer is not the types to crib about others getting the limelight or his character getting less importance. He thinks long term, takes things in his stride and lets others in his show shine unlike some who in their newfound stardom now do not hesitate to compete even with him! In any case, if he thinks his character has gone down the dumps, he will know what to do na... why question his decision of taking up a show that he found exciting after reading the script and that too by citing examples of scenes that came after 100 some episodes and are passed another 175 after that?! Logic kuch samajh main nahin aaya... unless what you meant to say was his character is flattened, no scope to perform now, why is he still sticking around?

Haan, clickbait toh tha. Many of us already understood... dekho, we still came Aur aap ko bhi acche se pata tha Aqua, discussion toh yeh tha nahin. It was more like accusations and attack on Abir to provoke his fans and watch what happens... I remember you expressing in the AT to put a member's anti-Misthi post out on the main forum and watch with a bucket of popcorn how AM fans fight it out... so we never know, you know!

Ab attack aayega toh defense bhi aayega! Discussion hota toh discuss bhi karte...

Intent and how you put across your points decide the direction of the replies.

I think Kuhu aapki favorite hai, I will give you an example through her. Suppose, while watching an old episode or two I got irritated with Kuhu's behavior (trust me, there are plenty of occasions when that happens ), so I come to the forum and start blasting her left and right about how she is behaving, what is she thinking, how can she be so mean and selfish, call her a few names, describe how her character is just reduced to Mishti stole my limelight, I made a galti se mistake and question why Kaveri took up this role?...

Ab after making such a post, I am not going to get wah wahs from Kuhu fans that much I know Rather, I would expect her fans to write paragraphs about how she has layers and I am not able to see them. And I also know, I will be quoted a link or two of posts where it is explained in depth how others are wrong and she is right... no doubt, replies will be eloquent unlike our amateur efforts , none the less they all will still be made to defend her character.

And that is because it is human nature. We defend what we like so dearly. It's similar to parents criticizing their own kids but do not like it when others do - especially when the others have never made it a point to appreciate them...

@bold:

So this was tit-for-tat kya?

As for you stating that you wanted people to share your frustration about the character of Abir, toh Daya has already given a wonderful explanation! People are not able to do so because our opinions are diametrically opposite, and there is no middle ground... what you are rebuking Abir for, we applaud him! So instead of welcoming our different perspective on it, naming it as your bashing for having a different/unpopular opinion is not fair now, is it?

Anyways, since you say you were really going for a discussion, I would say there is a way to go about it. This definitely was not the best one.

In any case, now that you have clarified, Uru, Nandu and Daya have offered you their posts for discussions... but aapko woh bahot lambe lage! Toh decide karlo aap chahti kya hai phir

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Arre now I have to watch CID but I'm not sure it's available to watch in the US 😊

Frustration toh dikh raha tha, sometimes we just need to vent, but dhyaan se 😆 No issues about not participating, but I did intend that thread to discuss all characters in that thread, so you might find it interesting.

Unpopular opinions, yes, it does take a lot to put yourself out there when you already know your opinion puts you in the minority and you still keep doing that 👏! I just love posts that are sometimes the complete opposite of what I think because it makes me wonder if I'm justifying something or just think differently. It also gives me a completely different take on the scenario. I also love posts that are able to articulate what I'm trying to say better than I can like uru's 😆

About Abir being perceptive, there are many instances they show where Abir puts completely unrelated things together to come up with the right answer - one I can think of is Naman Agarwal being Mishti's father. They also show he understands people and why they behave as they do and how they might behave. He's also (presumably) the only one not buying BB's act of liking Mishti right now. Another thing is that being perceptive is an important trait to have to manipulate people, and Abir and BB both clearly can manipulate others.

Yes, Parul and Naanu told him baba was not right and he does acknowledge that they might be right but he still wants to find out the truth for himself. Naanu expressed his dislike, but he still hadn't told him then that it was his baba who has committed the fraud. It was expressed as if his baba did not want his mom to help naanu and Abir wanted to find out why. That was the time to tell him his baba was the one to commit the fraud and show him the newspapers, but it wasn't done. I mean, if you were going to do it the next day, why not then?

Regarding trust, I agree that trusting family should come naturally. There are different kinds of trust, Abir trusts people to behave according to their nature, whoever it is. With Mishti it is based on how he has seen her behave in different circumstances. So far she has not broken his trust (partly because he already knew she was in rajgad on KC day, which meenu did not know). With baba alone it was based on a (remote and biased) memory, and once that trust was broken, he walked away from him without a second glance. Parul warns Meenu of this character trait of his one time afterwards (can't recall when exactly).

He trusts Kunal to blindly believe Meenu. As for the others, he says to Mishti that he's not sure what is making naanu behave as he's doing (yeah, you made me go back and watch ) before he left for mumbai and then found out that naanu had once again not told him he won't meet his father there, nor had Parul or Kaushal. He trusts Parul and Kaushal to be on BB's side in this, as he says to Parul - he is not asking her any questions since he doesn't want her to betray her friend. Kaushal keeps asking him to wait/listen to BB (I might have missed if he had said more, did he?)

There are 2 ways to look at this - all these people in my life are trying to keep me away from this person, so perhaps they're right that he's not a good person, or, all these people are influenced by my mom who is trying to keep me away my father without giving me a solid reason as to why. He already has no trust for Meenu, especially after all the stunts she had pulled.

How would an adult show they can handle the truth? You can only show that if you have been shown the truth first right? The man is looking for answers. Give it to him and then see how he deals with it. He has shown many times that he values the truth, so if Meenu had chosen to tell him the truth things would have turned out differently. He might have checked it out for himself by going to Rajgad and maybe that's what Meenu didn't want - since that would have opened a whole new can of worms. [They didn't say how, but they did mention he was looking for baba, so can't explain how. It's just based on what was said.]

Arre I think the problem is that this particular issue, people are seeing from very different angles and we are not able to find a mid-point. According to you (and hope I'm not reading this wrong), he should trust his family's view on baba's matter and not selfishly try to find answers. He should let this go for the sake of family. For me, and perhaps others, the family has not shown itself to be trustworthy in the baba matter and Abir thinks that the truth will help his family break free of Meenu's influence (which made his brother almost leave a girl on the wedding day). Once he deals with baba though he does come back and apologize to his family for the way he behaved and felt terrible about it.

Meenu could have taken advantage of this, but she decided since his trust on baba was broken, she could break his trust on Mishti as well BUT she didn't realize that trust on baba being broken didn't automatically make him trust her. A topic for another day.

Abir is a beautifully flawed character. I think the problem is that most don't think of the point you brought up as a flaw. There are character flaws though, he is incredibly stubborn and doesn't listen when he's angry. For me, even his band-aid theory and the way he manipulated Kunal are not right (Kunal is also at fault here), but insaan hi toh hai! He forgives people way too easily as well.

You brought up his running away from issues and inability to accept truth. First is a valid point, he just ran away from the resort in frustration, but he is going back (thanks to Kunal). Inability to accept truth you will have to elaborate on coz I haven't seen that. Are you talking about how he's seeing the situation between Kuhu and Mishti? or Parul and Kunal? or something else?

Into the future - I'm waiting for the clash between meenu and abir. Why do you think it would be boring?

OK - if you aren't asleep by now after reading this thesis, and still remember the point, you can respond 🤣kitna likh diya 😆

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This is so well written and expressed. You have written everything that I wanted to say. One cant have the cake and eat it too.

Aqua you need to decide whether you wanted reaction from abir fans or you wanted a healthy discussion. Discussion wale posts apko lambe lagte hai.. which means you don’t want to know our perspectives or reasons. Why make a post when you don’t have the stomach to handle discussions and opposing views. I clearly fail to understand.

Daya you have said everything that needed to be said and put out there😘😘