Abir - the family guy??? - Page 9

Originally posted by: MishBirStruck

And about his character gone banjaraness, he was not just a banjara

He is ngo owner

He had been entrepreneur of the year

He had built up a school

He had touched many lives

He's the sensitive feminist for which he has been respected the most

He's a nature lover

He's an artist

He still likes simple things

And all this things still makes a very cool awesome character, future mein there could be many plots where we would see all these sides of abir

indirectly they are saying abir ka shaheer has nothing to do in the show..so they want their fav will be given preference in the show...the are the perfect characters with no flaws an ideal example how to be human😆

Originally posted by: Agrata23

indirectly they are saying abir ka shaheer has nothing to do in the show..so they want their fav will be given preference in the show...the are the perfect characters with no flaws an ideal example how to be human😆

Geetu shaant ho jaao

It always happens

Kuch aisa hi post hota

We became defensive

Then the mods come and humein hi DT notes MIL jaate hai , you know what I am trying to say right

Just stick to topic

Else you only will receive DT notes

Originally posted by: MishBirStruck

Attack

Abir is man child

Abir is drama queen

Abir's role has nothing much left in it, too flatten

Defence

EXPLANATIONS all mishbir fans have

Let's see where was discussion in that 🤔

Well, that is still my opinion and it wasn't attack. I was just expressing my thoughts on a set of episodes I was re-watching.

I'm still saying that his flaws haven't been explored. I'm still saying that his character arc seems flat to me but the fact is that if I attacked anything, it was the poor storytelling.

I don't understand the point of becoming guard for a fictional character. They are technically public property and I did not say anything derogatory. Why do people take it as if I attacked their creation is beyond me. You relate to that character, great! You love the character, great! But what is the problem in seeing the same character in a different light. I just used 2 words. Uske alawa ka content bhi to dekho. It talks about the plot.

And the title and baaki things as explained: clickbait.

Sorry if it upset you but I hope wecan move on from that.

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Oh wow!! I didn't know that these many people were still active on the forum. Lol!

But can I just say that there was no need to bombard me with multiple similar posts about how much you all love Abir. I already know that. (Thanks Nandu for reiterating this point!) Also, do you guys not know me, my opinions or are we all interacting for the first time? Calm down, people! There is no need to come defending him. I already what flaws and good qualities Abir has. If you still don't know what I mean, please look up the word 'clickbait'. Thank you!

And sorry if I went overboard with the dramaqueen and man child comment. As mentioned, I was riled up by the writers not trying to develop his character even after this track! He still doesn't have the patience to listen to people when he doesn't like what he is hearing. I know how much it hurts when characters you like are called names. I've seen it happen with comments like "jalkukdi/jalkudi/2rs person/so many more". Atleast, I still used better words. I am such an angel, right?😇

Sach kahun to I was hoping to see some analysis on this flawed side of Abir and understand how you guys wanted his character to grow or be developed but instead of focussing on the main point of the post, everyone started defending him as if I am new to this forum and don't know who or what Abir is.

Coming to it, after reading Uru's reply, main bhool hi gayi ki maine kya likha tha. Ye to Abir ki height se bhi lamba reply tha. Girl, how do you have the patience to write so much?!

Not going to mention names here because I am completely lost because I went off to sleep and woke up to some 8 pages on this thread. So, anonymous replies it is!

Whoever said, Shaheer as an adult has the right to choose his own roles. I never said he didn't. I only said that I don't understand the appeal of the character anymore because there is not much left to play around with, as an actor. When Abir was "obsessed" (it was an exaggeration because I couldn't find another word. I still don't have a better word. Feel free to tell me if y'all do) with finding his dad, there were so many layers to his character. There was trauma and sadness and memories, and now that layering has gone. The banjaraness is gone too with him getting married now. The whole point was to say that as of now, for me, the character arc is flat and frankly, that leaves the character at an interesting impasse because even though, this is a development in his character compared to when he was introduced, there is potential to make him a family man or leave the family all together as of now. He can start taking steps to be a great son to Meenu and make her feel secure or completely lose his way in trying to defeat her.

*Side note: And people, if you're still focussing on the few things I said above which are mildly against Abir, looking for a way to defend Abir, you've still not understood the point of this post. The point of the post is to discuss the flaws and the character arc. Stop defending the character and start discussing him instead. I already know how great he is. We discussed that for the past year. Now, can we get to something more interesting and discuss how much potential this character has and where can it go, to the greatest heights or down in the darkest pits. It's fiction, after all! You can take it anywhere you like, and especially when the show is on break. We've all seen the positive side on the show. Won't it be fun to discuss the negative and how dark the character can go. Let loose, people!

Okay, now itna likhne ke baad, I don't remember much of what anyone else said except a few people mentioning that I usually write ocean deep analysis and how this was a superficial take. Well, sometimes you have to take a step back to see if there are other interesting fish in the sea as well. I hope I was able to explain what the purpose of this post was because it was definitely not analysis. It was discussion and generating new ideas. I hope we can get to it now since there are so many people active on this forum which I see leaving right about now since no one really cares to discuss but rather only defend. Anyway, it was nice to see so much liveliness in the forum after so long. I would love to read and discuss if any of you want to share the imaginary progression you see for Abir's character.

pihu😊

Now this is a post more like you. I could see in your first post, that you were trying to hint at the poor writing and inconsistent character development..but I'm afraid the way in which you phrased your words and analysis points, just ticked off a few of us.

Just be mindful of how we address (the words) these flaws and loopholes in character writing. We all know how injust and inconsistent the writer of the show has been. Not only with Abir, but with all 4 main characters. Kunal never got his due insights and character development when his birth truth was revealed, instead the writers rushed it up with a super short talk with Abir in the morning gardenThen his gradual development of feelings for Kuhu was also rushed...they jumped into a second shaadi without having a solid chat/discussion about their crazy equation for the previous 3-4 months where Kuhu was distancing herself and focusing on her career. Similarly, Abir never got proper screen space for insights into his emotions after Baba's truth came out, the writers immediately shoved another huge 'break-up' track on by throwing Kunal's birth truth and Mehul's infidelity in his face, on top of Meenu's blackmail - at Abir's face ALL at once.

Extremely poor writing there.

Mishti's abandonment issues have been often touched upon but never given proper focused to. The break-up phase must have been the most difficult time, instead the writers took a leap and introduced a new character which they ended up spoiling with a 'love triangle' and third-angle nishmish track

etc...

I understand and agree to an extent on your views about Abir's character not having much depth to play with as an actor for Shah. But that doesn't mean Shah can just give up on the rest of the team, for the lack of proper writing for his character (not saying you said that). After all, it is an ITV show, we cannot expect whole in-depth character analysis tracks each and every time - it sadly just doesn't work that way.

But I too would love to read, write and discuss the potential complexities that i believe can still be brought out in the show, given proper better writing. I'll be more than happy to join in anything to do with thinking and digging deeper into characters like Abir with such insight👍🏼

xx

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Originally posted by: MishBirStruck

Geetu shaant ho jaao

It always happens

Kuch aisa hi post hota

We became defensive

Then the mods come and humein hi DT notes MIL jaate hai , you know what I am trying to say right

Just stick to topic

Else you only will receive DT notes

Vaishu I am still in the topic yaar the TM is talked abt shaheer choice of workand said abir character has nothing to do in the show as now

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Well, that is still my opinion and it wasn't attack. I was just expressing my thoughts on a set of episodes I was re-watching.

I'm still saying that his flaws haven't been explored. I'm still saying that his character arc seems flat to me but the fact is that if I attacked anything, it was the poor storytelling.

I don't understand the point of becoming guard for a fictional character. They are technically public property and I did not say anything derogatory. Why do people take it as if I attacked their creation is beyond me. You relate to that character, great! You love the character, great! But what is the problem in seeing the same character in a different light. I just used 2 words. Uske alawa ka content bhi to dekho. It talks about the plot.

And the title and baaki things as explained: clickbait.

Sorry if it upset you but I hope wecan move on from that.

That technical public property is for us as we're public. Why we're being defensive for a fictional character benause when a character gives reason to love you you love them and when other actually attacks their characterization we become defensive

Okay for you they're fictional character no need to be emotionally attached but for some including me we do get emotionally attach ,we live their characters and that doesn't makes us wrong, you can't tell us what to do and what not to do

And about Abir's character being flatten that's your pov, for us there are many things to be discovered

Originally posted by: Agrata23

Vaishu I am still in the topic yaar the TM is talked abt shaheer choice of workand said abir character has nothing to do in the show as now

Well it's Her pov

We know there are many things left for abir without abir how will the show run, so don't worry about it

She want to discuss about abir's arc, tell her about it

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Oh wow!! I didn't know that these many people were still active on the forum. Lol!

But can I just say that there was no need to bombard me with multiple similar posts about how much you all love Abir. I already know that. (Thanks Nandu for reiterating this point!) Also, do you guys not know me, my opinions or are we all interacting for the first time? Calm down, people! There is no need to come defending him. I already what flaws and good qualities Abir has. If you still don't know what I mean, please look up the word 'clickbait'. Thank you!

And sorry if I went overboard with the dramaqueen and man child comment. As mentioned, I was riled up by the writers not trying to develop his character even after this track! He still doesn't have the patience to listen to people when he doesn't like what he is hearing. I know how much it hurts when characters you like are called names. I've seen it happen with comments like "jalkukdi/jalkudi/2rs person/so many more". Atleast, I still used better words. I am such an angel, right?😇

Sach kahun to I was hoping to see some analysis on this flawed side of Abir and understand how you guys wanted his character to grow or be developed but instead of focussing on the main point of the post, everyone started defending him as if I am new to this forum and don't know who or what Abir is.

Coming to it, after reading Uru's reply, main bhool hi gayi ki maine kya likha tha. Ye to Abir ki height se bhi lamba reply tha. Girl, how do you have the patience to write so much?!

Not going to mention names here because I am completely lost because I went off to sleep and woke up to some 8 pages on this thread. So, anonymous replies it is!

Whoever said, Shaheer as an adult has the right to choose his own roles. I never said he didn't. I only said that I don't understand the appeal of the character anymore because there is not much left to play around with, as an actor. When Abir was "obsessed" (it was an exaggeration because I couldn't find another word. I still don't have a better word. Feel free to tell me if y'all do) with finding his dad, there were so many layers to his character. There was trauma and sadness and memories, and now that layering has gone. The banjaraness is gone too with him getting married now. The whole point was to say that as of now, for me, the character arc is flat and frankly, that leaves the character at an interesting impasse because even though, this is a development in his character compared to when he was introduced, there is potential to make him a family man or leave the family all together as of now. He can start taking steps to be a great son to Meenu and make her feel secure or completely lose his way in trying to defeat her.

*Side note: And people, if you're still focussing on the few things I said above which are mildly against Abir, looking for a way to defend Abir, you've still not understood the point of this post. The point of the post is to discuss the flaws and the character arc. Stop defending the character and start discussing him instead. I already know how great he is. We discussed that for the past year. Now, can we get to something more interesting and discuss how much potential this character has and where can it go, to the greatest heights or down in the darkest pits. It's fiction, after all! You can take it anywhere you like, and especially when the show is on break. We've all seen the positive side on the show. Won't it be fun to discuss the negative and how dark the character can go. Let loose, people!

Okay, now itna likhne ke baad, I don't remember much of what anyone else said except a few people mentioning that I usually write ocean deep analysis and how this was a superficial take. Well, sometimes you have to take a step back to see if there are other interesting fish in the sea as well. I hope I was able to explain what the purpose of this post was because it was definitely not analysis. It was discussion and generating new ideas. I hope we can get to it now since there are so many people active on this forum which I see leaving right about now since no one really cares to discuss but rather only defend. Anyway, it was nice to see so much liveliness in the forum after so long. I would love to read and discuss if any of you want to share the imaginary progression you see for Abir's character.

Hi aqua , I have many replies to make on this post, choosing this one to reply first Because sometimes things blow way out of proportion and the threads suffer and some conversations are left midway only, which I don't want to happen with this thread , not sure why you had to use a "clickbait" to invite us all in the discussion ? So has the clickbait does its job ?

Bold - I know abir has his own set of flaws , and I l know you have followed me in this forum for the longest of time here, we have interacted before also so you know I don't shy away from pointing them out when at fault , and this is something my readers have appreciated me for , I am not a blind fan , if I was I would have never opened an AT for nishant, or praised kuhu to lengths post leap even over mishti .... but when I see characters are getting misunderstood , I can't stop myself from replying na

I have understanding of all the characters may be not as much as you do , but that doesn't make me a blind fan either, and there is absolutely no problem if others think differently

so you are wishing to discuss flaws and understand his character arc , I am very much open to do that with you, but your post came across a demeaning post to me rather than an attempt to understand the character, infact you mentioned about actor's choice too ?

I know people bombarded you , kisi ek ke points pe reply kar lo , all of them have tried their best to explain his struggles and flaws , not all just defended him you want to discuss right? Let's start then ! One side you are saying the character has lost its appeal to you - a statement and on other side you are also saying to want to discuss , how can I discuss when already this kind of judgement is already made my dear , aqua if you feel we got way too defensive I apologise on everyone's behalf , but if you talk about 2- 3 scenes from the past that too you way beyond 100 episodes and then you say by this post you want to discuss the future of the character , I am sorry, but your first post gave an all together an different impression! And I am being very honest about it !

Also , I am aware of all my steps , thank you

And how many fishes are there The reason I told that is because I have seen you have that zeal to understand characters in depth so it just surprised me that how didn't you get abir in your mentioned scenes because I think the intentions and emotions were clearly visible without even the in depth analysis

Anyways, I am open for discussion if you are really interested to do that !

Originally posted by: yrhpk_aus

sorry dear...i'll have to disagree with you on this.

Let's just back it up a bit and not just focus on this one dialogue...

first of all, from where did Abir just return from?

He returned from a 'trip' that was set up as 'wild goose chase' and diversion by his own mother. The main reason he left the house, was because he asked Meenu of his Baba's whereabouts and Meenu devised a quick plan by giving him a fake adress etc. So let's understand that Abir believed- meenu was finally 'giving' him the opportunity to find out the 'truth' on his own, without constant influenced pressure. So the fact that he trusted his mother's words and set of on this journey he truly believed, goes to show that IF only Meenu had taken that effort and time to sit down and talk to him about the truth, eventually Abir would have believed her or at least got know he was wrong much sooner than having Baba arrive and cause all that chaos in the family.

And that's exactly all he ever asked for! Abir just wanted the truth, but by simply repeatedly telling him 'aapka baba bura hai, aapka baba humein chod ke chal gaye, 'aapka baba acche insaan nahi hai'

is NOT answering his damn question at all!

@Bold: His question is very very valid. the one person he really did trust and believed was his best friend and companion in this house that didn't feel like a home...that one person Naanu broke his trust and heart.

Abir was always open to the fact that he could be wrong, he knew the possibility (although he didn't want to believe/accept it) that his Baba was wrong. But he still admitted that possibility that what Meenu and Naanu have been telling him is entire life, was potentially true, but didn't he deserve to determine and decide it by himself?

That's exactly why we see him feel utmost guilt and repentence when he finally does see/realise Mehul's true face/identity, he cannot believe how horribly he treated his mother and his family, and we see his guilt and sadness for about half a day...

then the writers decide to throw in the NEXT biggest drama immediately without giving enough time for Abir's character to get over this life-changing revelation. His entire world has shook, but Meenu then lands another bombshell - making him choose between the love of his life and his nanko, with Kunal's birth truth - which is also adds on to his Baba's real identity (now not only a fraudster, but a cheater too!)

And look at what Abir decided to do in the crumbling pressure and extremely emotional state he was in...he STILL chose KUNAL, he chose his family's dignity over the biggest happiness and love in his life Mishti.❤️

Just tried to bring out the complexity of this scene and dialogue...it's not something that can be judged just on it's own. Hope it didn't appear defensive

xx

Thank you for the polite explanation of the scene and moreover, the fact that you decided to engage in a discussion.

Let's hope I can explain my point as well.

My point is exactly the opposite: Why did he have to keep opening that box when everyone around him told him that it will only bring havoc.

When his whole family is against that discussion, why couldn't he for once trust their judgement? Why does he get that opportunity to explore the truth about his Baba at the cost of causing pain to everyone else? Why are only his feelings important and not theirs? Nobody wanted Baba back except for him.

Coming to the drama quotient from the writers: that is one major problem I have. Why do they not address these things when it would only help make the story more interesting? It annoys me so much.

Also, I'm not going to get started on Abir having to sacrifice Mishti and choose Kunal because that is whole other Pandora's box and you don't want to unleash that because after seeing the reaction to this post, I don't think this forum will be able to handle it. I would rather keep it to myself than be bashed for having a different view.

Originally posted by: Agrata23

indirectly they are saying abir ka shaheer has nothing to do in the show..so they want their fav will be given preference in the show...the are the perfect characters with no flaws an ideal example how to be human😆

Who is "they"? Mujhe jo kehna hai, main directly kehti hoon. Aur na hi maine directly ye kaha aur na hi indirectly.

Also, it should have been 'Shaheer ka Abir' and not 'Abir ka Shaheer'. Please try and calm down. Nobody cares about preference in the show. Personally, I am very happy with how much screen space everyone has. Pata nahi kyun itna hawua bana ke rakha iss baat ka?! Anyway, I have nothing to gain even if a character gets more or less screen space. If the actors would give me a share of their money, I would definitely campaign but until and unless that day comes, I don't care.