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Posted: 7 years ago
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I have observed thing starting
It's never mentioned that he liked her ever
Even in the banner picture coming after ads (I don't know that term) always Naina is shown seeing him and he is shown writing or reading something (it seems studying lol)
OK I can't say much about boys but this is purely an assumption that unlike girls boys firstly look at a physical aspect of a girl like finding her hot and all
Ok if was in his 20s still one can think like that first emotions
But in 16 years of age a boy ruled by hormones and peer pressure where its his cool factor coming in middle of everything becomes a hindrance in love story
Naina is sweet, cute, innocent and boys do realize this quality later but initially just to get that attitude in his boys group and boost his male ego boys might be feeling to have hot girl as a date at least in Sameer's age
But he is shown so disturbed that he rejects approach by a considered hot girl kamya of school, who misses suckh opportunity? So maybe cvs are still figuring out what is his type of girlfriend?
He is never shown discussing girls, even munna pandit, himmat discuss that
If not an Indian girl like Naina not a modern girl like Kamya so what type of girlfriend he would like is a question
That's why I still feel he is not ready for a relationship
Even not ready for a temporary affair
I wonder what kind of girl was his previous girlfriend or whether it was a lie too?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Comparing how Naina and Sameer fell in love is wrong. Cause their journey have been different and they fell for each other in different ways. Naina first fell attracted to Sameer and then was infatuated by him hence the devotion and she still has a step to go in loving him after the bet issue. I'm finally glad that the bet went off so that this devotion vision of her is now off. So things will be very interesting on Naina's side now. Till yesterday she only loved the side of Sameer she was made to see and she wanted to see. With the bets going off she is coming in to all of Sameer's side with lot of prejudices just like how Sameer had for Naina in the beginning. So the girl still gotta love the guy. Whereas for Sameer it has been different approach and opposite. Sameer first got to know her amidst his mission of win the bet. By the end of it Sameer is in love with Naina. Yes she is definitely an emotional support for him. But I dont see how wrong it is. Stuff like these are what makes people love each other and care for them. But no. He isnt attracted to her yet doesn't mean he isnt in love. But he will be attracted to her cause he is in love with her. So things come to them in different ways. And no Naina till now havent been a punching bag for emotional drama. She is in the receiving end of this bet. But so is Sameer. The bet messes both of them. Sameer is riddled with acute guilt of hurting a good hearted girl. That guilt overpowers his love for the girl. And it's logical. He wrecked this girls life. So he gotta think about how to mend it up or lament what he has done. Rather than be goofy about how he is love with girl. For him his feelings of love comes latter to his guilt. His devotion will start now where he will try to make up for this girl.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Operaqueen

This is Naina's journey and discovery of love, Not Sameer's . They have never shown Sameer ever being romantically inclined towards her except for the times he wanted to win the bet. He has only appreciated her for being nice . I hope they don't show him falling in love with her suddenly out of nowhere. That would be a big disappointment and going the Ekta kapoor way. Let his feelings be restricted to massive amounts of guilt for now. Maybe the story will evolve in the future where he might be attracted to her

Sameer walking away was unexpected but he is not a guy in love that will hang around to clarify things with his GF. It was guilt that made him walk away. Let his love for her be a slow process

Naina has experienced her first love, let her experience her first heartbreak. The story is really progressing well and I hope they don't mess it up. It will be interesting to see Naina handling her heartbreak secretly amongst the agarwal loonies , just like she was able to have a full fledged secret love affair !



Well I don't get this point frankly about this as Naina's journey and discovery of love. Sameer apparently is that love. So if his journey and he isnt an integral part of the story how to appreciate them as a love story. It goes both way. I think this is a very misconception cause Naina is a narrator. But the show has been about both of them. Both of their stories started on how they were before they entered each other lives. Their meeting. Their respective personalities. Their respective family drama. Their respective journey of love. We pretty much see two set of stories so really dont get how this is Naina's story. Both their stories ultimately make the love story we are here to watch for.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Destiny_015

Comparing how Naina and Sameer fell in love is wrong. Cause their journey have been different and they fell for each other in different ways. Naina first fell attracted to Sameer and then was infatuated by him hence the devotion and she still has a step to go in loving him after the bet issue. I'm finally glad that the bet went off so that this devotion vision of her is now off. So things will be very interesting on Naina's side now. Till yesterday she only loved the side of Sameer she was made to see and she wanted to see. With the bets going off she is coming in to all of Sameer's side with lot of prejudices just like how Sameer had for Naina in the beginning. So the girl still gotta love the guy. Whereas for Sameer it has been different approach and opposite. Sameer first got to know her amidst his mission of win the bet. By the end of it Sameer is in love with Naina. Yes she is definitely an emotional support for him. But I dont see how wrong it is. Stuff like these are what makes people love each other and care for them. But no. He isnt attracted to her yet doesn't mean he isnt in love. But he will be attracted to her cause he is in love with her. So things come to them in different ways. And no Naina till now havent been a punching bag for emotional drama. She is in the receiving end of this bet. But so is Sameer. The bet messes both of them. Sameer is riddled with acute guilt of hurting a good hearted girl. That guilt overpowers his love for the girl. And it's logical. He wrecked this girls life. So he gotta think about how to mend it up or lament what he has done. Rather than be goofy about how he is love with girl. For him his feelings of love comes latter to his guilt. His devotion will start now where he will try to make up for this girl.


Destiny..I like your take but here is my PoV on that..
There are different kinds of love.. yes.. I think what all of us here are trying to wrap our heads around is.. if this is the all encompassing love which is emotional, physical, unconditional etc etc which is what defines a girlfriend - boyfriend and later spousal relationship.. Coz any other love, which ofcourse entails care, respect, like but not necessarily the physical or attraction as we call it can be the same as what one experiences with a friend too.. after all what differentiates a friendship from it not being that is the non - platonic aspect of it.. @bold so precisely as you say here.. he loves her but more like a friend.. as he himself talks of it.. he loves her like a munna, pandit.. maybe slightly more.. not sure of that..
The proof is not running after her, when Swati comes telling him that Naina is lost in the jungle.. The other instance where he takes the blame on himself in front of Rakesh too.. is what he would have done for any dear friend of his.. For Ishq wala love 😳 (sigh! how cliched.. but never mind), there should be a sense of fierce protectiveness, that she is mine..a hint of jealousy.. a hint of possessiveness..

Am I making sense here? 😕


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Before pyaar vyaar pehle inhe friends to best friends forever hone to do !
He likes her , but he doesn't wanna accept!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Santiago24

There are different kinds of love.. yes.. I think what all of us here are trying to wrap our heads around is.. if this is the all encompassing love which is emotional, physical, unconditional etc etc which is what defines a girlfriend - boyfriend and later spousal relationship.. Coz any other love, which ofcourse entails care, respect, like but not necessarily the physical or attraction as we call it can be the same as what one experiences with a friend too.. after all what differentiates a friendship from it not being that is the non - platonic aspect of it.. @bold so precisely as you say here.. he loves her but more like a friend.. as he himself talks of it.. he loves her like a munna, pandit.. maybe slightly more.. not sure of that..
The proof is not running after her, when Swati comes telling him that Naina is lost in the jungle.. The other instance where he takes the blame on himself in front of Rakesh too.. is what he would have done for any dear friend of his.. For Ishq wala love 😳 (sigh! how cliched.. but never mind), there should be a sense of fierce protectiveness, that she is mine..a hint of jealousy.. a hint of possessiveness..

Am I making sense here? 😕



Hi Santiago,

You are making complete SENSE!

A very sensible comment indeed.

What is different for the attraction to a friend and attraction to a spouse/life-partner/potential life partner?

It's the same difference between Naina & Sameer.

Naina's is Life Partner / Shadi Wala / Ishq wala friendship - where you want the person as a whole. Physically, mentally and emotionally. You plan to spend/share your life with that person.

But How to define the feeling of Sameer towards Naina at present? Respect and the feeling that she is a good girl who cares for him.

There is no desperation in him to be with her, no visible jealousy when she does not give him attention and also no physical attraction for her. So, what is the crux of Sameer's emotion?

It's again the same feeling of guilt for hurting a nice girl who is friendly to him and immensely cares/loves him.

Even Munna Pandit love Sameer in their friend way. Even there will be few other friends who sometimes show random concern like Kamya.

Therefore, the show needs to show Sameer desperate for Naina and her presence.

However, DESPERATE as a LOVER NOT AS A FRIEND.

Then only the whole "Mission Manao Naina" will make some genuine sense for him and also the fans of the show.




Edited by Dr.Don - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Santiago24



Destiny..I like your take but here is my PoV on that..
There are different kinds of love.. yes.. I think what all of us here are trying to wrap our heads around is.. if this is the all encompassing love which is emotional, physical, unconditional etc etc which is what defines a girlfriend - boyfriend and later spousal relationship.. Coz any other love, which ofcourse entails care, respect, like but not necessarily the physical or attraction as we call it can be the same as what one experiences with a friend too.. after all what differentiates a friendship from it not being that is the non - platonic aspect of it.. @bold so precisely as you say here.. he loves her but more like a friend.. as he himself talks of it.. he loves her like a munna, pandit.. maybe slightly more.. not sure of that..
The proof is not running after her, when Swati comes telling him that Naina is lost in the jungle.. The other instance where he takes the blame on himself in front of Rakesh too.. is what he would have done for any dear friend of his.. For Ishq wala love😳(sigh! how cliched.. but never mind), there should be a sense of fierce protectiveness, that she is mine..a hint of jealousy.. a hint of possessiveness..

Am I making sense here?😕




Oh I get your point completely. And you make complete sense. But I think we see differently on some aspects. Major being you aren't convinced of Sameer being in love. I being convinced he is in love. The major reason why I can say that Sameer like "Loves" Naina for real is about his mother issue. This is a tangent which Sameer has with noone and plays a very important part of his relationship with Naina. Not even his buddies Munna and Pandit. Naina fullfilled a very hollow part of Sameer. Stuff that is very intimate for Sameer. Noone has cared for him the way Naina does. Things like sweater that kind of devotion is a definite point of stirring feelings in Sameer. Which is why Sameer unknowingly fell for Naina. He denies it cause I don't consider he had his realisation yet. As for the passion. They didn't have that phase yet for Sameer. Whom he would be jealous off when Naina have been doting all this while. If ny understanding is correct that phase for Sameer comes later. Like in this case I expect it in this redemption track. I don't know if you have seen Kuch Rang Ke. But as for a reference. We also saw Sona falling for Dev and being passionate about him. Dev's passion for Sona came a lot later in the story. Which was also destructive for him. Which I consider the same in case of Sameer. Sameer loves his friends a lot and is very devoted to them. So it can be estimated how devoted and loyal he would be to someone he loves. Sameer wasnt actually looking for love here. But he fell albeit unknowingly. Naina is special for him because she healed a part of him which he was so wounded inside him. Stuff like this make people attached to each other in a very intimate way. Binds them like no other. Atleast that's how it used to happen in 90s. People didnt share so much of theirs with each other and still be friends you know. That's a relatively modern concept. And that's the point of their story. How simple it is. Which is why I definitely see how this guy is in love with this girl. So for Sameer , Naina is this epitome of sunshine is his life. You would see him laughing so freely with Naina with that glint in his eyes. He might have never expressed it in words how he feels about Naina like how Naina did. But his actions were enough to put the word out. The boy is in love. The pyaar mein pagal phase yet to come.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Destiny_015



Oh I get your point completely. And you make complete sense. But I think we see differently on some aspects. Major being you aren't convinced of Sameer being in love. I being convinced he is in love. The major reason why I can say that Sameer like "Loves" Naina for real is about his mother issue. This is a tangent which Sameer has with noone and plays a very important part of his relationship with Naina. Not even his buddies Munna and Pandit. Naina fullfilled a very hollow part of Sameer. Stuff that is very intimate for Sameer. Noone has cared for him the way Naina does. Things like sweater that kind of devotion is a definite point of stirring feelings in Sameer. Which is why Sameer unknowingly fell for Naina. He denies it cause I don't consider he had his realisation yet. As for the passion. They didn't have that phase yet for Sameer. Whom he would be jealous off when Naina have been doting all this while. If ny understanding is correct that phase for Sameer comes later. Like in this case I expect it in this redemption track. I don't know if you have seen Kuch Rang Ke. But as for a reference. We also saw Sona falling for Dev and being passionate about him. Dev's passion for Sona came a lot later in the story. Which was also destructive for him. Which I consider the same in case of Sameer. Sameer loves his friends a lot and is very devoted to them. So it can be estimated how devoted and loyal he would be to someone he loves. Sameer wasnt actually looking for love here. But he fell albeit unknowingly. Naina is special for him because she healed a part of him which he was so wounded inside him. Stuff like this make people attached to each other in a very intimate way. Binds them like no other. Atleast that's how it used to happen in 90s. People didnt share so much of theirs with each other and still be friends you know. That's a relatively modern concept. And that's the point of their story. How simple it is. Which is why I definitely see how this guy is in love with this girl. So for Sameer , Naina is this epitome of sunshine is his life. You would see him laughing so freely with Naina with that glint in his eyes. He might have never expressed it in words how he feels about Naina like how Naina did. But his actions were enough to put the word out. The boy is in love. The pyaar mein pagal phase yet to come.


Destiny dear...👏 i luv u how u hve put ur points well...n yes xactly i see Sam on the lines of DEV...who is very much in love but has not concocted himself,.that his heart n mind n all those feelings directed towards her...its a mishmash of emotions here n there...once he comes to face with his own hidden feelings...,im sure theres no turning for him...The passion would come at a stage once hes set into romantic notions about her ...n tats y im waiting for a jealousy track not cos its needed for realization but for the emotions that are very much buried deep inside him has to spurt out xplosively ...that she belongs to him..the ownership n the passion to possess will come only when he fears to lose her n tat is very much required...


Btw DOC..its a gud topic..im njoying the discussions here👏👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hi Doc,
I came to know about the serial recently and just caught up on all the episodes. So far interesting.
You have raised excellent points. Since the whole story has been from Naina's POV, we are seeing Sameer from her eyes.

You are afraid that Sameer is/will use Naina as an emotional crutch knowingly or unknowingly and this would not be a healthy relationship in that case. And you will be right. We will have to wait and watch where the story goes I guess. I hope this does not happen.

Yes he is touched by her love and attention. And he is feeling guilty of hurting a friend. We do not know yet if she is different from Munna or Pundit for him. So far I have not seen romantic love from him towards her, or at least not as intense as Naina's is. I do hope once he apologies and be friends with Naina, we get to see the build of romance from his point also. The only love he has seen is from his Nana and his friends. He does not know any other love. He has not seen his parents (between mom and dad or between mom and step-dad) love each other as they ought to. He has to learn to love and when he does, he will fall in love with Naina.

And Naina's love too need to change. She is still a child waiting for her prince charming. I am not questioning her love and sincerity. But, she needs to grow up too. So far she has seen only black and white. She needs to understand the grey areas of life. She is learning. And in yesterday's episode, the rose tinted glasses were ripped apart from her eyes. She will see Sameer for who really he is and She will learn to love him again. Only this time, it will as intense as it was now, but more mature.

Both of them will learn to love. Not filmy, with rose tinted glasses. But more mature.
And sometimes, we need to grow apart to grow individually and to come together in love in the end.

Love
Kshithi


Edited by Muggle_Diaries - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Destiny_015



Oh I get your point completely. And you make complete sense. But I think we see differently on some aspects. Major being you aren't convinced of Sameer being in love. I being convinced he is in love. The major reason why I can say that Sameer like "Loves" Naina for real is about his mother issue. This is a tangent which Sameer has with noone and plays a very important part of his relationship with Naina. Not even his buddies Munna and Pandit. Naina fullfilled a very hollow part of Sameer. Stuff that is very intimate for Sameer. Noone has cared for him the way Naina does. Things like sweater that kind of devotion is a definite point of stirring feelings in Sameer. Which is why Sameer unknowingly fell for Naina. He denies it cause I don't consider he had his realisation yet. As for the passion. They didn't have that phase yet for Sameer. Whom he would be jealous off when Naina have been doting all this while. If ny understanding is correct that phase for Sameer comes later. Like in this case I expect it in this redemption track. I don't know if you have seen Kuch Rang Ke. But as for a reference. We also saw Sona falling for Dev and being passionate about him. Dev's passion for Sona came a lot later in the story. Which was also destructive for him. Which I consider the same in case of Sameer. Sameer loves his friends a lot and is very devoted to them. So it can be estimated how devoted and loyal he would be to someone he loves. Sameer wasnt actually looking for love here. But he fell albeit unknowingly. Naina is special for him because she healed a part of him which he was so wounded inside him. Stuff like this make people attached to each other in a very intimate way. Binds them like no other. Atleast that's how it used to happen in 90s. People didnt share so much of theirs with each other and still be friends you know. That's a relatively modern concept. And that's the point of their story. How simple it is. Which is why I definitely see how this guy is in love with this girl. So for Sameer , Naina is this epitome of sunshine is his life. You would see him laughing so freely with Naina with that glint in his eyes. He might have never expressed it in words how he feels about Naina like how Naina did. But his actions were enough to put the word out. The boy is in love. The pyaar mein pagal phase yet to come.


A most interesting take, Destiny! (Btw I love your name 😊).. I haven't seen Kuch Rang but that doesnt deter me from getting your point.. I understand what you mean.. The guy himself has no clue about his feelings and is confused about it..
I like your point about the 90's very much - that people dont share so much without it not being special.
I have an example of the late 90's - the way I see this angle - Dil toh pagal hai.. to me, Naina is Karishma Kapoor to Shahrukh.. and needs to move to being Madhuri to Shah rukh 😃

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