Is Mani really so wrong in questioning where Raman's loyalties lie?

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@OfTheHeart

Sparkler

+ 8

Posted: 10 years ago

Hey! good evening guys!

So... is precap taking toil on you too? Well similar is my position and of my friends too who share this YHM cum KP mania with me!😆

We were just showering galis on Mani-Shani when we questioned, that if something like this happened in our real lives, and if our best friend (be it of other sex or of same sex) tries to talk it out, show us their real concern, just like family, is it wrong?

Well I would be happy if any such friend pops up who, in this world where people don't think about their own families, he thinks about my welfare. To work on it or not, though would be my right, but if he would show concern for me, I would take it... because I would know that he would genuinely be tensed for me.

We have already seen that Abhimanyu is not a negative character, he is not here to separate Ishita and Raman, rather he is their so that both come in terms of the truth that lies in each others heart, the real feeling that they have for each other, to measure its intensity and to show how other feels.

I think this time Abhimanyu is NOT wrong, rather here his little opinion might scratch some more dust from the frozen heart of Ishita and Raman! His concern is that of like a true friend, like a brother, like a family member.

In previous posts, I have been against Mani-Ishita friendship, not because I found Mani wrong, but because I found Ishita overlooking Raman's feeling!

I might be wrong, but I don't find Abhi wrong at this point, he is a friend, and if he doesn't feel concern for her and would not give her his opinion who would? But the important thing is how Ishita would take it, or should take it... he has right to make opinions about Raman because he doesn't know him, but its Ishita's duty to clear his doubts, to show him real Raman, to wash away his concern with Raman's true picture.

If today I would have BF problems, then I would share it with my best friend and that would give her right to judge him and give me opinions about my relationship or about my BF, but it would be my duty to bash him or too back him. Here She/he won't be wrong... So In my opinion Mani is not wrong...

Okay now gimme your views regarding this topic...

Edited by OfTheHeart - 10 years ago

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vidya.anand

@vidya.anand

Sparkler

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Posted: 10 years ago

I agree to one point that a third person who doesnt know anything about Raman or Ishita will think that all problems in Ishita's life is because of Raman but that person has no right to interfere in their life.

Coming to Mani

Its not about Mani being wrong or right in judging Raman. He can think whatever he wants but when he speaks to a wife about her husband, there is a limit which none can cross.

As a best friend to Ishita, he has no right to speak and try to get Ishita against Raman. I mean he knows Raman is a good person and both Raman-Ishita love each other, care for each other. So if he is a true friend, he should be invisibly trying to solve the problems in their life and not try to pull out Ishita from Raman's life which according to him is a mess but for Ishita, Raman is her life.

Mani already has realized it and if as he poses, he is a true friend and very much concerned for her, then he should only try and bring happiness in Ishra life.

IN every step he is only concerned for his friend Ishita and not for a woman who is a wife and mother now. thats the problem which Ishita needs to fix and put him in the right place. hope she does that tomorrow!

Nobody, including ur best friend has the right to interfere into the life of husband and wife to such an extent. He can be concerned but shouldnt try to brainwash!

Edited by vidya.anand - 10 years ago

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RheaSh

@RheaSh

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Mani is a friend of Ishita and he's got the right to voice out his concern for her. But problem is every time Mani butted into that sort of conversation uninvited. From jail scene to today's precap, every time he just passed his judgements in the veil of questioning or reasoning. Ishita has never asked for it. If we try to hear his tone each time, it's not mixed with concern rather it's clearly pouring out his preconceived judgement on Raman. Ishita never for once said she's not happy with Raman, instead she openly hinted to Mani that she's irrecoverably in love with Raman. Yet he is hellbent on proving Raman is not suitable for her by his words. Mani has judged Raman at the hospital time and somehow that got onto his mind permanently. Knowingly or unknowingly he made a certain image of Raman on his mind and he is now unable to get out of that certain image.

As far as Mani-Ishita friendship is concerned, it is over the top from day one. Mani is all the time hell concerned for Ishita. But where was he when she needed him most? He was nowhere near the picture. Certainly he didn't live in another planet then. It appears like Mani is that kind of a friend whom you see hovering around in good times but conveniently forget you when things get cloudy.

And now about the precap, it's very wrong to make it a wife vs a son scenario, no man can choose between them. Raman certainly knows how to balance his relationships, if Mani paid attention to Raman's activity rather than passing comments; he would've known by now. How Raman handled Adi and Ishita dilemma after Shagun's Sangeet ceremony, it should have been an eyeopener for Mani. His tone in the precap is also not a concerned one but he's voicing out the image he has on his mind regarding Raman and his marriage with her. Mani sounded like a shrewd businessman who measured a relationship in terms of profit and loss. He was not waiting for Ishita's reply, he's asking qustions and answering them too. That in no way sounded like a well wisher, it sounded like a person who was not okay with the relationship. He was no one to intrude into the very personal space of husband-wife in the first place but when he did, he acted against it. What did he say? "Raman's daughter, Raman's parents, Raman's sibling and where are you among them?"... "This marriage is a complete loss for you"... "Raman will choose Adi over you if such things happens in future". Did that sound like a concerned friend? He sounded like a condescending jerk who made up his mind previously and it won't change no matter how much Ishita tries to make him understand. He actually has very poor knowledge about relationships and his preconceived image of Raman is making things worse. On a lighter note, it's no wonder that after all these years he's still single. 😆

Edited by RheaSh - 10 years ago

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SAKIV

@SAKIVIAM

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 10 years ago

his biggets problem is he never tries to understand other situation.He simply believs that what he saw is true and everyone are wrong.

Ok he simply said that Raman will select Adi over Ishita.Did he even try to keep himself in Raman's position once.

Adi don't share same relation with Mani as he share with Raman.

Adi is his own son his blood not some friend's husbands son as for Mani.

He is thinking single possible way but he never tries to think what in innerturmoil of the person who is in situation.

He is definitly wrong in asking Raman's loyality vs his son.

If he asked over loyalities on Shagn vs Ishita he might have been right been right but not right as .

how can some one ask to choose between wife and son.

will he be able to slect same on his niece over friends

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Anju.

@ALUJNA21

Trailblazer

+ 10

Posted: 10 years ago

In few words when someone face the mirror the truth is out and it HURTS.

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Paru

@paru_rox

Rocker

+ 8

Posted: 10 years ago

To be frank am not a big fan of Mani & his meddling habits. To me he is a female Ishita who goes around poking his nose in affairs that don't concern him. And can the guy please give some expressions *sigh*.

Having said that, let me tell you that the precap did not perturb me a bit.

I actually liked the fact that finally someone shows Raman that he needs to give his wife equal importance in his life. In his friend's anniversary party a few months ago, Raman said that Adi & Ishita have separate importance in his life and he knows that. But we have all seen the guilt ridden love that Raman has for Adi - for not being there for his son & for being helpless when he was separated from his first-born. Because Adi is away from him, he has always given a bigger piece of his heart to that boy.

Raman has realized his love for Ishita and her place in his life. But he needs to say it. Also he has come out of his majboori based love for Adi.
I do believe that if after hearing Mani, he tries to distance himself from Ishita, this is finally going to lead to the moment of truth. The moment when Raman admits that his love for his children would never lead him to choose between them and his wife. He will treasure each one of them without letting go of the other.

Its mostly been about Raman and his problems, finally its about Ishita this time. Her place in his life. And Mani's concern is for his friend first, so he spoke to her having seen all that Ishita is going through especially when it comes to Adi.

Edited by paru_rox - 10 years ago

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Ashu25

@Ashu25

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+ 2

Posted: 10 years ago

You are right to a great extent..I agree, when I have some relationship problems and want to vent them all out, i would go to my best friend or a confidant..But the question here with Mani is..How sure are we he will stick around Ishita? See, he is shown as a true gentleman taking care of his friend's needs whenever and wherever required, but where was he when this same friend of his was going through a break up? Where was he when she was being taunted of all the non sense under the sun? Ishita , however, never shared ,in the earlier episodes ,anything about her life with this guy..Why now suddenly? She always had her sisters and her brother in law as her confidants.

Coming to opinion formation and the rest, being judgemental is okay absolutely..its your personal choice of an opinion framed by you on a person.. But how far is it right to advice a person or rather defy the person of his or her relation with their partners? Should he not have a background of what their relation is like ? Well, here he knows very little I agree..and this same reason applies to him to shut his bloody mouth up and not nonsensically blabber advises not required of him to give..

Ishita should put him to rest now..else she will be fired tomorrow..She needs to stand up for her relation with her husband and not allow ANYONE to talk rubbish if she ever cared..

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ipkforever

@ipkforever

Explorer

Posted: 10 years ago

According to me, Mani was totally in his character. His focus is always Ishita... He sees nothing more... Same is happening here. But, Happy that Raman was there to listen to the same. Raman needs to sort these issues. His past is intruding in his present. His relationship with Ishita is going to going to face a huge blow. Love must conquer... Not Ishra's love alone. Another story in danger too. These scenes are needed. Raman must understand all the relationships around him... His love, his son, his family... Mani is the perfect catalyst.

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Kavitha

@kavi4u

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

Mani is not completely wrong considering he is a good friend and well wisher for Ishita.

If tomorrow Adi tries to make truce with Raman, but puts this condition forward that - he does not want Ishita in his father's life. Raman will be in a dilemma because he loves Ishita as much as he loves Adi. And when a 11 year old is sooo obsessively in hatred with Ishita he would never try to understand Raman's point of view regarding Ishita.

I remember one of DT's bytes...life is not always black and white. It is grey. All answers cannot be a simple YES or NO. And I guess Mani understands this grey and Raman''s emotional attachment with his son. That's why he questioned Ishita !!