Is Mani really so wrong in questioning where Raman's loyalties lie?

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Aani

@EkPaheli

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Posted: 10 years ago

#21

As someone who has been in Mani' shoes once - as a best friend who grilled her best friend when I saw her making a HUGE mistake I cant find Mani wrong here. IF you are a REAL friend, leave alone best or not as a human being you are bound to wonder if you find your friend in a bad relationship/marriage what has my friend gotten into?

Mani has seen Raman' son making Ishita suffer hell twice in less than a week - for no fault of hers and while he knows the boy is troubled or misguided he doesnt know the extent of things or the depth of them - he only knows the surface and as such is saying things that cannot be labeled wrong from he stands frankly. Didnt Ishita judge Raman as a bad father too once before marrying him? Heck it took her months of staying with the man to see who he really is and what is his heart really like, how much he loves and adores his kids to bits...why cant Mani too then be extended the same liberty? He barely knows Raman but has seen that his friend was slighted on a platform by her husband which made her cry, her character was accused and now she is being made to live hell repeatedly at the hands of a preteen because of his misguided hatred...so no Mani IMO cannot be labeled as a BAD friend here nor his concern fake.

In fact had he kept mum even after seeing all of this it would have meant he isnt a friend at all really.

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sweetiepiee090

@sweetiepiee090

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Posted: 10 years ago

#22

Agree with you mani s true friend who s concerned abt her frnd he just dnt want her frnd to face heartbreak (in his pov) n future.. Abt precap what he ask to Ishita has point he s just tryng to shw mirror I dnt thnk he s wrong..

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Gollums Precious

@OfTheHeart

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Posted: 10 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Lekz
No matter how hard I try to hate the precap...the fact still remains that Mani was right as a friend.
He is worried for Ishita...
And most of Ishita's problems today are coz of Raman and his past.

I only hope Raman does not buckle under guilt and decide to move on...if anyone can help him get over his demons and get his life back on track its Ishita...so its now Raman who should realize that.
I am sure Ishita will.

That's what it is... The thing is he is just thinking about Ishita... Iff Raman leaves her for his son then what? What would happen to Ishita... This is the main question... When a person, who is your friend gives their opinion, they never think about the other guy... all they think about is what would come to you in the end... They would be concerned about you... because there relation is with you and not your spouse or partner... They know you... and they would want you happy... no matters how other would feel... We do same in real life...

Just because we know Raman as an audience, how can we decide that Abhi is wrong?

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Megher_Palok

@Megher_Palok

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Posted: 10 years ago

#24

of course Mani IS wrong to question where Raman's priorities lies.

*wishful thinking* Someone should even question Ishita that is she right in bringing an completely unknown outsider in b/w husband-wife private life. :P

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Imane

@The_Imane

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Posted: 10 years ago

#25

Well jo bhi ho, right or wrong, Mani is no one and has no right to judge it...its a relationship not a court case, he should not interfere like that, ishita and raman will deal themself with it, and if they both are happy with each other, or even as friends like each other, mani shani can go to hell!!

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bscorp13

@bscorp13

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Posted: 10 years ago

#26

Couple of things .. to the points you have made

I guess it's not about being a unidimensional mani..hater or basher..it's mainly the reason why the character needed to be in the script in the first place...

To make Raman realise and speak out his feelings?..I guess bala was anyday more suited for this. .

Act as a concerned friend..confidante. .who ensures Ishita's best interests...? Again bala was the perfect choice here..he has seen ishu at her best and worst..been her pillar and strength...i could have easily digested the same concern about Raman's loyalties coming from a more balanced person like bala. .

Also bala knows all 3 people concerned here...adi..raman..and Ishita well enough to actually raise any concerns...

Mani has been acting like a horse with blinkers on..all that he claims he can see is ishu and her happiness. .Yetc he never acknowledges her happiness. ..when she is with raman...He has seen many of those moments also by noW...hasn't he?..? He only sees the negative and magnifies it to ishita..and the precap is not the first time..Does that seem like what true friends do? Is that care? No I see it as a deep rooted obsession...since he couldn't have ishu...he wants to find faults in her current life...not that his intentions are wrong. ..but we have all heard the grapes are sour story right?

If mani had once sat ishu down and said.. you know what I spoke to raman in the hospital that day..and I had MUed him...and revealed all that he said...i might still hold a different opinion about his intentions. ..but no..he has always kept a different face ...a concerned one for ishu...and a scornful one for raman. ..As a viewer, this from a guy who appeared put of nowhere..is just not digestible.

On the reality bit...as a married woman...i would certainly not take my best friend advising me about my husband...however close he or she is to me...i might have ranted about trivial stuff...but life changing calls..a big NO.

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bscorp13

@bscorp13

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Posted: 10 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: RheaSh
RES

EDITED

Mani is a friend of Ishita and he's got the right to voice out his concern for her. But problem is every time Mani butted into that sort of conversation uninvited. From jail scene to today's precap, every time he just passed his judgements in the veil of questioning or reasoning. Ishita has never asked for it. If we try to hear his tone each time, it's not mixed with concern rather it's clearly pouring out his preconceived judgement on Raman. Ishita never for once said she's not happy with Raman, instead she openly hinted to Mani that she's irrecoverably in love with Raman. Yet he is hellbent on proving Raman is not suitable for her by his words. Mani has judged Raman at the hospital time and somehow that got onto his mind permanently. Knowingly or unknowingly he made a certain image of Raman on his mind and he is now unable to get out of that certain image.

As far as Mani-Ishita friendship is concerned, it is over the top from day one. Mani is all the time hell concerned for Ishita. But where was he when she needed him most? He was nowhere near the picture. Certainly he didn't live in another planet then. It appears like Mani is that kind of a friend whom you see hovering around in good times but conveniently forget you when things get cloudy.

And now about the precap, it's very wrong to make it a wife vs a son scenario, no man can choose between them. Raman certainly knows how to balance his relationships, if Mani paid attention to Raman's activity rather than passing comments; he would've known by now. How Raman handled Adi and Ishita dilemma after Shagun's Sangeet ceremony, it should have been an eyeopener for Mani. His tone in the precap is also not a concerned one but he's voicing out the image he has on his mind regarding Raman and his marriage with her. Mani sounded like a shrewd businessman who measured a relationship in terms of profit and loss. He was not waiting for Ishita's reply, he's asking qustions and answering them too. That in no way sounded like a well wisher, it sounded like a person who was not okay with the relationship. He was no one to intrude into the very personal space of husband-wife in the first place but when he did, he acted against it. What did he say? "Raman's daughter, Raman's parents, Raman's sibling and where are you among them?"... "This marriage is a complete loss for you"... "Raman will choose Adi over you if such things happens in future". Did that sound like a concerned friend? He sounded like a condescending jerk who made up his mind previously and it won't change no matter how much Ishita tries to make him understand. He actually has very poor knowledge about relationships and his preconceived image of Raman is making things worse. On a lighter note, it's no wonder that after all these years he's still single. 😆

word to everything here Rhea👏...and facts too...and this is why precisely such questions raised by him are totally unfathomable.

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Khuarnav

@Khuarnav

Navigator

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Posted: 10 years ago

#28

I have no problem with his caring for ishu. I get that. But I wld rather ve a best friend who understands me en his not judgemental. Ever since he met Raman and knew abt thei r/ship he has bn vry judgemental abt it.Even after everything raman will never be gd enough for ishu in his eyes. Apparently no one is except him.

Also he needs to undrstnd that she is nt dating OR hvng a fling or jst playing around. SHE IS A MARRIED WOMAN WHO WASNT FORCED INTO IT SO SHE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS GETTING INTO. Treating her like a deluded person who doesn't undrstnd relationships. I jst wish evry1 stops mking decisions on he behalf.

And lastly this is the second time his spewing this crap the first time he did it she shut him down flat out. Smthmes being a gd friend means knowing when to meddle and when to b supporting en he clearly doesnt get it.

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Shravs

@shravsss

Dazzler

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Posted: 10 years ago

#29

tis is wat i had in my mind wid respect to their frndship or say any frndship bond irrespective of its gender... today he once again proved tat he is a true frnd... he has all rites to discuss it wid ishu... n ishu shld clear his doubt regarding raman... here mani is just concerned abt his frnd n not their relationship or any other thing tat actually matters to ishita which he doesnt evn knw as he was nt thr to see their relationship tat was eventually steadily building up...

Ishita should tell him about her husband and d kind of man he is... bcz mani really doesnt knw abt him...

this reality chk was very much needed fr raman n ishu... fr thm to understnd d depth of their relationship n acceptance of it frm them n making d others knw... how imp are they are fr each other to survive n they are each others strength...

kudos to ur post👏 ... atleast i found one person... who has my point of view...😊😊

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1009044

Suspended

Posted: 10 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: RheaSh
RES

EDITED

Mani is a friend of Ishita and he's got the right to voice out his concern for her. But problem is every time Mani butted into that sort of conversation uninvited. From jail scene to today's precap, every time he just passed his judgements in the veil of questioning or reasoning. Ishita has never asked for it. If we try to hear his tone each time, it's not mixed with concern rather it's clearly pouring out his preconceived judgement on Raman. Ishita never for once said she's not happy with Raman, instead she openly hinted to Mani that she's irrecoverably in love with Raman. Yet he is hellbent on proving Raman is not suitable for her by his words. Mani has judged Raman at the hospital time and somehow that got onto his mind permanently. Knowingly or unknowingly he made a certain image of Raman on his mind and he is now unable to get out of that certain image.

As far as Mani-Ishita friendship is concerned, it is over the top from day one. Mani is all the time hell concerned for Ishita. But where was he when she needed him most? He was nowhere near the picture. Certainly he didn't live in another planet then. It appears like Mani is that kind of a friend whom you see hovering around in good times but conveniently forget you when things get cloudy.

And now about the precap, it's very wrong to make it a wife vs a son scenario, no man can choose between them. Raman certainly knows how to balance his relationships, if Mani paid attention to Raman's activity rather than passing comments; he would've known by now. How Raman handled Adi and Ishita dilemma after Shagun's Sangeet ceremony, it should have been an eyeopener for Mani. His tone in the precap is also not a concerned one but he's voicing out the image he has on his mind regarding Raman and his marriage with her. Mani sounded like a shrewd businessman who measured a relationship in terms of profit and loss. He was not waiting for Ishita's reply, he's asking qustions and answering them too. That in no way sounded like a well wisher, it sounded like a person who was not okay with the relationship. He was no one to intrude into the very personal space of husband-wife in the first place but when he did, he acted against it. What did he say? "Raman's daughter, Raman's parents, Raman's sibling and where are you among them?"... "This marriage is a complete loss for you"... "Raman will choose Adi over you if such things happens in future". Did that sound like a concerned friend? He sounded like a condescending jerk who made up his mind previously and it won't change no matter how much Ishita tries to make him understand. He actually has very poor knowledge about relationships and his preconceived image of Raman is making things worse. On a lighter note, it's no wonder that after all these years he's still single. 😆

Just wow...👏
No need to be modest, Mani is a judgmental prick. PERIOD.