Is Mani really so wrong in questioning where Raman's loyalties lie?

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Posted: 10 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: lilmzsunshine

They say that a wife can forgive the infidelity or mistakes of her hubby, but her best friends never can ... Because, of course, the BFFs don't see the good side, apologetic side, the sincerely repentant side of the hubby. And of course, they don't have that loving bond that the hubby-wife share.

That's why there's wisdom in NOT sharing everything b/w a hubby-wife with their respective friends/family. Not always wise ...

I know Ishita said some things to Mani that shouldn't be said to anyone, not to her parents or not to her best buddy. But this post is not about Ishita, it's about Mani and I don't want to get myself into Raman vs Ishita debate coz Ishita fans are very sensitive here in this forum. I don't want myself to be bashed by them. 🤣

Par common sense naam ki to cheez hoti hai yaar...Mani is a business tycoon, he must be good at dealing people. Plus Ishita said Mani understood dynamics of relationships very well...GHANTA SAMZHTA HAI YEH MANI...Anyone with some knowledge will realize Ishita is in love with her husband and she's very hapy with him. Yes, there will be problems at times but that's the beauty of marriage, isn't it? What is Mani's solution? Get yourself out Ishita from this mess (marriage)...wah wah kya samajhdar friend hai...bhagawaan aise friend kisiko na de, I honestly pray to god. 😆

PS: My daily quota of 10 posts is done now. Can't answer ur replies now for 24 hrs. I must say this rule is a hindrance to express one's views as a newbie.

Edited by MonalSingh - 10 years ago

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bscorp13

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Posted: 10 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: Nikki_Titli
Rhea,PB,Kavi,Monal- epic posts from u all...n its TRUE FACTS..!!

Shani is actually a DHABBA in the name of frndship...If Ishita had ONCE...atleast ONCE told her so called bestie tht she has probs in this relation,then i would hv for once TRIED TO THINK frm shani's pov..!! but here Ishita NEVER EVER said shes not happy...instead...she ws the one who told time n again tht she IS happy with Raman.. But Mr Delusional doesnt want to accept FACT..!! He donno a thing abt IshRa relation...but chale aaye advice dene...In simple language,uski kya aukaad hai IshRa relation ko question karne ko? I JUST HATED when Shani thrashed Raman as bad husband without knwin facts in hosp scene..!! And now he repeating same...Raman NEVER entered good books of his..So he IS hell bent on trying to Ishita is how Raman is a MISFIT in her life..!! Also lik Rhea said,where ws this so called best frnd when Ishita ws at her lowest phase post her break up with subbu?This guy IS in love with her n usin name of frndship..There were few instances when his glances to Ishita had DEFINITELY NO FRNDSHIP ANGLE..it ws the look u gave to one u love but saamnewaala doesnt knw...So his frndship itself is a million dolloar qn...But again as thts not point of discussion here,i would say MANI IS WRONG..!! feel free to disagree...but my beleif regarding shani stands TRUE as it isnt comin out of hatred for a char who tried to come b/w ishra...but its coz this char ws alwz shown in the most nonsense manner..!! i can evn connect with negative chars n evn for once understand y r they like this or tell stuffs..n they hv valid reasons too.!! But this shani char-his very existence itself is alwz a BIG QUESTION..!!

Word nikki...and to your post too kavi..

yes that's my main problem..the question itself is a valid one. Fact remains...raman has been in this scenario earlier and he chose ishita over adi. ...but why have this guy ask this question. ..? I don't buy the friend angle at all..he is just a plain OPPORTUNIST ...at least that's what his actions declare...

if ishita had been shown sharing all her probs in the past with him..inincluding her heartbreak with subbu..her marriage with Raman..her bonding with ruhi..etc etc...i could have at least seen him as a confidante...who can ask her some hard questions. .but when ishita has never ever told him she has any problems with raman or his family..or his ex wife and child...mani arriving at JUDGEMENTS?..As a friend is that justified...am sorry bit if i had a friend who judged my husband...however close he is.. would have got a ttongue lashing..to keep safe distance. ..

ishita didn't do this initially. ..she flamed mani's confidence...but she may have to pay the price...unless she takes a firm permanent stand with him.

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Colt.Pixy

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Posted: 10 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: Khuarnav
I have no problem with his caring for ishu. I get that. But I wld rather ve a best friend who understands me en his not judgemental. Ever since he met Raman and knew abt thei r/ship he has bn vry judgemental abt it.Even after everything raman will never be gd enough for ishu in his eyes. Apparently no one is except him.
Also he needs to undrstnd that she is nt dating OR hvng a fling or jst playing around. SHE IS A MARRIED WOMAN WHO WASNT FORCED INTO IT SO SHE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS GETTING INTO. Treating her like a deluded person who doesn't undrstnd relationships. I jst wish evry1 stops mking decisions on he behalf.

And lastly this is the second time his spewing this crap the first time he did it she shut him down flat out. Smthmes being a gd friend means knowing when to meddle and when to b supporting en he clearly doesnt get it.

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smritishah

@smritishah

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Posted: 10 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: RheaSh
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Mani is a friend of Ishita and he's got the right to voice out his concern for her. But problem is every time Mani butted into that sort of conversation uninvited. From jail scene to today's precap, every time he just passed his judgements in the veil of questioning or reasoning. Ishita has never asked for it. If we try to hear his tone each time, it's not mixed with concern rather it's clearly pouring out his preconceived judgement on Raman. Ishita never for once said she's not happy with Raman, instead she openly hinted to Mani that she's irrecoverably in love with Raman. Yet he is hellbent on proving Raman is not suitable for her by his words. Mani has judged Raman at the hospital time and somehow that got onto his mind permanently. Knowingly or unknowingly he made a certain image of Raman on his mind and he is now unable to get out of that certain image.

As far as Mani-Ishita friendship is concerned, it is over the top from day one. Mani is all the time hell concerned for Ishita. But where was he when she needed him most? He was nowhere near the picture. Certainly he didn't live in another planet then. It appears like Mani is that kind of a friend whom you see hovering around in good times but conveniently forget you when things get cloudy.

And now about the precap, it's very wrong to make it a wife vs a son scenario, no man can choose between them. Raman certainly knows how to balance his relationships, if Mani paid attention to Raman's activity rather than passing comments; he would've known by now. How Raman handled Adi and Ishita dilemma after Shagun's Sangeet ceremony, it should have been an eyeopener for Mani. His tone in the precap is also not a concerned one but he's voicing out the image he has on his mind regarding Raman and his marriage with her. Mani sounded like a shrewd businessman who measured a relationship in terms of profit and loss. He was not waiting for Ishita's reply, he's asking qustions and answering them too. That in no way sounded like a well wisher, it sounded like a person who was not okay with the relationship. He was no one to intrude into the very personal space of husband-wife in the first place but when he did, he acted against it. What did he say? "Raman's daughter, Raman's parents, Raman's sibling and where are you among them?"... "This marriage is a complete loss for you"... "Raman will choose Adi over you if such things happens in future". Did that sound like a concerned friend? He sounded like a condescending jerk who made up his mind previously and it won't change no matter how much Ishita tries to make him understand. He actually has very poor knowledge about relationships and his preconceived image of Raman is making things worse. On a lighter note, it's no wonder that after all these years he's still single. 😆

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smritishah

@smritishah

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Posted: 10 years ago

#45

Neither Mani was being a concerned friend there nor he was asking some questions for clarification. He was just badmouthing about Raman based on his judgements. I expected Ishita to lash out at Shani, but she didn't. What Mani said was purely offensive. No loving wife would tolerate that kind of badmouthing from anyone and no sane friend wouldn't even dare to utter such garbage.

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iffanvidz

@iffanvidz

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Posted: 10 years ago

#46

mani even openly talked to raman about this???

ishitha's and raman's marriage complications!!!

"so this is the opinion you got in your mind about me"

but mani denied it later!!!

he wants to check ishitha's pulse???

or may be he too saw raman 😃

and want to prove ishitha's true love towards him!!

After knowing these two people's hesitation towards confession😛

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Lata_ishra

@Lata_ishra

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Posted: 10 years ago

#47

i understand what u r saying that she is lucky to have a friend who cares about her and i know in real life too we share somethings like this to our best friends...

i will tell u my experience my friend had a problem with her mom in law as she dont like bcoz of their intercaste marriage and she used to bring mu between the couple and her husband had never told anything to his mom being known about her opinion about my friend and she used to share all her feelings with me...i had consoled her but never gave a judgement about her husband or her MIL and told her that her marriage is hell bcoz i know her husband has a special place for her in his life...And now every thing is good between and living happily with thier kid...sometimes iys the situations which makes the life miserable we should act according to it but should never blame some one for it...

u know we usually think our priorities changes after marriage and after having kids but u know priorities changes according to situations her mani is telling that raman will choose adi over ishu if he was old RKB he would have done that but now he is changing his priorities according to the situations in his life he is giving priority to everyone in his life who is close to him and mani is giving this comment even after seeing raman and knowing him and he saw ishu loves raman and raman loves ishu...

i am sorry but u cant give judgement about one's priorities bcoz priorites changes according to situations...

Edited by Lata_ishra - 10 years ago

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Soujanya

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Posted: 10 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: paru_rox

I actually liked the fact that finally someone shows Raman that he needs to give his wife equal importance in his life. In his friend's anniversary party a few months ago, Raman said that Adi & Ishita have separate importance in his life and he knows that. But we have all seen the guilt ridden love that Raman has for Adi - for not being there for his son & for being helpless when he was separated from his first-born. Because Adi is away from him, he has always given a bigger piece of his heart to that boy.
Raman has realized his love for Ishita and her place in his life. But he needs to say it. Also he has come out of his majboori based love for Adi.
I do believe that if after hearing Mani, he tries to distance himself from Ishita, this is finally going to lead to the moment of truth. The moment when Raman admits that his love for his children would never lead him to choose between them and his wife. He will treasure each one of them without letting go of the other.
Its mostly been about Raman and his problems, finally its about Ishita this time. Her place in his life. And Mani's concern is for his friend first, so he spoke to her having seen all that Ishita is going through especially when it comes to Adi.

This mirrors my thoughts exactly! See I am not worried who said what to who about whom in this case. Yea Mani is kind of super over protective about Ishita but this is such an important point to bring up, and we know that neither Raman nor Ishita would ever dare broach the topic of Adi vs. Ishita, or moreso the hatred Adi has for Ishita, here is Ishita thinking we will help Adi become a better person, and Raman is an emotionally broken man. I can never get myself to trust Raman when it comes to Adi. Its always boils down to his pain of being away from Adi. I totally agree that Raman values Ishita and loves her, but he needs to tell her that, and he needs to come out his majboori based love for Adi as you said, because that will cause more problems to not only Ishra, but Ruhi and Adi as well. Finally there is a mirror in front of Raman, and he needs to face his majboori/problems once and for all, and learn to balance them. I will give him credit because he is already on this path, he has realized his son is longer "his" son, he is absolutely Shagun's son in every sense. But at the same time, I can totally foresee Adi misusing Raman's majboori/love for his benefit, because quiet frankly the Kid doesn't care about anyone but his mother (with good reason, he is misguided). If it takes Mani to bring on this problem for Ishra then so be it, because I know when this track ends, Raman and Ishita will finally have a complete family, and they both will be happy! I absolutely agree with what you said at the end, all these days it has been about others importance in Ishra's life, be it Adi, or Shagun, or whomever, its finally about each other now, mainly its about Ishita, and I hope Raman will take a stand and finally come out of his dilemma or whatever he is going through. Mani is somewhat justified in the sense that in his point of view, Raman has always been the "cause" of Ishita's hurt which is not true we know that, but him being an onlooker does not. To him, he feels like she is getting caught up in a web where people will do anything to bring each other down. Remember Bala's and Ishita's conversation in the earlier episodes, where she says, this triangle game Ashok, Shagun, and Raman are playing I don't want to be a part of it, but Bala says that's why you have entered the picture to break this triangle, and to save Raman and his(now their) children. He pointed out that Adi is Raman's weakness, and Ishita already knows this so it won't be hard for her to deal with Raman's inner turmoil if it comes up(because she can already expect this problem). Bala said let Raman make his decisions, and give him space, but when it feels like it is getting to much then reach out to him. And thats what we have been seeing till now. She gives ample time to Raman to always workout his feelings and then gives him the help he needs (like in accident track). I hope the CV's still remember this Bala and Ishita's conversation because this captures the plot for me in a way! I still count on this explanation Bala gave to Ishita, because it pretty much sums up Raman's and Ishita's life problems.

Edited by Vsoujanya - 10 years ago

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Aani

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Posted: 10 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: MonalSingh
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He is very close friend of Ishita and he should get the liberty of misjudging Raman as Ishita exactly did the same in previous encounters before her marriage with Raman. I get that. Although it doesn't make sense that if Ishita did a mistake, Mani would have got the license to repeat it. chaalo maan liya...it's fault of Raman to make them realize what he really is from inside. But still Mani and Ishita misjudgments are 180 degree opposite.

Ishita judged Raman, even told Raman how she felt about him but never dictated what he must do because it was not her place to say. Whereas Mani not only judged Raman, she openly dictating Ishita what she must do. If you watch the precap closely, he's asking questions and answering them without waiting for Ishita's response. He's openly declaring Ishita's relationship with Raman a lost case and subtly indicating from time to time Ishita should get out this relationship as soon as possible. This is not an act of a friend, specially when Mani knows Ishita is deeply in love with Raman. Yes, Mani is judgmental but at the same time he's not stopping there; he's slowly started to dictate Ishita about what she must do based on his judgments.

I never said his advise is right, only his intentions are - which are of a friend.

Mani has a basic knowledge of a marriage, of relationships in general BUT he has no experience regarding those IMO. He is a lone man from what we have seen aside from a niece and a nephew who are MIA currently at least on screen, he has no one - he IMO hasnt even been in a relationship ever and hence he doesnt know you cannot always be in the long haul if you cant keep with the downs and the lows of a relationship - he thinks like in business if a venture isnt profitable it isnt worth it so it is with life in general too - if a business isnt reaping profits shut it, if a relationship is going through a phase that isnt rosy end it...but can things be really calculated thus?

You dont know things until you have lived them. Mani at a surface value sees things, makes an opinion and shoots through his hip BUT he doesnt count in one factor that he is only seeing things from his perpective and what he has is a basic understanding of things - the theoretical knowledge if I may, now theory wise we know a lot of things but practicals are another ball game altogether. Its like cooking something by reading a recipe from a book/online/packet - but that recipe only provides you instructions it cannot actually be an insight to your experience - which is why even when we follow precise instructions sometimes we screw up things the dish doesnt come off as its supposed too.

A marriage isnt a merger of companies where the specific terms and conditions are laid out clause by clause in the partnership where the roles are pre-assigned and the shares distributed beforehand with a knowledge of who holds the upper hand or who calls the shots in which department. You cannot run a marriage the same way you run a business, a company. The losses in a marriage are suffered by both as are the profits celebrated by both - but if a marriage faces a storm you cannot simply walk out of it in the blink of an eye - as you are EMOTIONALLY INVESTED and unlike financial investment there is no way to maintain a margin of profits vs loss for this that easily. You can surely compare the good times vs the bad ones an d the knowledge of what that means to you in long term but you cannot take a call about anything in the span of a heartbeat.

Mani is being someone who is seeing things from his end and from where he stands as someone who has only theoretical knowledge of things he is laying out his POV to Ishita.

His intentions aren't bad, he isn't purposely trying to drive a wedge between his friend and her husband, he isn't being an obsessed lover who wants Ishita - he is being a friend who hasn't experienced things himself and is thus in his mind looking out for her, a person he is very much attached too. The person that he has known all his life as per him is getting a raw deal in her marriage and he is thus stating so.

To simply put it he is a person who is making a comment about an area he does not have an expertise in. I am sure everyone of us has at some point talked about relationships with our friends or heard them or anyone else - now if the two people who are talking things as Ishita and Mani are, discuss some phase of a marriage/relationship and one of them says end this once and for all, the other wouldn't just say yeah you are right, the response would be it isn't as easy as you think.

A single person has no idea what it is to be in a relationship with someone, especially if they never have had anyone in their life. Having remained unattached they can speak of things from their end where things aren't so complex but the one who is in the relationship that is facing tough times can't take the easy way out cause frankly once you are in it with someone no way out is easy even if it is for your betterment or right/logical, point in case Simi; she couldn't end her marriage in just a day it took her months and months to get to this point.

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AroraTanya

@AroraTanya

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Posted: 10 years ago

#50

I didn't want to butt in because many of usalready gave absolutely brilliant replies. I loved reading them. However, I couldn't resist myself in the end but I won't point out my view much. I will just point out Mani's TWISTED views.

Let's see how "caring" friend Mani expressed his "concern" for Ishita:

"Ishita, your huband is a divorcee and you are also hurt in love. But life has given you second chance, don't ruin it."

"Why are you putting up with him and his family? This is not your problem, theirs."

"Ishita, you love your husband so much. Why don't you tell him your feelings?"

"This marriage is a total loss for you"

"Ishita, you have got a very caring family (in-laws). You are very lucky."

"Raman's children, Raman's parents, Raman's siblings...where are you in the picture?"

"Ishita, Raman deserved it. He is a very good businessman, that's why I recommend his name."

"Raman, you not only don't understand business dynamics but you don't understand your wife as well."

"Why don't you accept, Ishita ; you are irrecoverably in love with your Ravaan Kumar?!"

"Why don't you accept, Ishita; Raman's past is hurting you? Why should you bear his burden?"

"Raman, I was wrong recognizing you! Perhaps I was too protective towards Ishita."

"I didn't expect it but Raman handled the whole situation very well".

"Raman will choose Adi over you (Ishita) in future"

"Raman doesn't deserve Ishita."

"Raman is perfect for Ishita."

"Now I understand, you (Raman) and Ishita are made for each other and your marriage is perfect"

"Ishita, your marriage was a very bad deal. There is no good in it!"

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Holy Crap!!!! 🤬 Is this a SANE man talking! I believe he's got split personality disorder.

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