Is Mani really so wrong in questioning where Raman's loyalties lie? - Page 8

Originally posted by: kodai

The CV's have forgotten what they showed previously - where both Ishita and Raman were there for each other and did a lot for each other's family. CV's for lack of sense want to show as Mahaan Ishita which is totally unconvincing.

Except loving Ruhi, which is the whole premise of the show, where are all these dialogues about "mahaan" coming from ???

She hurts Raman, Raman hurts her back. Raman's hurt is silent, her hurt is voiced out by various characters telling how great Ishita is and has to put up with brute Raman.

She has made Raman's life happier, but so has Raman made her life happier. If a woman makes her own home happy, is she doing favors ??

To me this story is not Beauty and Beast- Raman is no beast, he's a very volatile, bitter but still a honest, dependable and extremely loving and giving person.

Why is any adjustment, understanding in a man-woman relationship is portrayed as sacrifice from woman's side ?

Are Indian audience so immature that they can only love unrealistic characterization ? Why do CV's underestimate the viewers. Indian classics ( they became classics because of universal appeal) portray Sita but she's wedded to a Ram. They portray Draupadi, who is out for revenge for insult. They show Kunti, who's not judged for leaving her child. Buniyaad and Hun log were universally watched and they showed a wide range of characters we loved without glorifying one.

However, CV's take this route of least effort :(

man this is the best post 👏👏👏
@bold: thanks for bringing this much in light 👏

Those who are saying Raman's past is hurting Ishita, can't they see it is same for Raman too? Ishita's past and people related to Ishita are also hurting Raman. Marriage is not about sharing happiness only, it's about sharing pain, sorrows as well.

I will soon write MY SPOILER to let you how Ishita's PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE are hurting her husband.

Originally posted by: kodai

The CV's have forgotten what they showed previously - where both Ishita and Raman were there for each other and did a lot for each other's family.CV's for lack of sense want to show as Mahaan Ishita which is totally unconvincing.

Except loving Ruhi, which is the whole premise of the show, where are all these dialogues about "mahaan" coming from ???

She hurts Raman, Raman hurts her back. Raman's hurt is silent, her hurt is voiced out by various characters telling how great Ishita is and has to put up with brute Raman.

She has made Raman's life happier, but so has Raman made her life happier. If a woman makes her own home happy, is she doing favors ??

To me this story is not Beauty and Beast- Raman is no beast, he's a very volatile, bitter but still a honest, dependable and extremely loving and giving person.

Why is any adjustment, understanding in a man-woman relationship is portrayed as sacrifice from woman's side ?

Are Indian audience so immature that they can only love unrealistic characterization ? Why do CV's underestimate the viewers. Indian classics ( they became classics because of universal appeal) portray Sita but she's wedded to a Ram. They portray Draupadi, who is out for revenge for insult. They show Kunti, who's not judged for leaving her child. Buniyaad and Hun log were universally watched and they showed a wide range of characters we loved without glorifying one.

However, CV's take this route of least effort :(

Loved ur post!

U just went to the root cause!
Mani character is introduced to glorify ishita! N to voice out her pains!
But as u said being old viewers of this show we know... That even ishita has hurt raman n but raman sufferings r always silent...
N raman has done a lot for ishita happiness but those things r not voiced out. ..

So the final picture what comes in front of audience is raman hurts ishita...raman has not done anything for her n her family! But Ishita being great mahaan whatever still bearing raman!

If cvs really want to portray ishita strong n great character then they should show ishita taking a step against injustice like molestation!

Then they won't need another character just to glorify her!

But in contrast we r getting to see ishita bringing molester home n attending their functions... Bringing husbands ex wife home n making her sleep in his bedroom... N not understanding husbands pain n hurting him again n again and not even feeling guilty for that n not apologising for her mistakes !

So after butchering her character so much obviously cvs had to introduce a character like mani..!

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

I never said his advise is right, only his intentions are - which are of a friend.

Mani has a basic knowledge of a marriage, of relationships in general BUT he has no experience regarding those IMO. He is a lone man from what we have seen aside from a niece and a nephew who are MIA currently at least on screen, he has no one - he IMO hasnt even been in a relationship ever and hence he doesnt know you cannot always be in the long haul if you cant keep with the downs and the lows of a relationship - he thinks like in business if a venture isnt profitable it isnt worth it so it is with life in general too - if a business isnt reaping profits shut it, if a relationship is going through a phase that isnt rosy end it...but can things be really calculated thus?

You dont know things until you have lived them. Mani at a surface value sees things, makes an opinion and shoots through his hip BUT he doesnt count in one factor that he is only seeing things from his perpective and what he has is a basic understanding of things - the theoretical knowledge if I may, now theory wise we know a lot of things but practicals are another ball game altogether. Its like cooking something by reading a recipe from a book/online/packet - but that recipe only provides you instructions it cannot actually be an insight to your experience - which is why even when we follow precise instructions sometimes we screw up things the dish doesnt come off as its supposed too.

A marriage isnt a merger of companies where the specific terms and conditions are laid out clause by clause in the partnership where the roles are pre-assigned and the shares distributed beforehand with a knowledge of who holds the upper hand or who calls the shots in which department. You cannot run a marriage the same way you run a business, a company. The losses in a marriage are suffered by both as are the profits celebrated by both - but if a marriage faces a storm you cannot simply walk out of it in the blink of an eye - as you are EMOTIONALLY INVESTED and unlike financial investment there is no way to maintain a margin of profits vs loss for this that easily. You can surely compare the good times vs the bad ones an d the knowledge of what that means to you in long term but you cannot take a call about anything in the span of a heartbeat.

Mani is being someone who is seeing things from his end and from where he stands as someone who has only theoretical knowledge of things he is laying out his POV to Ishita.

His intentions aren't bad, he isn't purposely trying to drive a wedge between his friend and her husband, he isn't being an obsessed lover who wants Ishita - he is being a friend who hasn't experienced things himself and is thus in his mind looking out for her, a person he is very much attached too. The person that he has known all his life as per him is getting a raw deal in her marriage and he is thus stating so.

To simply put it he is a person who is making a comment about an area he does not have an expertise in. I am sure everyone of us has at some point talked about relationships with our friends or heard them or anyone else - now if the two people who are talking things as Ishita and Mani are, discuss some phase of a marriage/relationship and one of them says end this once and for all, the other wouldn't just say yeah you are right, the response would be it isn't as easy as you think.

A single person has no idea what it is to be in a relationship with someone, especially if they never have had anyone in their life. Having remained unattached they can speak of things from their end where things aren't so complex but the one who is in the relationship that is facing tough times can't take the easy way out cause frankly once you are in it with someone no way out is easy even if it is for your betterment or right/logical, point in case Simi; she couldn't end her marriage in just a day it took her months and months to get to this point.

Life is grey. It's not entirely white and it's not entirely black either. I think Mani is more than old enough to understand this. Maybe he lives in a world where everything is either black or white which is practically impossible to be honest. But his opinions are just like that. He never tried to understand Raman's position in this. Did he think once how would he react if he were into Raman's position? It doesn't matter whether he's ever married or not, whether he's in some sort of relationship or not; a man in his mid thirties must be more sensible and understanding, right? At least we could expect him to have some common sense to understand when not to cross the limit. We could overlook his judgmental advises once or twice but he deliberately keeps on doing so. When one keeps on repeating his/her mistakes, it's become a habit.

Sahi kaha...in most cases, Mani's advises are not right. But doesn't it make him look bad as a friend? Even if we assume, he's got no ill motives behind IshRa and their relationship; he's always creating havoc in Ishra love life through his ill advised judgmental remarks. How as a friend Mani and his friendship with Ishita are justified when he's impact on IshRa is always negative even though Mani might be a saint?

Mani is right in his view...sooo I dun think to bash Mani...

I guess those who were defending Man saying he has the right to ask such questions have got your answer from Mrs. Ishita Raman Bhalla.

I'm very happy that Ishita said almost the same thing that I said in my replies life as grey-black-white. Mani sudhar jao, next time you will lose ur dignity. 😆

Originally posted by: MonalSingh

I guess those who were defending Man saying he has the right to ask such questions have got your answer from Mrs. Ishita Raman Bhalla.

I'm very happy that Ishita said almost the same thing that I said in my replies life as grey-black-white. Mani sudhar jao, next time you will lose ur dignity. 😆

i remembered u monal when she said abt tht "grey" line...😆😉

evry single line ishita said ws wht v AM gang hv been sayin since so long..THANK U ISHITA for FINALLY doin the much needed thing which u should hv done long time..!! finally kisiko apna jagah dikha hi diya...uff hw much i feel RELEIVED..shani got ROYAL BABAJI KA THULLU...his face ws WORTH watching..😆😆

Manis intentions are correct and i will defend him too. its like everyone from the family gave good advice to Simi about param, but she was blinded. it is sd tat param is a jerk. wuld definiteluy like my bff to be frank nd honest with me. Mani and ishita were not acusing or dfending raman they wre bth ptting accross their points. yu wld do that for anyone yu care bout. the intention ws pure concern and nt trying to insult raman. he said that raman is nice bt like a good friend he is worried about ishita madam.