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Posted: 10 years ago
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From the larger point of view, I have no issues in what she wears. Because in general all they want to convey is the difference between the two woman. Ishita and Shagun. Shagun is all about external beauty and Ishita about internal.

Although I've seen Ishita wear backless on Mihir's function too, so that argument is just baseless. But then again, Ishita should wear what she is comfortable in. Just that on a personal note and nothing to do with the episode or character I would have loved if they gave her a better saree to wear. Because she's worn them before and also because Divyanka carries them very well.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Actually, I take back the last part of my former comment. I don't think a woman needs to wear even a designer sari for a cocktail party either. If she wants to come in a traditional kanjeevaram sari, what's the big deal? Aren't we all advocates for women rights? A woman should wear what she is comfortable in whenever she wants. The occasion should not force her to wear something she's not comfortable in.

If Ishita feels more comfortable in traditional sari, then she should wear that for any occasion she wants.

It's true that people should wear western outfits if they're comfortable in them, but the same is true for the other side as well. I think CVs showed this episode today because so many women are looked down nowadays if they wear sari. Western clothes are becoming much more acceptable in society but in the process, the women who prefer traditional clothing are made to feel ugly and plain. A woman can be sexy and gorgeous in a sari too, even a traditional sari. There is a stereotype nowadays that a woman in western dress is sexy and gorgeous, and a woman in sari is "homely". Women in saris are not often described as beautiful. So I can understand Ishita's insecurity.

The CVs message is that beauty is inherent, not dependent on clothing. They wanted to show people that women in saris can be just as gorgeous as women in western dresses, but the route they took to portray this message was a bit weird.


Ok I understand ur POV n completely agree to it as well that women who dont dress up are looked down upon. N I am not saying that wearing gowns etc makes u modern and wearing a Saree makes u traditional.

But then those women who dress up as per the occassions r Non traditional is this justified? This is what m asking.

N Ishita before has worn gowns n designer outfits, its not like she is uncomfortable in them. So y get this issue now after showing her in gowns n designer outfits before?

Ishita was not comfortable wearing that dress which Raman got m ok with it. She wore an attire which was suited for a different function and still media praised her for her beauty - m ok with this too, but portraying her as Traditional and people who wear gowns as non traditional is wrong IMO.

Thanks for commenting. 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: -Anku-

From the larger point of view, I have no issues in what she wears. Because in general all they want to convey is the difference between the two woman. Ishita and Shagun. Shagun is all about external beauty and Ishita about internal.


Although I've seen Ishita wear backless on Mihir's function too, so that argument is just baseless. But then again, Ishita should wear what she is comfortable in. Just that on a personal note and nothing to do with the episode or character I would have loved if they gave her a better saree to wear. Because she's worn them before and also because Divyanka carries them very well.


Yes I completely agree with u,

N frankly speaking I had problems only when this traditional vs non traditional approach is taken. they should have kept that out IMO.

Rest all the underlying message of todays episode etc was necessary coz Shagun thinks she is the best looking female in the world, so she will think 100 times before going back to Raman coz now Raman has a more beautiful wife than he had in past.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I think what the maker is trying to show is not that a woman in a backless is a vamp or stuff - Ishita herself said Shagun looks pretty but you need to be dressed with what you are comfortable in to stand out; for Ishita a shoulderless backless dress was not something she found herself comfortable in and hence declined to wear it.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">And similarly the question can be asked - does only wearing a revealing/western dress make someone sexy? Being sexy is more of an attitude as per me rather than anything else. You could look smoldering covered head to toe as well, outfits come later.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">In the new BTS Ishita is shown having a similar thought process too - a woman wearing a saree can be sexy too and similarly a woman who wears saree could be sexy when she wants to be - it depends is she wants to be sexy just for her husband or for the world - cos at the end of it - it you arent comfortable even if you are wearing a saree it is gonna show and make you a butt of jokes</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hope no offence is taken Megha lovely post BTW😊</font>



Great post Aani, but honestly I still don't understand the issue here Ishita had worn gowns in the past and some were backless so for her to suddenly have a problem with it does seem quite strange. If Ishita hadn't worn gowns then it is entirely a different matter. Most of Ishita's sarees are backless too, the only difference is that she had her hair loose and open which she could have done the same with the dress.

The big issue I have is Ishita having no qualms to give her gift which her husband had brought for her to wear and to make a matter worst, she didn't even ask him or let him know in advance. Ishita made Raman look like a fool in front of his ex-wife. It's even more bizarre when it's not so long age she kicked up a big fuss to Raman for disrespecting her gift to him when she, herself, is also doing the same.

In simple words I have a major problem with this show is how writers are lacking in precision and accuracy in characterisation of both Raman and Ishita.
Edited by CharmGal - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#35
I really don't care that Ishita didn't wear that particular dress...esp if she was not comfortable in it. My problem is why do the heroines in these soaps always have to be the spokesperson for one cause or the other! Why can't they for once be just normal people who are not placed on a pedastal constantly for one agenda or the other.. Everything they do has to prove a point- whether it be "feminism," a woman's right to have a male friend, or a women's right to wear a saree (I didn't even realize there was such a movement out there). Every track needs a preaching moment...why???
And as you said, after all this the writers muck up the whole point anyway. If a woman is supposed to be sexy in a saree, then why is Ishita dressing up as a cocktail waitress at home? what point does this prove 😕
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Posted: 10 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: mnr123


Oh this Nayi soch is beyond my understanding 🤪i guess m stupid to think otherwise 😆

@Bold is my thoughts too but was really disappointed how it was shown that wearing something that women like is looked down upon in this case talking about Shagun. CVs shouldnt have made traditional vs non traditional issue only shown that Ishita was most beautiful in that party.

Thanks for the comment 😊


😆 After seeing the episode two things which comes to the mind where cv doesn't give any valid reason-
First no matter what a wife can't give a dress which is purchased by hubby to anyone forget ex-wife?Being married I will not do this ever means ever... and even if someone behaves like this which is something beyond my little brain capacity( means understanding😆).

Secondly- Why suddenly they are projecting this topic that wearing a saree means this and that( as u mentioned in your above mentioned post). If ishita has never wear any western dress before, then it is natural and easy to co relate to her that it is matter of comfort and no need to force her for western dress. ( am not debating wether she is looking good or not ..of course she was looking very good in indian saree). SInce its was cocktail party and almost everyone was wearing western dress what was the need to show this?I would have like it more if they come up with some valid reason other than whatever is shown? Again valid reason and cv of yhm have no connection. So am not expecting anything these days..😆 Is trp really fall if they showed something practical things on screen???

But surprisingly I liked the idea ISHRA discussing clothes - I liked to share my experience as well -my hubby loved saree and am more comfortable in western dress. Since for saree means first of all take alot of time to get ready and wear accessories as well, then makeup etc , BUt in western dress only dress and less jewellery with little makeup - perfect combo for person like me who is not at all interested in clothes and jewellery.😆.. So in short even we fought on this topic..

P.s. Sorry for long post... just flow mein aa gayi thi😆
Edited by mayu1982 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#37
Honestly I don't feel it was about ishita standing for a cause or anything it was actually a build up for their relationship
Raman wanted her to wear it - she felt uncomfortable and did not
Raman was as usual rude and stubborn about - she too was
Raman told her how she should dress like everyone - she said she is like this only
The press praised her to show not a Saree v dress thing but for raman to realise that it does not matter what his wife wore she got noticed and they get celeberated
Ishita was made to feel that she is not sexy - So she wears something sexy for him in private to tell him it's only for him in the privacy of their life

I feel that is how comfortable she has become with him she is ready to do something which she would never have and will never do in public

Her giving away dress to shagun was not giving husbands gift away but saying the dress went to the person it belonged to - and raman has ishita who belongs to him



I interpreted like this!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Apparently

I really don't care that Ishita didn't wear that particular dress...esp if she was not comfortable in it. My problem is why do the heroines in these soaps always have to be the spokesperson for one cause or the other! Why can't they for once be just normal people who are not placed on a pedastal constantly for one agenda or the other.. Everything they do has to prove a point- whether it be "feminism," a woman's right to have a male friend, or a women's right to wear a saree (I didn't even realize there was such a movement out there). Every track needs a preaching moment...why???

And as you said, after all this the writers muck up the whole point anyway. If a woman is supposed to be sexy in a saree, then why is Ishita dressing up as a cocktail waitress at home? what point does this prove 😕


Well said!!!
The best comment I have read on ANY Forum in the longest time👏


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Meghz
I cant read all the comments on all the pages... right now

My only one is

Its how people assume a person that speaks English is progressive and modern and the one that cant is automatically considered regressive and backward...

I rest my case...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nisha0604

Meghz

I cant read all the comments on all the pages... right now

My only one is

Its how people assume a person that speaks English is progressive and modern and the one that cant is automatically considered regressive and backward...

I rest my case...


HI nisha ..
Good valid points ..
But what if person knows both english and hindi then what?😊.

Then logical that person will speak whatever majority of ppl are speaking ( just my pov)
Similarly i guess ppl are trying to say since ishita knows both the language( since u r comparing it with that ) so she should speak whatever majority of ppl are speaking.She might be comfortable in hindi no doubt but she knows english as well then why not? What is the need to speak in hindi only ? Just to show that u r different person than rest of ppl. what is the need to stand in odd man out circle?


P.S. Otherwise for me- language is just medium to express ur views and thoughts. Ur views and thoughts should be good no matter whatever medium u choose same goes for dress as well. just expressing my views not against any character nor someone who is having different pov on this topic..

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