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Posted: 10 years ago
#31
THIS. Aani, I always love your posts. So insightful and so great to read. And this post of yours is the same, insightful and great to read.

I feel so betrayed by the show. This last episode, although it had cute moments, it was such a W*F kind of episode. Like you said, how do you go from thinking your wife is having an affair, from humiliating her in public, to apologizing and having everything all hunky-dory again? Like no, it just does not make sense.

For me, this entire track was to show the devastating effect Shagun's betrayal had on Raman; it COMPLETELY changed him as a person.

I'm firmly in the camp that thinks of Ishita's and Mani's friendship as alright. She did wrong by lying to him and changing Mani's contact name, but other than that, I think she's been within her bounds as a wife and friend. You discuss things with your friends, from happiness to sadness to disappointment. And Ishita does all that with Mani, that's why the topic often goes to Raman, because he features in all three emotions for her. He is the reason for her happiness, he makes her sad and he is the reason she gets disappointed. Raman is central to Ishita's life and therefore it makes sense that she discusses him with Mani. And tbh, she never involved him in the Romi affair initially. He found out himself and confronted her and then tried to help her to save HER Raman. Obviously she'd go along with Mani and let him in on the secret, because it concerns Raman's wellbeing. She would never, ever cheat on Raman. And Raman knows it. That's why he doubts the initial idea that she could cheat on him.

However, Shagun's betrayal has left such raw wounds and such a deep effect on his psyche, that he could not let those thoughts go. The fact that he even entertained, nursed, and believed in the fact that Ishita could cheat on him, spoke volumes to me. Throughout the entire track, Raman compared her behaviour with Shagun's behaviour. He couldn't help but wonder is Ishita is cheating on him. Shagun and Ishita's behaviour was similar to a point, but very different for the most part. Ishita generally told him when she was with Mani (hence why he was so jealous). Whereas Shagun hid everything from Raman (hence why he was so blindsided). And also, I think another point to be noted, is that he never directly accused her of cheating of her/ even asked her to clarify his doubt. He was too scared to hear the answer, because of his fear of rejection (again due to Shagun). Shagun's betrayal completely altered Raman's self perception. He did outwardly change himself into the alpha male, but on the inside, he's still the insecure man afraid of rejection. Even though Ishita's conduct was different from Shagun's, he could only focus on the similarities. And he didn't have the guts to figure out the real situation/ hear from Ishita's mouth that she was cheating on him. He blames himself, that HE drove her to cheat on him. That's why he took the dramatic step of trying to get intimate with her the other night.

Its important to note, that during his marriage to Shagun, Raman was pretty secure as a person. Yes he was geeky, but he didn't necessarily compare himself to men, like he does know. He thought Ashok was cool (when Ashok was his boss initially) and that was it. He didn't hesitate to introduce Shagun to him or anyone else because he was secure in his marriage. He felt no reason to even doubt her or even entertain the fact that she could leave him for someone better. Compare this to the current Raman. He's always sizing up so called opponents (remember his first meeting with Mani at the school?). And he does entertain doubts that maybe he drove Ishita to cheat on him. He's riddled with insecurity and fear of rejection, as the affect of Shagun's betrayal.

I wanted this track to show this. To show Ishita and us viewers the effect Shagun's betrayal had on him. To show Ishita that she needs to find out the entire story of what went down between him and Shagun in order to understand Raman better. To show Raman that not all women are like Shagun. Although he's claimed that Ishita is better than Shagun, he has compared them often. He needs to stop doing that and realize that women are different. There's not necessarily a set standard to which you can compare them. Raman needs to realize that Ishita cannot be compared to Shagun for that matter.

But most of all, I wanted this track to show COMMUNICATION between them. Raman and Ishita are severely lacking when it comes to communication. They need to have a discussion on this.

Idk, sorry for the long and rambly post, but had to get my thoughts out LOL.

I'm desperately hoping that the CVs aren't done with this track. Raman and Ishita have the habit of sweeping things under the table. They don't like to deal with serious issues that make them question each other and their relationship. They prefer to stick to what they know, hence the fighting. I'm hoping that the CVs show this. Show that this humour fighting is a way of pretending that they don't have issues they need to address. That the fighting is their way of ignoring that their relationship has evolved to being more than "sirf Ruhi ke liye."
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Posted: 10 years ago
#32
Awesome post Aani...thanks for making this thread! it portrays exactly my thoughts!

Disappointed would be a understatement but as I mentioned in some post.
ek baar, dho baar, teen baar disappoint hui thi but ab harr baar bas aadat si hogayi.

Its a sort of disconnection and indifference I felt when I saw that episode right after the episode which was like do or die for ISHRA, high on emotions and highest point of MU...

I had even posted that it seemed like I missed a few episodes when Raman came cursing under his breath like in his usual mocking manner to apologize, while all Ishita was bothered was about a broken bracelet!
We were the only fools who were crying for their relationship which was on the verge of breaking!

Over night, everything is solved. Raman is back to taunt and he even accepts Mani-Ishu friendship while Ishita has transformed back to her sensible wife form! I can only get one meaning out of this sudden abrupt stop. They just dont want ISHRA relation to progress further. If they apologize and converse in a serious manner, then the relationship obviously has to progress further but they had to make it all seem like a child's play!

kuch high points dikaa denge, then back to square one. Like some candies to kids, we get to see some ISHRA scenes and nhok jhok. unn sab se hi humein khush rehna hai!

I confess that i liked the oil scene just because it was a sort of entertaining but then I had to force myself to forget all the things that happened in the prior episodes. It felt like CVs have conveniently let the matter rest and forgotten that anything of that sort happened.
Are human emotions and let out words so easily forgettable and forgivable? Perhaps thats what we can hope for in a daily show and in this slot!

High drama and then some twists, turns is all thats needed to keep the TRPs high!
Ab dimaag, memory sab kuch locker mein rakh ke episode dekhna padega shaayad...

Edited by vidya.anand - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: .ProperPatola.

Bang on post Aani!

Since the track started, I had no problem with it. Just because I had high hopes from the climax of this track, I used to watch it in the thought of what a beautiful outcome we will have when these two will realise their mistakes, realise what they feel about each other precisely and have a heart-to-heart convo. I usually never have any expectations. This time I did, and I was disappointed.

Hey Arsh, I am so with you on this - I dont expect much but this time I was couting the days to when things would explode and all I can say is it fizzled out and left me bamboozled

The last two episodes held no connection whatsoever or even a little reference to the extremes this MU reached that night after the award function. The next day we see, Ishu angry over the broken bracelet. Are you freakin serious? Does she not remember that Raman had said much much more serious things and threw ridiculous allegations at her character "izzat ki numaish nahi hoti" etc. and that women did no mention of it. Those were some big allegations which no woman would be able to forget especially when her actions were not intentional.

IKR? He hadnt merely thrown her gift, he had behaved with her in a way which prompted her to call him a jaanwar, made her say I dont wanna see your face and leave the room and burst into tears..he even washed their dirty linen in front of Mani and all she is bothered about is a bracelet? Are you freaking kidding us here? As a woman how could she just forget what transpired between them? As a man who holds such a high respect for women in his mind - when he can call out his mom time and again when she talks rubbish about Sarika or any other girl - how can he not have a moment where it hits him what he almost did.


Heck even Raman's flashbacks didn't involve what transpired between them last night. Not to forget those weird angles and sad song in the background which were just OTT. And How come just Simmi telling Raman about Ishita-Mani saving his positions solves all the insecurities he had of this relationship?


Hearing a sad song is all it takes to sort out your life right? And your dumb sister defending your wife explaining how she saved your post with a friend - when you think they are having an affair behind your backs - so affair vs post - post wins hands down 😳

I wished to see some hesitation, guilt from both Raman and Ishita when the track would hit the end and both clearing each other's minds and assuring to trust each other etc. I mean all sorts of intensity we get to read here in beautiful OS's by members. I guess its just left to our imaginations now, unless, this issue is brought back somehow and we see Ishra reflecting and opening up about it. Sigh.

I wanted them to have these moments where they cant get over what happened as well but apparently it was too much logic for the viewers to expect and demand


Sorry for writing so much, I have been controlling to not comment anywhere regarding this issue, but have read many threads...Couldn't hold back after reading yours.😳😆

No need to say sorry Arsh feel free to pour your heart out

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Posted: 10 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: --mancityfan--

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Well I am not defending this change

I am just saying possible reasons for it

To me whole track has been a disaster

And mani entry has spoiled everything

Now it does not matter


Mani can be blamed for a lot of things but not the last two episodes Vyas - that is purely on the writers
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Posted: 10 years ago
#35
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Will edit this post as I have so much to write 😳
Edited by CharmGal - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#36
I think the channel doesn't want the show to get too grim and dark. And like serendipity has pointed out, the writers do have some reservation about Ishita-Raman having a proper heart to heart talk. May be they'll come only after they have completely surrendered to each other.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: EkPaheli


@bold - when that happened I nearly had my jaw dropped - like HUH what Raman you are hugging him? A moment ago he said dont come in and made it a joke - I was fine - okay you dont want to create a scene when everyone is present but the hug was so unexpected I swear I dont think even KP or SS dont know why their characters hugged


SS nd KP old frdshp made thm to hug each othr...frm prev shws...🤣
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Posted: 10 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: s_kavya

Very well said dear... as a viewer I am and for sure many of YHM fans must be disappointed with the way this MU track ended or not ended frankly I am confused... from last two episodes CV's have taken U turn from what they showed for 2 or 3 weeks.. ishra who were having huge MU.. Raman who doubted ishita having affair with Mani.. ishita who witnessed Raman's strange And rude behavior... that night what happened between them.. Raman's words to ishita.. everything they forgot just like that.. simmi told Raman that ishita and mani saved his reputation and AHP.. just that. But what about Raman's MU regarding iLU Mani and ishita leaving him did it also cleared because I didn't saw that... did ishita understood what was Raman's problem about his insequertys and fear of loosing her.. from last two episodes what I am seeing is forced comedy.. nokjhok and touchy touchy ishra who behaving like nothing serious happened between them... what about those intense moments between them.. did they forgot everything.. I wanted some serious mature talk between ishra.. so I can be satisfied.. I am fan of ishra and I love there nokjhok.. there romance but it should not be forced or unnecessary... I am disappointed with CV's... I appreciate KP and DT for there hardwork and there Brilliant performances.. and the other supportive cast also doing good job... Will say again great post Dear..


Hi Kavya thanks for the comment.

@bold - that is everything in a nutshell
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Posted: 10 years ago
#39
Aani
Very pertinent post... After the buildup of last few weeks, the drastic change in the tone from 30th has been very anti-climactic to say the least... I poured all my rants 😆out after the telecast of the episode on 30th in this :https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/ye-hai-mohabbatein/4209478/my-dear-cvs and sort of made peace for the episode on 31st .
For me the biggest issues are i
  • the exchange in the bedroom : that had crossed all the lines of decency between a husband and wife... Both verbal and physical.. That was not a grey moment.. It was black through and through.. That needs to be addressed between a couple... Especially a couple in love. No woman needs to endure that under any circumstance ... Being inebriated doesn't give a husband leeway to do that and have no regret/communication after that. And a wife.. A self-reliant educated woman of this century can't judt overlook that... And they made the apology about the bracelet which was the least of RKB's mistakes.
  • White lies that devastate a person, makes him lose trust.. Cannot be so white anymore... even if it was done to protect him.. It needed to be addressed between a couple for them to have a Solid foundation. Without trust what is a relationship? Ishita needed to know that, especially considering how it shattered RKB. Same is about part of her conversation that RKB heard about her loving Mani and wanting to leave her family... All these led to Raman's extreme behaviour listed in the 1st bullet. This needed to be addressed too.
I have made peace that for Diwali, this has been buried for now.. Probably we're going to revisit this some other time...Ceatives of YHM owe it to their main character: Raman and Ishita. Because that track dealt with their biggest issue : insecurity. You cannot just brush that aside . Just like that.

Great post darling
Edited by GanBarunFan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: lovely_lady

THIS. Aani, I always love your posts. So insightful and so great to read. And this post of yours is the same, insightful and great to read.

Hi LL thanks I am sorry I dunno your name 😳

I feel so betrayed by the show. This last episode, although it had cute moments, it was such a W*F kind of episode. Like you said, how do you go from thinking your wife is having an affair, from humiliating her in public, to apologizing and having everything all hunky-dory again? Like no, it just does not make sense.


tell me about it when they started with the comedy two nights ago for a moment I was blank, the next I was pissed, later I was confused if I am having a weird dream here or are they and then I just let out an W*F myself how does a mess of that proportion get solved with not even a single scene where the leads TALKED?


For me, this entire track was to show the devastating effect Shagun's betrayal had on Raman; it COMPLETELY changed him as a person.

That it was but the aftermath of that track - what is it? Honestly I am clueless - are they indicating that Raman got over Shagun after a couple of drinks and a sad song he heard on a pathetic system which had its speakers busted 🤔 then why mourn for 6 years?


I'm firmly in the camp that thinks of Ishita's and Mani's friendship as alright. She did wrong by lying to him and changing Mani's contact name, but other than that, I think she's been within her bounds as a wife and friend. You discuss things with your friends, from happiness to sadness to disappointment. And Ishita does all that with Mani, that's why the topic often goes to Raman, because he features in all three emotions for her. He is the reason for her happiness, he makes her sad and he is the reason she gets disappointed. Raman is central to Ishita's life and therefore it makes sense that she discusses him with Mani. And tbh, she never involved him in the Romi affair initially. He found out himself and confronted her and then tried to help her to save HER Raman. Obviously she'd go along with Mani and let him in on the secret, because it concerns Raman's wellbeing. She would never, ever cheat on Raman. And Raman knows it. That's why he doubts the initial idea that she could cheat on him.


I am pro the friendship too, I dont see them having anything beyond that. yes the lies were wrong but the intent wasnt; the name change thing was a HUGE THING but it wasnt meant to rub salt on his wounds or to deceive him - all of which needed to be solved though. hearing the truth from Simi put him in a dilemma - fine. He was confused if she loves me or cares for me why is she lying and hiding things and if she is having an affair why is she doing all of this for me? What do I mean to her? I was fine with that too but the crap that followed with the nok-jhok is beyond my ability to even comprehend

However, Shagun's betrayal has left such raw wounds and such a deep effect on his psyche, that he could not let those thoughts go. The fact that he even entertained, nursed, and believed in the fact that Ishita could cheat on him, spoke volumes to me. Throughout the entire track, Raman compared her behaviour with Shagun's behaviour. He couldn't help but wonder is Ishita is cheating on him. Shagun and Ishita's behaviour was similar to a point, but very different for the most part. Ishita generally told him when she was with Mani (hence why he was so jealous). Whereas Shagun hid everything from Raman (hence why he was so blindsided). And also, I think another point to be noted, is that he never directly accused her of cheating of her/ even asked her to clarify his doubt. He was too scared to hear the answer, because of his fear of rejection (again due to Shagun). Shagun's betrayal completely altered Raman's self perception. He did outwardly change himself into the alpha male, but on the inside, he's still the insecure man afraid of rejection. Even though Ishita's conduct was different from Shagun's, he could only focus on the similarities. And he didn't have the guts to figure out the real situation/ hear from Ishita's mouth that she was cheating on him. He blames himself, that HE drove her to cheat on him. That's why he took the dramatic step of trying to get intimate with her the other night.

exactly he compared them - he thought history is repeating itself with me and hence got OOC on the stage and in the room. He didnt ask her about the ILU scared of what he might hear from her - should she confirm the worst and his heart break all over again so where is that Raman? 🤔 His insecurity, jealousy all went out with a poof because he learned his post was saved and that wifey now wants laddoos instead of kalakand 🤪 @bold - that just happened in our dreams as of now.

Its important to note, that during his marriage to Shagun, Raman was pretty secure as a person. Yes he was geeky, but he didn't necessarily compare himself to men, like he does know. He thought Ashok was cool (when Ashok was his boss initially) and that was it. He didn't hesitate to introduce Shagun to him or anyone else because he was secure in his marriage. He felt no reason to even doubt her or even entertain the fact that she could leave him for someone better. Compare this to the current Raman. He's always sizing up so called opponents (remember his first meeting with Mani at the school?). And he does entertain doubts that maybe he drove Ishita to cheat on him. He's riddled with insecurity and fear of rejection, as the affect of Shagun's betrayal.

I wanted this track to show this. To show Ishita and us viewers the effect Shagun's betrayal had on him. To show Ishita that she needs to find out the entire story of what went down between him and Shagun in order to understand Raman better. To show Raman that not all women are like Shagun. Although he's claimed that Ishita is better than Shagun, he has compared them often. He needs to stop doing that and realize that women are different. There's not necessarily a set standard to which you can compare them. Raman needs to realize that Ishita cannot be compared to Shagun for that matter.


exactly this track was supposed to break the ice, make them cross that hurdle which makes them hesitant to speak up when it comes to their feelings - instead it just went away like nothing happened. He heard a song and got over things; she what did she do I dont even know 😕

But most of all, I wanted this track to show COMMUNICATION between them. Raman and Ishita are severely lacking when it comes to communication. They need to have a discussion on this.

Idk, sorry for the long and rambly post, but had to get my thoughts out LOL.

No need to say sorry hon, and exactly communication - the thing which even Mihir said was vital among them - which we thought was finally coming up didnt even make an appearance 🤬

I'm desperately hoping that the CVs aren't done with this track. Raman and Ishita have the habit of sweeping things under the table. They don't like to deal with serious issues that make them question each other and their relationship. They prefer to stick to what they know, hence the fighting. I'm hoping that the CVs show this. Show that this humour fighting is a way of pretending that they don't have issues they need to address. That the fighting is their way of ignoring that their relationship has evolved to being more than "sirf Ruhi ke liye."


@bold - I would be fine with that as well but show us something concrete what got into them to take this steep U turn


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