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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli


Hey Doc hope you had a pleasant sleep cos your post just made my day πŸ˜ƒ Sure someday we would get to discussing books absolutely. I would be enriched 😳 Stop it Gurl! Like G you are making me blush.

@red - last night I was too overwhelmed the first time when I saw the whole thing, the second I was taking things in on the LU where most of us gather to take pieces apart but after a night' sleep I realized I am having a weird deja vu with this one and reading your post BAM - that scene hit me.

posting it for ya OMG what an intense scene, I wanna slap puttar at the same time take him in an embrace! And now yesterday's episode made so much sense!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7wG0JigKEk[/YOUTUBE]

@blue - yep the past makes him learn to not repeat the same mistakes but in order to avoid repeating himself the man makes new one - human error - like you said he is judging the book by its cover. He is letting his vision cloud his judgement - he is assuming what I see is the truth and nothing else could be and is too scared cos of his past to actually muster the courage and speak up about it. His insecurity because of his past scarrs him and has made him so jaded...and ironically that insecurity is the very thing he hides. I would like to recall the recent hospital scene and another scene of Ishita Ruhi...recently Ruhi got Ishita to eat when she laid herself bare - said she is scared of losing her Ishima, what did the woman do - she embraced her child and did the needed that would pacify her - she ate. Similarly when Ruhi took a stand for Ishita and stated her papa did wrong, her papa doesnt love her and it scares her that her Ishimaa may leave her Ishita immediately soothed her and said you are enough for me, your love is more than enough for me the night Raman made Ishita say sorry to Adi...all Raman has to do is follow the path his daughter has shown to him time and again - to bare fears and trust the one you are baring them in front of to accept them and protect you rather than mask them as your strength, as he did last night. He tried to overpower her in a way, intimidate her because he is scared...he had to only show his fears not scare her to really get her to embrace him.
Can we please please get Ruhi back, I think she is the guiding light for Ishita and Raman, her pious heart can show her parents where they have erred. Thanks for brilliantly tying all of this together! 😊

Cant help but recall a lovely quote by a book I fell in love with here; since last night he adopted monstrosity to hide his vulnerability scared it would be laughed at

"Oh, monsters are scared," said Lettie. "That's why they're monsters."
Neil Gaiman, The Ocean at the End of the Lane

Girlfriend I love you for this quote, it describes puttar to the T!


When he would accept this and bare himself to her would he realize how futile was it to hide, rather how mistaken he was to have done it in the first place...he is masking himself in the fear she would run away lest she see who he really is, unable to understand she sees him already and has loved him for the man he is - flaws and all, she just wants him to come to her and reveal himself of his own free will and not run scared. He may have fooled the world but not her; only in assuming that he has fooled her too, he is fooling himself. 😳

We often get so scared to see our inner selves that we hide our vulnerability from our own selves, Raman and Ishita need to see through their souls first to appreciate their vulnerability and then be comfortable enough with each other to share it amongst themselves. Till you don't see your 'naked' self in the mirror you can't truly love yourself, and if you don't truly love yourself then there is no way you can love anyone else.

"I tore off my mask so as not to lose one of her tears... and she did not run away!...and she did not die!... She remained alive, weeping over me, weeping with me. We cried together! I have tasted all the happiness the world can offer."
Gaston Leroux, The Phantom of the Opera

πŸ€— I love The Phantom of the Opera! If you get a chance you need to watch it on broadway in NYC, it is breathtaking.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: loveyhmnew

If I will write something here, it surely won't justify this brilliant piece of work.

Let me be the mute spectator.


Thank you but please do not hesitate to share your thoughts, would love to read your perspective.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Autumn.

Mind blowing post EWS


Thank you Autumn!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: banana.ishra

EWS - SUPERB...BEAUTIFULLY WRITTEN...KEEP WRITING...


AANI...MY DARLING...BRILLIANT...

KRI, LET-IT-GO, SWATHI, OHGOD - LOVELY POST...


THIS THREAD IS BECOMING VERY INTERESTING ...

THANKS TO ALL...


Thank you very much! I agree all the responses have been very enriching to read.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Beautiful Beautiful Post!!! πŸ‘πŸ‘

"The truth is, everyone is going to hurt you. You just got to find the ones worth suffering for."

This reminded me of another quote, "It's not about finding someone who you can live with, but rather finding that one person, who you can't live without".
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Posted: 10 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: -Hima-

I was unable to sleep last night.. due to the episode of course.. it was quite disturbing.. when I started browsing IF to find some news about the show.. and I caught your post.πŸ˜›

As I read through it, I was taken over by the calmness and serenity of your words. The story of Plato and Socrates made me think about what I perceived as love and marriage..very philosophical and thought-provoking!

The connections you have made with the show and the stories.. hats off to you Doc!πŸ‘ A smile crept over my lips as I closed my tab and my eyes.. I was asleep in a second. Like I said, your post brought the calmness into my mind which was extremely restless. Sorry I couldn't comment then.. but you have magic in the way you present a post Doc and thank youπŸ€—


Thank you very much for all this undeserving praise but I humbly accept. If my post made you calm then writing this became all the more fun and fulfilling. It was a disturbing episode and a one that made me question a few of my beliefs, and like yourself I had to take a break from this and clear my mind.
Thanks for the comment once again 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Eyes-Wide-Shut


That quote by Bob Marley is one of the greatest life lessons and I love it to the core as well! Life has come a full circle for Ishita and Raman, Ishita wouldn't be hurt before as she is hurt now because now there are feelings involved. Raman my man boy is dealing with his own demons, only if these two idiots talked! I am gonna lock them in a room till they talk it out.


They are both reacting based on their assumptions. To Raman, the woman who never lied was now hiding things and lying to him and that triggered his suspicious. He was reacting to the present based on his past experience that turned his world upside down. Raman suffers from Pistanthrophobia... the fear of trusting people due to past experiences with relationships gone bad.

Ishita is on the other hand, discounted what was right before her..., Raman's mood swings, hurtful comments and Toshiji's insight about the tears on Raman's pillow. She too drew conclusions based on her assumptions about Raman's recent mood swings, that it was all about Romi/Sarika. She had doubted Raman based on Sanjana, the stranger's words yet now she expects Raman to trust her implicitly. It is not weakness but strength to be vulnerable in a relationship and expose one's inner world to the other.

They are both playing a waiting game, waiting for the other to be the first to expose their vulnerability, open up and share their feelings. They are also so immersed in their own emotions that they fail to see what the other is going through. They need to take their blinders off and get past their own world and open their eyes to what's right before them. A relationship without trust is like a car without gasoline. You can sit in it all you want but it isn't going anywhere.

Iinsecurity, trust issues, jealousy, lack of communication and assumptions cause problems in a relaitonship.. And at the moment they are both struggling to deal with these poisons to their relationship.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Doc I knew you would get things clearly, in Ruby' words - connect the dots if you see that scene I posted. I swear I wanted to slap him too then but only when I got calmer did I pity him.


Also I know am missing Ruhi too lets see when she is back as of now Ruhanika is on a break.

Since you loved the quote about monsters I urge you pick this one up really Gaiman is a wiz - its a short book and you would cherish it forever I promise you that 😳

And I so agree unless you cant love yourself how can you expect/gain love from others?


And as for watching Phantom at NYC on Broadway - if destiny permits would surely love to do that 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nisha0604

You claim to be a Doc?

I only see a poet...πŸ˜³πŸ‘

Seriously, you are gifted... I have never been able to look at marriages however lyrically you have described it. Ghar ki murgi daal barabar I guess, I LIVE in a marriage... I dont "see" what a beautiful relationship it can be.


Your analogies are perfect, your descriptions heartfelt... for your sake, I hope the CVs quit butchering the core Raman and Ishita characteristics and return them to us however the originally crafted them


You have a great gift... if ever you want to branch into family counselling, you are well placedπŸ‘
You speak like this to a troubled couple? There is no way they are gonna wanna split.πŸ˜ƒ I dont know where you live, but in the country where I live the divorce rates border on 70%..., you are worth your weight in GOLD


Nisha you are being way too kind with your words! I am far from a poet but I am glad you liked the post 😊

Wow 70%? That's a very high number and a scary one at that especially for people like myself who are embarking on this journey. In US the rate I believe is 50% but I may be wrong.

Thanks once again for your wonderful comment!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#90

Originally posted by: daydreamers

Doc take a bow...

Awesome post...πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘


Thank you DD!

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