YHM -Daily Episode Discussions and Live Updates Thread #26 - Page 119

Originally posted by: Aeryn

Ruby

I, a self admitted average viewer, watch a show not trying to think in terms of tracks. I watch a show expecting to see characters and overall story make sense and be in par with what was previously shown. Not only the destination but the journey to reach there matters. At present the character Ishita isn't making sense to me. If writers manage to turn it and make it reasonable, give a coherent, believable justification for her recents actions then I will eat an humble pie. As of now I have explained in my previous post my view on the show so far and I sadly don't see coherency. Of course what makes sense or is logical, believable depends on one's own perception so I am talking about myself.

There no point in story if the transition between one stage to the other is puzzling.

About insecurity - I have said that Ishita feels less of a woman because she can't conceive. To me it does not necessarily means that she thinks a man cannot love her because of it. Point to be noticed she tried to enter matrimony providing that the man accept her truth. She felt no hesitation with Prateek and was ready to give a try then. Nothing indicated that she would have not work on her marriage in that case. That was my point.

I don't understand what he should do more to be deemed as someone over his past over Shagun. Does he think of her 24/7? Does his everyday actions have the Shagun stamp on it? We viewers and Ishita have seen the progress he has made regarding that. There will always be strong emotion involved vis a vis of Shagun simply coz they story is such that it would be impossible to be completely indifferent.

Now if your point was that because of his past with Shagun, he is reluctant of putting himself out there clearly in matters of love then at least he is trying and he doesn't get any assurance from Ishita. Ishita in other hand is doing nothing which is my bone of contention

Originally posted by: Aeryn

Execution, natural flow is lacking nowadays. Tonight for example making Ishita believe a random girl is a very wrong move by CVs. Where is all the progress made in the perception of each other if Ishita can so easily believe that Raman is someone who can manipulate, be so callous and selfish in relationship to purposefully create a rift in a brother and sister relation?! Forget the love angle, even as a mere friend at this stage of their relation, showing Ishita trusting that sob story is not understandable. When I watch a show I expect to understand the character's actions and see a natural progression/flow along the way. Lately (more precisely since the param track) I can't understand/recognize the Ishita character. As if she has suddenly been transformed to fit the mould of typical SP bahu.

Ishita's biggest insecurity to me has always been being less of a woman because of her infertility. Yes she was hurt by Subbu but more than the rejection I feel it was not being able to bear her own child, the problem. Ishita has been giving a chance to matrimony since beginning of show. Even though she was pushed by her mother, she tried with honesty, her only condition being that the man should know of her problem and accept it. This was what happened with Prateek, he agreed for marriage knowing her truth and Ishita accepted without hesitation. Where was her insecurity then? A woman who thinks that she can't be loved because she can't be a mother wouldn't even want to marry in first place imo.

After that what happened? Ruhi came and filled a void in her life. Ishita loves that little girl like her own and Ruhi has given her the place of mother going as far as saying she wished she was born to her. While the pain of not being able to bear her own biological child will always be there, her thirst for motherhood was quenched to a great extent.

Has Raman ever made her feel he had a problem with her infertility? Has he ever made her feel she is less of a woman for this? My answer is NO. In fact he goes ahead and tell her there's no better mother, you are a mother, the mother of my two children. I want my Ruhi to be like you.

So my interpretation of story was that the main problem of Ishra relation was the erroneous perception that each had of the other and of course the barrier of "sirf Ruhi ki liye". Each other's past has been open for the other to see.

At this stage I feel the question should not be "Is he still in love with Shagun?" This has been discussed to death and I still maintain that the answer that he does not is glaringly obvious to see by all including Ishita. All in his actions, body language and words indicate that there is no love in him for that woman who has wrecked his life. She is only the biological mother of his children (unfortunately according to him).

To me this was even answered at the end of accident track. In that track Ishita's doubt over the possibility of him still loving his ex was brought to the fore. At the end of it she was shown being maha relieved that her reading of him was not wrong. She was assured that he didn't lie and the matter was not Shagun but Aditya, his son. He was being a father and not an ex lover.

She expected him to come clean to her and her expectation was met. He came and made her the mother of his two children and asked her to complete him, be his strength. That day he handed himself and his two precious possession to her. She understood, she was clearly bowled over. It was a superb scene.

It was after that Raman started to make the barrier of Sirf Ruhi ki liye fall, giving signs that he wants a real marriage between the two.

The question at this stage should be "Are we on the same page? Do we wish for the same thing".

While an hesitancy to be the one to open up first is understandable and even expected, her utter passiveness is incomprehensible to me. Here is a woman who is drawn to a man, we can even say is in love with him, who is already tied for life to him, is being very nonchalant about their marriage.

Since the param back in house track, it's was more prominently shown as if she is indifferent to the state of their marriage and suddenly oblivious of all the progress made!!

On one side she is shown understanding him and his nature, acknowledging his care, his consideration, his desire for her and other side where it seems she is back to square one. I personally feel there is no flow in her feelings.

At this stage I expect and would find it logical for her to recognize that there is something between the two of them and take a leap of faith and start to work on her marriage. I don't mind if she is shown hesitant doing so but I want to see at least some attempts from her end. It is highly unrealistic for someone in a marriage for this long, baggage or not, to be so unresponsive to it, not mindful of its future.

If we have to agree that Ishita has not noticed/acknowledged the changes in Raman and their relation up till now then I fully agree with Zene and Loveforlife (Raveena?) that it doesn't make sense and kind of nullified what they have gone through, the progress made...what would be the purpose of all these tribulations and advances made in terms of Ishra relationship?!

This is my pov ofc. We can agree to disagree 🤗

Originally posted by: sophee

Hi guys 😃 Discussion is still on? 😆

Koi nahin yaar we will not get down to any conclusion regarding a character's behaviour, irrespective of his/her development chart. In the accident track, Raman was made the scape goat who lacked sensitivity and failed to trust Ishita. Now it's Ishita's turn who's been shown to be insensitive and also a poor judge of character. She believes a total stranger, disregarding her own assessment of Raman over the last few months. Plus she also displays a complete lack of sensitivity in respecting Mihir's wishes. Rather than trying to understand the reason of Mihir's animosity, especially considering his attachment and respect of relationships, she is hellbent on uniting two estranged siblings in a social and public gathering 😕 The secret of Shagun being the sister was not for Raman or the Bhallas to share, it was Mihir's. And despite being repeatedly asked by Raman, Mihir stays adamant in keeping that part of his life a secret. Plus the Iyers also respect his wishes and give their blessings for the wedding accepting that Mihir does not want to share this part of their life with them. But Ishita continues to think otherwise and continues with her meddling and that too only on her presumptions.

And suddenly Shagun's character chart shows a drastic improvement! A woman who has been fooled for years by Ashok and has till now been shown a bimbo, who at best can work as Ashok's puppet, has suddenly become a master planner who orchestrated all this 😃 So inconsistent behaviour is something we should expect in a daily soap and get used to! Enjoy the good moments that we get to see and take the rest with a pinch of salt!

Originally posted by: Aeryn

Ruby

I, a self admitted average viewer, watch a show not trying to think in terms of tracks. I watch a show expecting to see characters and overall story make sense and be in par with what was previously shown. Not only the destination but the journey to reach there matters. At present the character Ishita isn't making sense to me. If writers manage to turn it and make it reasonable, give a coherent, believable justification for her recents actions then I will eat an humble pie. As of now I have explained in my previous post my view on the show so far and I sadly don't see coherency. Of course what makes sense or is logical, believable depends on one's own perception so I am talking about myself.

There no point in story if the transition between one stage to the other is puzzling.

About insecurity - I have said that Ishita feels less of a woman because she can't conceive. To me it does not necessarily means that she thinks a man cannot love her because of it. Point to be noticed she tried to enter matrimony providing that the man accept her truth. She felt no hesitation with Prateek and was ready to give a try then. Nothing indicated that she would have not work on her marriage in that case. That was my point.

I don't understand what he should do more to be deemed as someone over his past over Shagun. Does he think of her 24/7? Does his everyday actions have the Shagun stamp on it? We viewers and Ishita have seen the progress he has made regarding that. There will always be strong emotion involved vis a vis of Shagun simply coz they story is such that it would be impossible to be completely indifferent.

Now if your point was that because of his past with Shagun, he is reluctant of putting himself out there clearly in matters of love then at least he is trying and he doesn't get any assurance from Ishita. Ishita in other hand is doing nothing which is my bone of contention

Originally posted by: Aeryn

Well Ruby Agree to disagree 🤗😉

Perso I don't see how a track can make sense when the characters involved in it and their actions doesn't...