YHM -Daily Episode Discussions and Live Updates Thread #26 - Page 116

Originally posted by: -IshRaDivAn-

I am sorry to disagree, but the same thing can be said about Raman..
He has always been aggressive and impulsive in his words and behavior with her.
Things may have changed now but there are several instances where she has faced the brunt of his anger..
Firstly, when Ruhi was ill, she was called a kidnapper for just helping his daughter. Her family was thrown in jail followed by her engagement being called off. She was never given a chance to explain herself, was she.? Secondly, yet again when she tried helping his sister, she was almost thrown out of the house by him. If I remember correctly, even he chose to not listen to her side of the story. He was ready to throw her out of the house, he would have as well done that had Param not shown himself. He has uttered some of the most brutal and insulting things to her.. he has changed now..even she has...
If she was the one to call Raman, the child abuser, she was the same person to bridge in the gap between Ruhi and Raman, She was the same one to prove him as a good father to the world.
Coming to the accident track, was there anything that she was to hear.? The one who was supposed to say something never did. Didn't she stand by him once learning the truth.? That's where the point kicks in, unless she knows the truth, how will she trust him and stand by him.? Same goes for her as well...

Coming to her believing the woman she hardly knows, yes she was wrong in trusting some random girl. But she was never told the truth about anything, though that won't justify her foolish act of believing a random person.!

The commitment lacks from both sides, unless they share everything with each other, the trust factor will always remain weak in their relationship. I am not supporting her, but my point precisely is, there are few things in their relation that need to be fulfilled from both sides.. Ishita solely is not responsible.!

A man who has seen adultery of his wife with his boss, who has seen his wife poisoning his son against him how in the world he would not be forced to think any one can't be kidnapper without knowing her when he suddenly see them together ?
and yes still it was when he din know her. Did he do same after marriage?Did he ever try to keep his daughter away from this woman who he called kidnapper?
When did ishu try to clarify about simi param? simi had asked promise from her to reveal ?
Of course if he finds that she is lying to them and meeting other people midnight he will doubt her and question her. it was in front. he never tried to do spying for this !!

She trusted him only when she saw him as a father in accident track. she never trusted him as a man or husband .

Even he was not informed about subbu clearly before still he had defended her in front of subbus mom . uska bass chalta toh he would have believed subbus mom about her character when she was drunk .

Originally posted by: MERARAI

Hi redwine😊

If you take each of their total experiences, Ishita lacks the emotional maturity to commit to this marriage fully. Raman went through hell in more ways than one...wife's betrayal, separation from Adi whom he adored, left with a newborn to raise on his own. He took the blinders off and learned from it.

Raman has dealt with a lot of his baggage before Ishita came into his life. Ishita hasn't and lack of trust is a big issue with her...or else why would she trust someone else's word over Raman's. Raman has been patient and shown signs he wants the marriage to be more than what they agreed to before the wedding. He knows who he is and what he wants, Ishita is playing the avoidance game she is not fully recovered from the hurt of past. Ishita has a lot to trash to meet Raman halfway in their marriage.

spot on mera
She is becoming selective to think what she wants to think. she has never thought to analyze him and his actions completely and she has not learned from her mistakes in past.

Originally posted by: sophee

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. Its our POVs and I respect yours 😊

My post was on the fact that Raman has been shown to have progressed and actually made a better assessment of Ishita's character. He now does not jump to conclusions, while Ishita still tends to believes what she thinks is right. The three examples cited were only meant to highlight Ishita's penchant for assuming the worst about Raman without giving him a chance or hearing his side. Their relationship has come a long way from the days of Ishita being labelled a kidnapper or Raman being ridiculed publicly for being a lousy parent and losing his daughter in that process. So for Ishita to believe a random stranger at this stage of their relationship without confirming it with Raman was what I found difficult to accept. And hence the post 😊

Yes, that is something even I couldn't accept that she chose to believe a random girl in a matter so serious. Nothing will justify it.. I expected her to act more maturely than believing her after spotting the girl with Param twice..

Originally posted by: -IshRaDivAn-

Yes, that is something even I couldn't accept that she chose to believe a random girl in a matter so serious. Nothing will justify it.. I expected her to act more maturely than believing her after spotting the girl with Param twice..

Originally posted by: Colt.Pixy

A man who has seen adultery of his wife with his boss, who has seen his wife poisoning his son against him how in the world he would not be forced to think any one can't be kidnapper without knowing her when he suddenly see them together ?
and yes still it was when he din know her. Did he do same after marriage?Did he ever try to keep his daughter away from this woman who he called kidnapper?
When did ishu try to clarify about simi param? simi had asked promise from her to reveal ?
Of course if he finds that she is lying to them and meeting other people midnight he will doubt her and question her. it was in front. he never tried to do spying for this !!

She trusted him only when she saw him as a father in accident track. she never trusted him as a man or husband .

Even he was not informed about subbu clearly before still he had defended her in front of subbus mom . uska bass chalta toh he would have believed subbus mom about her character when she was drunk .

Well, anyone deserves a chance to be explained. I agree he didn't know her that well, but he knew her enough to atleast give her a chance to explain herself instead of insulting their family in public. I never said he did something after marriage, but yes he has been shown to be being harsh with her so many times. Though he has had a brutal past, accepted but even she has had a bad past, so his past is not a justification for his behavior. If he has lost something in his past, even she did. She has only faced rejection at every point of time, from the man she loved for 12 years to the society.
Coming to Simi and Param fiasco, yes she never clarified. But still that's not the way one is to behave with a woman, specially a woman who is his kid's mother if not his wife. There are other instances where he doesn't care to explain himself and no one should question him either, so he should also respect's other people opinions. When he was asked a clarification about Shagun, he walked away saying he doesn't need to clarify anything to anyone. So why threaten to throw her out of the house for the same.?

Yet again, I will ask one thing, did he give her a reason to trust him.? He was lying to her throughout, he was walked past her carrying his ex in his arms. Did she have any reason to trust him.? She has always been supportive of anything that comes to Shagun and Adi.. so there is no question of her not trusting him..

If we are counting their mistakes, well I think we have a lot to discuss..😆

My sole point is, he has screwed up enough in the past too. Even she has..in some or the other way...so neither of them are perfect. And both need to work on their relation in someway, its not a one man's call.!

Originally posted by: redwine1

Originally posted by: redwine1

Originally posted by: -IshRaDivAn-

Well, anyone deserves a chance to be explained. I agree he didn't know her that well, but he knew her enough to atleast give her a chance to explain herself instead of insulting their family in public. I never said he did something after marriage, but yes he has been shown to be being harsh with her so many times. Though he has had a brutal past, accepted but even she has had a bad past, so his past is not a justification for his behavior. If he has lost something in his past, even she did. She has only faced rejection at every point of time, from the man she loved for 12 years to the society.
Coming to Simi and Param fiasco, yes she never clarified. But still that's not the way one is to behave with a woman, specially a woman who is his kid's mother if not his wife. There are other instances where he doesn't care to explain himself and no one should question him either, so he should also respect's other people opinions. When he was asked a clarification about Shagun, he walked away saying he doesn't need to clarify anything to anyone. So why threaten to throw her out of the house for the same.?

Yet again, I will ask one thing, did he give her a reason to trust him.? He was lying to her throughout, he was walked past her carrying his ex in his arms. Did she have any reason to trust him.? She has always been supportive of anything that comes to Shagun and Adi.. so there is no question of her not trusting him..

If we are counting their mistakes, well I think we have a lot to discuss..😆

My sole point is, he has screwed up enough in the past too. Even she has..in some or the other way...so neither of them are perfect. And both need to work on their relation in someway, its not a one man's call.!

lol so even she had made judgement about him that he puts money over his kid and is not good father just listening half convo. why only he should be blamed ? and when he got the facts, he did redeem by making them free and he calmly let her speak and defame him in front of media for he did with her parents.

its nature of their reaction to their experience to they have faced. wow, how come anyone man could trust any woman after seeing adultery with his boss? how come he would easily trust any woman ? he showed even distrust to mihika too.

how would he will get ready to respect unknown woman if he has seen his wife making his own blood to hate him? can it be worst than facing hate from own blood without his own fault ?

he has got rejection from his woman but he has faced insult by his boss and society for failure of marriage in his business world . parties were enough to imply that where everyone was cheering ashok putting ring on her finger in front of whole business society . despite of getting best CEO award he got huge insult there. enough to show his insult every where in society he lives in

ishita has not have to face same past again and again like him. he has to face hate of his kids .

of course he behaved rudely with her for hiding about param but same man had proved her ,he misbehaved with her but same man had defended her from outsiders always. he proved innocent too in front of all and he was quite assure she is innocent without any proof !!

LOL he walked way only from family !!! He himself asked ishita to ask about shagun in room when they both were alone. It was ishita who never claimed or asked clearly about his relations with shagun. He provoked her to taunt him and scold him. where did he run ? and he was wrong I agree to hide it but he has always been shown regretting for that. and he went to her himself when he realized that it s now going OTT.

i have never found ishita regretting be it in perv track, be it for shagun or be it for meddling. her sorry has not appealed me either.

they have come long way now, right now he does not deserve this behavior from ishita. fact.

Originally posted by: sophee

Suffering cannot and should not be compared. Pain and loss are not quantifiable and hence it is not possible (and also not fair) to pitch one's suffering against another. Pain and loss need to be dealt with so that they become memories, albeit bad ones but do not linger on to affect our present.

Both need to work at this relationship and that needs some serious communication between the two. And I honestly do not think Ishita has any doubts about Raman's attachment to Shagun. During the picnic track, in her conversation with Mrs Bhalla, Ishita acknowledges that Raman will suffer if he does not go...not for his attachment to Shagun but because Ishita understands how manipulative Shagun is. So I don't think Ishita harbours any insecurity regarding Raman and Shagun. And its not the baggages of the past that is the problem here yaar. Yahan tu simple friendship ke rules follow nahin ho rahe! Both consider each other friends at least but even there Ishita failed to trust her friend or to give him a chance to explain. So here Ishita loses her marks and Raman gains a point 😊

one thing I don't understand what he needs to share about shagun anymore 😆 she knows she has acknowledged how much shagun has hurt him and still she prefers to scrap his wounds, and he has said she is nothing more than his kids mother.

why he should talk about shagun regarding moving on? she was past let her be past. his kids are present that s why he always mentions that she is past .

he had said about adi is his weakness that is not new to ishita 😆 pretty clear it was when he made her apologize to him. he put "strength" in front. that s it. live in present. why should think about past 😆 kids will always come to their talk even after years. 😆 that s how parenthood in India is showed 😳

i saw ishita in love with raman, crying for him in accident track. i am seeing ishita rejecting,insulting and running from raman now just like when they got married. where is progress in ishita s thoughts anymore about raman ?