YHM -Daily Episode Discussions and Live Updates Thread #26 - Page 117

Originally posted by: Colt.Pixy

one thing I don't understand what he needs to share about shagun anymore 😆 she knows she has acknowledged how much shagun has hurt him and still she prefers to scrap his wounds, and he has said she is nothing more than his kids mother.

why he should talk about shagun regarding moving on? she was past let her be past. his kids are present that s why he always mentions that she is past .

he had said about adi is his weakness that is not new to ishita 😆 pretty clear it was when he made her apologize to him. he put "strength" in front. that s it. live in present. why should think about past 😆 kids will always come to their talk even after years. 😆 that s how parenthood in India is showed 😳

i saw ishita in love with raman, crying for him in accident track. i am seeing ishita rejecting and running from raman now just like when they got married. where is progress in ishita s thoughts anymore ?

Originally posted by: Colt.Pixy

lol so even she had made judgement about him that he puts money over his kid and is not good father just listening half convo. why only he should be blamed ? and when he got the facts, he did redeem by making them free and he calmly let her speak and defame him in front of media for he did with her parents.

its nature of their reaction to their experience to they have faced. wow, how come anyone man could trust any woman after seeing adultery with his boss? how come he would easily trust any woman ? he showed even distrust to mihika too.

how would he will get ready to respect unknown woman if he has seen his wife making his own blood to hate him? can it be worst than facing hate from own blood without his own fault ?

he has got rejection from his woman but he has faced insult by his boss and society for failure of marriage in his business world . parties were enough to imply that where everyone was cheering ashok putting ring on her finger in front of whole business society . despite of getting best CEO award he got huge insult there. enough to show his insult every where in society he lives in

ishita has not have to face same past again and again like him. he has to face hate of his kids .

of course he behaved rudely with her for hiding about param but same man had proved her ,he misbehaved with her but same man had defended her from outsiders always. he proved innocent too in front of all and he was quite assure she is innocent without any proof !!

LOL he walked way only from family !!! He himself asked ishita to ask about shagun in room when they both were alone. It was ishita who never claimed or asked clearly about his relations with shagun. He provoked her to taunt him and scold him. where did he run ? and he was wrong I agree to hide it but he has always been shown regretting for that. and he went to her himself when he realized that it s now going OTT.

i have never found ishita regretting be it in perv track, be it for shagun or be it for meddling. her sorry has not appealed me either.

they have come long way now, right now he does not deserve this behavior from ishita. fact.

I'm sorry if you want to glorify him for everything he has done in the past, then I have nothing more to say, I can see that's what a few posts here are about. Atleast that's what I could gather.
I can't be blind to one's mistakes, I didn't deny that she was wrong in the past as well. So why only blame her.?? I have already stated in my post that both have made mistakes in the past but have come a long way after that.
Coming to your justification about his past being the cause.. He is not the only man with a grey past, so to put down everyone that comes his way is not the solution in my opinion. But he has come out of it now which is the good part...
My only answer to the point in bold is, she always has to live with the fact that she cannot be a mother. That pain I think overcomes all the pains that her past has left with her.
As for him defending her, well yes he has always stood up for her and even she has stood by him in the times when he was in trouble. As for Ishita never claiming or demanding an explanation about his and shagun's relation, I dont even think they were at a point they could. Firstly because she trusted him atleast that much and secondly, they never looked up to the marriage outside their " ruhi ke liye " rant.. They have just entered that phase in their marriage where both actually are possessive for the other. Their relation has a still lots to look forward to...
He went to her..good for him but when, she already knew the truth by then. Just when he felt that it all beyond his control, he decided to tell her. Well, there was no proper redemption track or guilt track for him either. I expected a better redemption track after such a long track..

As for Ishita bringing back param and shagun to bhalla house.,, well I never have and won't support her for it either. As for her apology, well that's a problem I have with the cv's, they have never given us proper redemption tracks. Everything is back to normal in just one episode.

Coming to this track, well like I said.. I don't accept the fact that she blindly trusted a woman she barely knows over a husband to whom she has been married for over six months now. Besides that, the one thing I don't like is, she is never told anything by anyone and then she is screamed at for being nosy. I don't blame her for the fiasco, except for the way she handled everything,..it was immature to make it a public spectacle and also for trusting a stranger over her husband.

But yet again, I will stick to what I said before.. both of them have flaws in their own way and both of them need to take steps towards their marriage.

Execution, natural flow is lacking nowadays. Tonight for example making Ishita believe a random girl is a very wrong move by CVs. Where is all the progress made in the perception of each other if Ishita can so easily believe that Raman is someone who can manipulate, be so callous and selfish in relationship to purposefully create a rift in a brother and sister relation?! Forget the love angle, even as a mere friend at this stage of their relation, showing Ishita trusting that sob story is not understandable. When I watch a show I expect to understand the character's actions and see a natural progression/flow along the way. Lately (more precisely since the param track) I can't understand/recognize the Ishita character. As if she has suddenly been transformed to fit the mould of typical SP bahu.

As shown in the last few episodes, Ishita is not the brightest crayon in the box. raman needs to clearly spell it out to her that he is over shagun. I'm hoping the recent events will finally give her a much needed reality check and she will stop interfering in other people's business. being good does not mean getting oneself into trouble.

Originally posted by: pomegranate

As shown in the last few episodes, Ishita is not the brightest crayon in the box. raman needs to clearly spell it out to her that he is over shagun. I'm hoping the recent events will finally give her a much needed reality check and she will stop interfering in other people's business. being good does not mean getting oneself into trouble.

Originally posted by: Aeryn

It was not always like this, there is a definite change between before and after accident track. She has been transformed into a typical SP bahu. There's no flow in her reactions IMO.

If Raman needs to tell it clearly to get her interested in her marriage at this stage then it is very disappointing. There goes my wish of finally seeing leads working in tandem in their relationship

It's always one or the other doing all the work and the wooing, it appears incredibly one sided. I simply hate and I am seriously tired of this trend 🤢

YHM seemed different with two mature people but alas it has gone down the drains *sigh*

Originally posted by: -IshRaDivAn-

I'm sorry if you want to glorify him for everything he has done in the past, then I have nothing more to say, I can see that's what a few posts here are about. Atleast that's what I could gather.
I can't be blind to one's mistakes, I didn't deny that she was wrong in the past as well. So why only blame her.?? I have already stated in my post that both have made mistakes in the past but have come a long way after that.
Coming to your justification about his past being the cause.. He is not the only man with a grey past, so to put down everyone that comes his way is not the solution in my opinion. But he has come out of it now which is the good part...
My only answer to the point in bold is, she always has to live with the fact that she cannot be a mother. That pain I think overcomes all the pains that her past has left with her.
As for him defending her, well yes he has always stood up for her and even she has stood by him in the times when he was in trouble. As for Ishita never claiming or demanding an explanation about his and shagun's relation, I dont even think they were at a point they could. Firstly because she trusted him atleast that much and secondly, they never looked up to the marriage outside their " ruhi ke liye " rant.. They have just entered that phase in their marriage where both actually are possessive for the other. Their relation has a still lots to look forward to...
He went to her..good for him but when, she already knew the truth by then. Just when he felt that it all beyond his control, he decided to tell her. Well, there was no proper redemption track or guilt track for him either. I expected a better redemption track after such a long track..

As for Ishita bringing back param and shagun to bhalla house.,, well I never have and won't support her for it either. As for her apology, well that's a problem I have with the cv's, they have never given us proper redemption tracks. Everything is back to normal in just one episode.

Coming to this track, well like I said.. I don't accept the fact that she blindly trusted a woman she barely knows over a husband to whom she has been married for over six months now. Besides that, the one thing I don't like is, she is never told anything by anyone and then she is screamed at for being nosy. I don't blame her for the fiasco, except for the way she handled everything,..it was immature to make it a public spectacle and also for trusting a stranger over her husband.

But yet again, I will stick to what I said before.. both of them have flaws in their own way and both of them need to take steps towards their marriage.

lol, glorifying 😆 i also saw who tried to show his mistakes and all from sophee s post, she showed trust issues, and glorifying started from next posts😆 At least me not. so please keep me out of that blame 😛😆 i just answered them 😉


For my justification: I believe it depends upon each human how that person reacts to situation that he is put under. some person could have killed his wife if he sees her with another man, some leave happily and some grow with hate towards all women, some may try to make bankrupt and take revenge . we can't say that if they become negative that is bad. they become victim of disaster that s it. how they will react it depends up on individuality , am not saying that he was right to his reactions nor I am saying that he was wrong to react like that. but I don't blame him too the way he reacted.

i saw growth in this character from worst to try to become human and good father

even I have said he was wrong when he din share about adi and he was wrong to take shagun in picnic and other few many times. who says he was always right ? the thing I want to say that shaping of his characterization is not lacking consistency . he makes mistakes but he redeems too.

He was always guilty when he started to hide truth. his redemption is not still over . he is still facing rejections. what was needed more? walking on fire coals?

if he is not only having grey past so not ishita who can't conceive . has she ever tried anymore to consult any doctor as 2nd opinion?

@bold: if she din think marriage beyond "ruhi ke liye" she would not have cried like hell when raman asked her for picnic. why she told: there is no result to cry for him!! i clearly saw ishita madly in love with him.

the points you are trying to say about ishita is not real same do I. agreed both have flaws too but when he has taken his initials to work on marriage she is not supporting him. even if she was wrong in perv, he still supported her and trusted her to no end. why she can't give same trust to him?


of course both were wrong in past but who is showing progress in their graph that is important.

here I see Ishita back to square one. no progress in her thoughts for him at all. she still puts him on same page with perv when it comes to character .

Execution, natural flow is lacking nowadays. Tonight for example making Ishita believe a random girl is a very wrong move by CVs. Where is all the progress made in the perception of each other if Ishita can so easily believe that Raman is someone who can manipulate, be so callous and selfish in relationship to purposefully create a rift in a brother and sister relation?! Forget the love angle, even as a mere friend at this stage of their relation, showing Ishita trusting that sob story is not understandable. When I watch a show I expect to understand the character's actions and see a natural progression/flow along the way. Lately (more precisely since the param track) I can't understand/recognize the Ishita character. As if she has suddenly been transformed to fit the mould of typical SP bahu.

Originally posted by: Aeryn

Execution, natural flow is lacking nowadays. Tonight for example making Ishita believe a random girl is a very wrong move by CVs. Where is all the progress made in the perception of each other if Ishita can so easily believe that Raman is someone who can manipulate, be so callous and selfish in relationship to purposefully create a rift in a brother and sister relation?! Forget the love angle, even as a mere friend at this stage of their relation, showing Ishita trusting that sob story is not understandable. When I watch a show I expect to understand the character's actions and see a natural progression/flow along the way. Lately (more precisely since the param track) I can't understand/recognize the Ishita character. As if she has suddenly been transformed to fit the mould of typical SP bahu.

Perfect on the above .. as u say she dances with him one day next day she is willing to believe the worst of him ..Now this story from day 1 is being written by one person only Sonali Jaffar .i am sure she is more aware of the character ISHITA than u & me can ever be simply coz she created her .. why then when people like u & a couple can see the DISINTEGRATION of ISHITA .. The writer is showing us this .. clearly one looses ones audience when the MAIN PROTAGONIST IS NOT LIKED ..

So once again .. what do u think this track is all about .. ?

Ishita's biggest insecurity to me has always been being less of a woman because of her infertility. Yes she was hurt by Subbu but more than the rejection I feel it was not being able to bear her own child, the problem. Ishita has been giving a chance to matrimony since beginning of show. Even though she was pushed by her mother, she tried with honesty, her only condition being that the man should know of her problem and accept it. This was what happened with Prateek, he agreed for marriage knowing her truth and Ishita accepted without hesitation. Where was her insecurity then? A woman who thinks that she can't be loved because she can't be a mother wouldn't even want to marry in first place imo.

Dint get these 2 statements .. is she insecure or NOT ? Correct me if i am wrong wasn't this exactly the case in the serial ... Did she not only agree to marry Raman in order to save Ruhi ... & rear Ruhi .. RAMAN did not even enter the equation .. he was a necessary evil to be borne if she had to become mother to RUhi

After that what happened? Ruhi came and filled a void in her life. Ishita loves that little girl like her own and Ruhi has given her the place of mother going as far as saying she wished she was born to her. While the pain of not being able to bear her own biological child will always be there, her thirst for motherhood was quenched to a great extent.

Has Raman ever made her feel he had a problem with her infertility? Has he ever made her feel she is less of a woman for this? My answer is NO. In fact he goes ahead and tell her there's no better mother, you are a mother, the mother of my two children. I want my Ruhi to be like you.

So my interpretation of story was that the main problem of Ishra relation was the erroneous perception that each had of the other and of course the barrier of "sirf Ruhi ki liye". Each other's past has been open for the other to see.

SO ONCE AGAIN .. whats this TRACK ABOUT .. what we all (who are talking about the past being the baggage feel) .. this is what this track is about .. A RESOLUTION OF THE PAST .. so that these 2 could move into the FUTURE

At this stage I feel the question should not be "Is he still in love with Shagun?" This has been discussed to death and I still maintain that the answer that he does not is glaringly obvious to see by all including Ishita. All in his actions, body language and words indicate that there is no love in him for that woman who has wrecked his life. She is only the biological mother of his children (unfortunately according to him).

Now here .. at which point has anyone ever said he is IN LOVE WITH SHAGUN ... we have said Ishita believes Raman carries the baggage of his past .. he is not over SHAGUN ..which does not mean he is in love wit SHAGUN... but it means he has not come to terms with his past .. & he needs to RESOLVE his past .. cause all his actions now are a result of his past .. similarly IShita's actions are a reflection of her past ...

To me this was even answered at the end of accident track. In that track Ishita's doubt over the possibility of him still loving his ex was brought to the fore. At the end of it she was shown being maha relieved that her reading of him was not wrong. She was assured that he didn't lie and the matter was not Shagun but Aditya, his son. He was being a father and not an ex lover.

She expected him to come clean to her and her expectation was met. He came and made her the mother of his two children and asked her to complete him, be his strength. That day he handed himself and his two precious possession to her. She understood, she was clearly bowled over. It was a superb scene.

Brilliant .. now heres my ques .. at the begining of the accident track .. Ishita had a talk with her mother .. she believed was in Raman in love with ex wife .. or rather she felt all the love he had was expended on SHAGUN .. similarly when she fights with him.. she says .. all u think about is SHAGUN .. u have loved this woman with everything in you ..

Now at the end of the track . in that heart to heart talk . where he makes her his STRENGTH .. why did the writer not show .. I LOVE YOU ...why say ... become my strength .. ADI IS my weakness .. why did the topic of SHGAUN .. in that discussion between RAMAN & Shagun only come up in reference to her being a MOTHER ..

It was after that Raman started to make the barrier of Sirf Ruhi ki liye fall, giving signs that he wants a real marriage between the two.

The question at this stage should be "Are we on the same page? Do we wish for the same thing".

While an hesitancy to be the one to open up first is understandable and even expected, her utter passiveness is incomprehensible to me. Here is a woman who is drawn to a man, we can even say is in love with him, who is already tied for life to him, is being very nonchalant about their marriage.

Since the param back in house track, it's was more prominently shown as if she is indifferent to the state of their marriage and suddenly oblivious of all the progress made!!

On one side she is shown understanding him and his nature, acknowledging his care, his consideration, his desire for her and other side where it seems she is back to square one. I personally feel there is no flow in her feelings.

At this stage I expect and would find it logical for her to recognize that there is something between the two of them and take a leap of faith and start to work on her marriage. I don't mind if she is shown hesitant doing so but I want to see at least some attempts from her end. It is highly unrealistic for someone in a marriage for this long, baggage or not, to be so unresponsive to it, not mindful of its future.

If we have to agree that Ishita has not noticed/acknowledged the changes in Raman and their relation up till now then I fully agree with Zene and Loveforlife (Raveena?) that it doesn't make sense and kind of nullified what they have gone through, the progress made...what would be the purpose of all these tribulations and advances made in terms of Ishra relationship?!

This is my pov ofc. We can agree to disagree 🤗