Veer Hanuman: Episode Discussion Thread - Page 9

Originally posted by: CID-fan-394

Yeah i watched the promos....too much makeup for young hanuman

True Indra and Surya are villanised for no reason

True . Actually suryadev teaches him. For some lesseon before teaching the shiya should be married. But hanuman is brahmachari. So suryadev asked him to marry his daughter suvarchala as she also followed brahmacharini. After that suryadev teaches him. But here suryadev is villain.

Originally posted by: sumaishu

True . Actually suryadev teaches him. For some lesseon before teaching the shiya should be married. But hanuman is brahmachari. So suryadev asked him to marry his daughter suvarchala as she also followed brahmacharini. After that suryadev teaches him. But here suryadev is villain.

Wait Hanuman ji is married?

My entire life is a lie..

Originally posted by: MJ_1009

yeah thats the usual itv trope (ofc, not in some show b/c i remember in one show initially the guy playing narayana did play rama before they chose another guy later down the road)..usually, its expected that the actor playing narayana will be the one to play ram avtar..

After That I Will Try Watching The Show To See The Actor Playing Ram Ji

Just Two Episodes Only

Originally posted by: CID-fan-394

Wait Hanuman ji is married?

My entire life is a lie..

There are different versions of this tale but the most prominent one is this:

To complete his education Hanuman had to marry but he didn't want to. Surya apparently had/has a daughter Swach or Swarchala by name who was supposed to be pure and auspicious forever. For this she had to marry but still remain celibate. Since this match seemed to be made for each other the marriage was done and both remained celibate by choice (allowed if it is a mutual choice).

I find this story hard to believe despite it working for their favour. Hanuman being an immortal seems perfect for Swarchala but as far as I know there is no rule far as I know that requires a student to marry and then continue his education. From what I know when a student in gurukul studies, he must remain a brahmachari and only after he completes his education he is eligible to marry. Some versions of this story says Surya himself wanted Hanuman to marry his daughter since she had to remain pure for eternity and so he agreed.

The aspect of being pure by being celibate seems alien to me. Although it is celebrated to abstain from the pleasures of life, traditional Indian values never consider family life impure.

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

There are different versions of this tale but the most prominent one is this:

To complete his education Hanuman had to marry but he didn't want to. Surya apparently had/has a daughter Swach or Swarchala by name who was supposed to be pure and auspicious forever. For this she had to marry but still remain celibate. Since this match seemed to be made for each other the marriage was done and both remained celibate by choice (allowed if it is a mutual choice).

I find this story hard to believe despite it working for their favour. Hanuman being an immortal seems perfect for Swarchala but as far as I know there is no rule far as I know that requires a student to marry and then continue his education. From what I know when a student in gurukul studies, he must remain a brahmachari and only after he completes his education he is eligible to marry. Some versions of this story says Surya himself wanted Hanuman to marry his daughter since she had to remain pure for eternity and so he agreed.

The aspect of being pure by being celibate seems alien to me. Although it is celebrated to abstain from the pleasures of life, traditional Indian values never consider family life impure.

Yeah this sounds very strange i don't think this is true

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

There are different versions of this tale but the most prominent one is this:

To complete his education Hanuman had to marry but he didn't want to. Surya apparently had/has a daughter Swach or Swarchala by name who was supposed to be pure and auspicious forever. For this she had to marry but still remain celibate. Since this match seemed to be made for each other the marriage was done and both remained celibate by choice (allowed if it is a mutual choice).

I find this story hard to believe despite it working for their favour. Hanuman being an immortal seems perfect for Swarchala but as far as I know there is no rule far as I know that requires a student to marry and then continue his education. From what I know when a student in gurukul studies, he must remain a brahmachari and only after he completes his education he is eligible to marry. Some versions of this story says Surya himself wanted Hanuman to marry his daughter since she had to remain pure for eternity and so he agreed.

The aspect of being pure by being celibate seems alien to me. Although it is celebrated to abstain from the pleasures of life, traditional Indian values never consider family life impure.

True. Even I didn't know this story. But there is a temple also where hanuman ji is with suvarchala devi in south.

that time i heard this story.

Originally posted by: sumaishu

True. Even I didn't know this story. But there is a temple also where hanuman ji is with suvarchala devi in south.

that time i heard this story.

There are many temples but mostly in Andhra Pradesh/ Telengana and this legend is prevalent in the same region. I am not sure if there are similar temples in other Southern states. I looked up the temples and legends again and found a bit more information.

Hanuman wanted to learn Nava Sidhis from a guru and either none on earth could teach it (I find this hard to believe) or nobody could teach him. Hence Hanuman asked Surya Deva to be his guru and teach the nine divine powers. The first four or five (narratives differ) were no problem but the remaining could be learnt only by married men (or person). In some versions it was the last one (Perfection or Fulfilment). Hence the wedding was arranged. In some versions Surya created a daughter/maiden out of his power for just this purpose and assured Hanuman that the woman would enter meditation soon after the marriage. In some accounts it was a spirit marriage without any feelings of physical attraction.

I wonder why the legends and temples are restricted to a specific region... Andhra/Telengana is close to Hampi/Sumeru... Its possible that Swarchala started meditating here and possibly close to Sumeru where Hanuman was supposed to live.

Also, I wonder how old Hanuman was when he became Surya Deva's disciple. Going by this narrative, Hanuman must be much older than what's portrayed: a young child learning from Surya and running backwards...

If he had learnt in a Gurukula previously and then reached out to Surya, he must have been much older that what is shown but also this should have happened before Sage Matanga's curse... So... How old was he when he learned from Surya Deva...

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

In my opinion he wasn't too egotistical. The brothers Vali and Sugreeva loved each other so much that they were identical even in habits... A trait that never changed even after Sugreeva's banishment. In my opinion Vali loved his brother so much and when he was convinced that Sugreeva betrayed him, it pushed him over the edge and he took Ruma in retaliation. He did defeat Ravana, Dhundhubi and Mayavi and confidently protected his kingdom. It is certainly possible that he could have gotten over confident and being associated with Ravana, even if the interaction was small might have had its adverse effect.

Originally posted by: MJ_1009

oh okay, b/c i thought it was mayavi who took control of his behavior that led to his downfall..

Mayavi was angered due to his brother's death at the hands of Vali, hence wanted to seek revenge. He challenged Vali from the gates of Kishkinda or Vali's residence in the middle of the night. Vali was sound asleep and was woken by the loud and rude shounts and taunts. Despite Sugreeva and the women pleading, Vali accepted the challenge and rushed out. Sugreeva followed. Mayavi, seeing two of them coming at him, ran away in fear. The brothers chased him. He dived into a crack/hole in the ground. Vali pursued. Sugreeva wanted to follow but Vali made him promise to stay at that spot until he kills the demon. Vali probably thought he might need help getting out or maybe would need assistance reaching home after that. Sugreeva waited more than a year, saw blood and foam coming out of the cave, heard Mayavi's shouts but couldn't hear his brother's shouts or voice. At long last, he decided that his brother must be dead and was in grief. Sugreeva sealed the hole/cave in the ground with a boulder thinking that Mayavi might harm Kishkinda if he comes out. Returned in sadness, got crowned and a good long while after that (versions vary, some say it was months, others say it was a few years, but I personally think it was a few weeks or months) Vali returned.

Vali was terribly angry. He was woken in the middle of the night from a deep sleep by a demon challenging him. After a fight/search that lasted well over a year (which means he may not have had anything to eat or very little to sustain himself), after killing his foe (he apparently killed the entire family and friends and associates as well), he comes back to find the entrance blocked. He called his brother but there was no response. He struggled to break the rocks (some versions say he used another route and broke open a mountain top) and came out to find his brother who promised to be there nowhere in sight. He goes back to Kishkinda and finds his brother crowned as king and rage gets the better of him as he assumes his brother closed the exit on purpose to make sure to kill him and enjoy the kingdom and his women. Thus, he insulted Sugreeva, snatched his wife and banished him. Sugreeva fled to Rishyamukha Mountain to save himself since Vali couldn't set foot there.

I read a story that Surya himself asked that Hanuman help Sugreeva as his guru dakshina and hence Hanuman stuck to Sugreeva. This makes me wonder if all this happened while Hanuman was studying with Surya or before... Also... How many years passed by after Sugreeva's banishment until he met Rama? It is mentioned that Vali tried multiple times to kill Sugreeva, sent many assassins and warriors, all of whom were killed by Sugreeva. This can only means it was quite a while ... maybe even years ... Sugreeva was banished before meeting Rama.

Timelines are confusing...

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Mayavi was angered due to his brother's death at the hands of Vali, hence wanted to seek revenge. He challenged Vali from the gates of Kishkinda or Vali's residence in the middle of the night. Vali was sound asleep and was woken by the loud and rude shounts and taunts. Despite Sugreeva and the women pleading, Vali accepted the challenge and rushed out. Sugreeva followed. Mayavi, seeing two of them coming at him, ran away in fear. The brothers chased him. He dived into a crack/hole in the ground. Vali pursued. Sugreeva wanted to follow but Vali made him promise to stay at that spot until he kills the demon. Vali probably thought he might need help getting out or maybe would need assistance reaching home after that. Sugreeva waited more than a year, saw blood and foam coming out of the cave, heard Mayavi's shouts but couldn't hear his brother's shouts or voice. At long last, he decided that his brother must be dead and was in grief. Sugreeva sealed the hole/cave in the ground with a boulder thinking that Mayavi might harm Kishkinda if he comes out. Returned in sadness, got crowned and a good long while after that (versions vary, some say it was months, others say it was a few years, but I personally think it was a few weeks or months) Vali returned.

Vali was terribly angry. He was woken in the middle of the night from a deep sleep by a demon challenging him. After a fight/search that lasted well over a year (which means he may not have had anything to eat or very little to sustain himself), after killing his foe (he apparently killed the entire family and friends and associates as well), he comes back to find the entrance blocked. He called his brother but there was no response. He struggled to break the rocks (some versions say he used another route and broke open a mountain top) and came out to find his brother who promised to be there nowhere in sight. He goes back to Kishkinda and finds his brother crowned as king and rage gets the better of him as he assumes his brother closed the exit on purpose to make sure to kill him and enjoy the kingdom and his women. Thus, he insulted Sugreeva, snatched his wife and banished him. Sugreeva fled to Rishyamukha Mountain to save himself since Vali couldn't set foot there.

I read a story that Surya himself asked that Hanuman help Sugreeva as his guru dakshina and hence Hanuman stuck to Sugreeva. This makes me wonder if all this happened while Hanuman was studying with Surya or before... Also... How many years passed by after Sugreeva's banishment until he met Rama? It is mentioned that Vali tried multiple times to kill Sugreeva, sent many assassins and warriors, all of whom were killed by Sugreeva. This can only means it was quite a while ... maybe even years ... Sugreeva was banished before meeting Rama.

Timelines are confusing...