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Posted: 10 years ago
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If Mahabharata has two characters who have received the most humiliation for no fault whatsoever, one is Draupadi and the other is Karna.

Karna was great. May be greater than Arjuna . He was called suta putra in spite of being surya putra and eldest of kunthi's sons.

He was never acknowledged whole in life.

Only person who acknowledged him was duriyodadana despite of his caste made him anga raj for that karna remained loyal to duriyodhan and never abandoned him knowing fact pandavas was his own blood.

It was about karna it is said never ask starting points of great rivers and great people.

This was karan to us.

So coming back to my point what was equation he shared with Draupadi.

What if draupadi had not rejected him in the first place.

Draupadi has longed for a husband who will have wisdom and moral values, will be strong and well built, a good archer, handsome and intelligent.

Karna is the only character in Mahabharata who has all these qualities. The gods knew Draupadi's wish well ahead of time and gave all these qualities to one man.

Its fate or destiny which parted Draupadi and Karna. He would have been a better only' husband for her than the five she got as he was as good as any of the pandavas when it came to virtues and valour.

But from the political and "Dharma's" point of view, she has to be married with Pandavas. Thats the plan.Karna negates Arjuna, which creates a balance.

Drupadi herself denied karna in swayamwar calling him sutaputra .hence embraced destiny that led to her only suffering nothing else.

This insult caused her own downfall court. An enranged karna took his revenge . karnaa may have stopped Drupadi s public humiliation in public

He has the power at that time. Instead he fuelled oil in fire.

Many years later, she learned from Krishna that Karna is not a suta putra but the eldest son of Kunti. To this, Draupadi regrets saying,

"If I had married him, I would not have been gambled away, publicly humiliated and called a wh**e. For he has all the qualities possessed by my 5 husbands."

So she ended up marrying a man who shared her with his brothers and failed to protect her when she needed him the most.

There is another legend which says that its Karna who prevented the rape of Draupadi by Vasuki. Vasuki could only be pacified by the eldest Kunti-putra (Karna).

Draupadi has always favored Arjuna but alas, Arjuna was not happy with the fact that he has to share the prize he has won with 4 brothers. Arjuna, on the other hand, favored Subhadra. Draupadi knew this too, which is why she starts having a soft corner for the next best archer, Karna.

Karna gives back to Draupadi

In the 12th day of the battle, Arjuna had made a vow to kill Jayadratha (Duryodhana's brother in law). This is because Jayadratha was instrumental in holding off all the other 4 Pandavas in the first gate of "Chakravyuh" , which caused the death of Arjuna's brave son, Abhimanyu.

Since Arjuna has made the vow that either he will kill Jayadratha or he will take "Agni Samadhi", Drona laid out this plan that by the time Arjuna is busy fighting Jayadratha, he can capture Yudhistira.

Bheema was appointed the defence of Yudhistira and hence Duryodhana asks Karna to involve Bheema, so that Drona can capture Yudhistira.

Karna challenges Bheema and fights bravely. He holds him through out the day. Bheema is superior to Karna in Gada (the mace) and Karna is superior to Bheema in archery. Hence, both of them decide to use a neutral weapon - the spear.

At the end of the day, Karna succeeds in defeating Bheema and there comes a point when Bheema is armless and Karna holds his spear towards Bheema's neck. But Karna decides not to kill Bheema.

There are two reasons why he doesn't kill Bheema, despite having all the options to do so.

1. Karna has given his word to Kunti, that his 5 sons will remain alive. If he kills Bheema, he can't kill Arjuna.

2. If Karna kills Bheema, he would do injustice to Draupadi's unstrangled hair. Draupadi has taken a vow that until and unless someone brings the blood of Dussasana's heart and wets her hair, she will never tie her hair. Bheema has made a vow that he will kill Dussasana and bring his hearts blood to Draupadi. If he kills Bheema in this battle, he will do injustice to Draupadi.

Furthermore, Karna had earlier protected Draupadi from Vasuki and then Draupadi had touched his feet saying

"Hey Angraj Karna, please forgive me for my innocence for unfairly denying you participation in my wedding competition and calling you "Suta Putra", I take back my words .Today you have protected my modesty. After Shree Krishna, it is you who have protected my modesty and hence, you have risen to a Godly level in my heart. I, panchali, the wife of Pandavas, the daughter of Drupad, the sister of Dhristadhumnya, the mother of 5 brave sons, respect you to equal level of my husbands."

To this Karna had said

"Hey Devi, hey Annapurna, hey Kalyani, forgive me too, for I had insulted you in the courtroom. I was blind in the agony of revenge and I didn't realize your worth. Please forgive me too. I will ensure justice is done to your hair."

Karna decides to walk away and not kill Bheema.

When Draupadi learns that Karna had spared the life of Bheema, her love and respect for Karna is magnified.

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Posted: 10 years ago
#22
That Jambun tree is not a part of Mahabharata. Nor is that Rape story. So that cannot be evidence for KD theory.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Myraluvpanchali

Wow! So this nonsense topic have started again 👏 I don't know y more than that vrishali girl draupadi is being discussed here! 😕 come on people talk about Priyamvada,Kunti,Radha or vrishali but just LEAVE draupadi!!! Draupadi isn't even related to karna and right now not even related to this show so there's absolutely no need to talk about Draupadi here!!
And@apoorvaarnav: if you have anything like a citation or something to prove about this so called "attraction" between karna-Draupadi then Plz go ahead! Talk about "facts" not your "imagination".

She just expressed her liking and she is new to the forum , she wasn't aware that discussing Karn -Draupadi is forbidden , so plz spare her frm posting citation
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Posted: 10 years ago
#24
First of all Mahabharata was unfair to all women.. And I am not saying karna was the best..he too was bit arrogant..
As for citation..i am saying this is My POV..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: apoorvaarnav

First of all Mahabharata was unfair to all women.. And I am not saying karna was the best..he too was bit arrogant..
As for citation..i am saying this is My POV..


And that's what I'm saying I don't want to know your POV I want to know the FACT. You can't say something without an evidence.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ok I wondered this is the first topic since star MB forum opened that first Tim K-D being discussed without fighting bashing abusing mocking sarcasm warning and at last banning.
As per me I never thought karna and draupadi had any forbidden love. But I always felt there can be some mutual admiration at least till dyutsabha.
But personally I feel karna and draupadi were best suited for each other. I never had any hesitation to say that openly I had to bear a lot for that I don't care. I still feel Aham and Pooja the actors of starkarna and stardraupadi had amazing chemistry and I would love to see them together in any show. And I never liked shaheeer-pooja actor of star Arjun and draupadi paring. For saying that too I had been abused. But as I said I don't care to say my heart (note I am not comparing any pair. I am just voicing my personal liking disliking)

Neither I am fond of ardi of epic. From childhood all my
near and dear people friends teacher used to talk against ardi. I even had been mocked for liking Arjun.
Even general opinion of people surrounding me was draupadi could get happy life if she had not rejected Karna. My head of dept says its very normal Draupadi might at least one thought after karna truth revealed that I could marry karna then I wouldn't have faced such misery. Devdutt Pattnayak's Jaya says same.
Dr. Nrisinghaprasad Bhaduri is sure Karna has attraction for Draupadi. And that attraction worked reversed in Dyutsabha.
So even though not in Mahabharat but have to accept general nutral mindset has a curiosity for karna-draupadi pairing.
only in india-forum it was ulta
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Posted: 10 years ago
#27
Jhuma Di, I have read Dr Bhaduris book too. True actually common verdict is quiet different from what we see in If!
Coming to aham pooja yes I too feel they have an amazing chemistry. Punishment couple has no chemistry for me but that is totally my opinion. I am sure maybe couples I like, ppl may find zero chemistry in them.. that is their choice!! But what I detest is just because of shaja why will we be banned from supporting whichever couple we want to! !! And another thing, people had interest in ardi because of shaja... Because In epic it is not that important. I mean their love do not effect the epic in anyway. I don't mean to say there was no love.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#28
That topic again!! 😆

Well TM...let me tell u one thing honestly...I am a great opposer of this pairing...but for the first time, I am actually liking the discussions here...The reason is, u havent tried to forcefully claim that they loved each other...instead u expressed your opinion honestly...I liked how you expressed your views on two of the most dynamic characters...

If seen that way...then maybe, maybe they could have made a great pair...Or may be not.
On one hand, Karna n Draupadi were two dynamic people...so maybe they would have made a great pair.
On the other hand...if u see carefully, then Karna n Draupadi had conflicting attributes...
Both were sharp-tongued, both were short-tempered, both had a dominating personality(or that's wat I have understood).
So...can two such people be perfect for each other?
May be not.

I feel that men like Karna deserve a sorted woman...something like Vrushali(as she is imagined).
And Draupadi deserved a more calm man...coz two swords cant exist in a sheath.
It's unfortunate that Draupadi was married to five...n quite ironically Bhima(who was the most hot-headed) turned out tobe her best husband...Nonetheless wat I mean to say is, they both were different yet similar in such a way, MAY BE they would not have made a great pair...but that is my opinion.

Now coming to y it is a forbidden topic...well some people here raised the topic of fan groups...
Now I can only speak for myself n say y I hate this topic...

You see...this whole pairing involves two people, Karna and Draupadi. To be honest, this linking does not impact Karna's reputation ONE BIT...Karna was a man...so whether he was married to fifty women or loved Draupadi...nothing can impact his image...He will always be hailed as 'Danveer' n all...irrespective of who he is linked with. Hence Karna lovers either like this pairing or are simply not bothered about it.

But Draupadi was a woman...n a polyandrous woman. Just for her polyandry, she is called 'characterless' by many though she was legally married to five...On top of that, if she is linked with Lord Krishna or Karna then u can imagine where that leads her...
Despite wat is written in the epic, people still see elements of prostitution in her bcoz of her polyandry...So now if she is paired to other men as well...I hope u see, where it puts her. Our society is still conservative... 😭

I liked Palace of Illusions...bcoz it depicted Karna-Draupadi angle in a different way. She liked Karna before she met her husbands n thanks to their failure, she could not love them. But the Jambu fruit story where Draupadi says 'If only Karna had been Kunti's son...I would have married him too'...this is absolutely 🤢
So the Palace of Illusion angle is tolerable...but Jambu fruit is not, bcoz it kind of depicts Draupadi as a very dissatisfied woman.


So though it's easier to say that 'let people have their own POV'...it's difficult to deal with various POVs when people pass nasty comments about something u hold dear just for the sake of expressing their POV. For me that dear thing is Draupadi.

Thanks for making this post...😊Coz we really needed to have a constructive discussion on this...for a LONG time.
And u are spared of the Mahabharat classes n citation sessions 😉 😆 coz u expressed ur opinion in a very decent way, unlike wat others have done before in this forum regarding Karna and Draupadi...


I hope I have been able to express y most Draupadi admirers(if not all) oppose this pairing...😊 It's just that we are very sensitive n sentimental about wat people think about Draupadi's character.

I'll quote my Karnali friend Riti here...

'Maybe we are sentimental...but you don't be judgemental'...[Meant for all those who accuse Drauholics for opposing this pair]

Edited by amritat - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Amrita.. just one thing.. If marrying 50 women and loving not loving would really not matter then today I would not hear things like arjun only went around marrying women..He is a spineless man who knows only to have fun with women and produce children. Yes. That is the common verdict.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Myraluvpanchali


And that's what I'm saying I don't want to know your POV I want to know the FACT. You can't say something without an evidence.



Sorry but for knowing facts IF is not the best place.. Did u think this is wikipedia or something close to that???

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