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Srutha

@SriMaatangi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#541

Sanjana, by any chance, are you in the Sita is the Independent Goddess, Ram is the independent God thing?

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Sanjana

@Siya-Ram

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Posted: 9 years ago

#542

I didn't get u Di pls explain. The next one

Credit: devdutt pattanaik

Some modification and compiling by me

mparision not meant to hurt anybody

Rules don't make ram
Both Ramayana and Mahabharata are about human society and about rules. In the Ramayana, Ram follows the rules but in the Mahabharata, Krishna breaks the rules. We are told both are righteous. Both uphold dharma. Both are forms of God. Both fight corruption. How can that be?
In the Ramayana, the villain breaks rules. Neither Surpanaka nor Ravan respect the laws of marriage. Surpanakha uses force to get rid of competition and get herself a desirable mate. Ravan uses cunning to steal another man's only wife, despite having many of his own. In contrast, in the Mahabharata, the villain does not break a single rule. No one - neither Bhisma nor Drona nor Karna nor the Pandavas - cry foul when a woman is dragged and disrobed in public, as technically Duryodhan has not broken a single rule in the gambling hall. A rule-following Ram can combat a rule-breaking Ravan. But would he succeed against a rule-following villain like Duryodhan? That is why even God had to change his avatar, and become Krishna, who bends the laws of nature, and gets cloth to materialize to rescue Draupadi from her shame
Ram vs pandavas.

It is curious that the forest-exile is central to both Ramayana and Mahabharata, the twin epics of India. In the Ramayana, Ram goes into exile so that his father can keep his word to his step-mother, Kaikeyi. In the Mahabharata, the Pandavas go into exile following an agreement with their cousins, the Kauravas, when they lose their kingdom in a gambling match.
The reaction to the exile in both epics is starlingly different. In the Ramayana, Ram keeps saying that neither Kaikeyi nor his father should be blamed and the moment should be accepted as an act of destiny. In the Mahabharata, Pandavas keep blaming Kauravas and their uncle, Shakuni, for fraud and trickery.

Ram looks calm and peaceful, even though he is clearly the victim of palace politics. The Pandavas on the other hand are angry and furious, never once taking responsibility for the fact that they gambled away their kingdom.
The loss of kingdom and exile into the forest is a metaphor for misfortune. But the approach to it distinguishes Ram from the Pandavas and makes the former a king worthy of worshipThe former take responsibility for a situation, even if they are not to blame. The latter do not take responsibility for a situation, even if they are to blame.

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Srutha

@SriMaatangi

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Posted: 9 years ago

#543

Do you view Sita as an independent Goddess? and Ram as a dependent God?

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1087354

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Posted: 9 years ago

#544

@Srutha di I have read that somewhere too, so I think there are just different versions of the story. Sorry! And di, I view them both as coexisting. One does not exist without the other.

@Sanjana di Thanks for sharing those two analyses. I especially loved the first one. Sita may be the heroine, but she is the one who acts and behaves like the hero, fearless and confident. Thank you!

@Sruthi di That is okay. Everyone goes through such a time, and we'll wait for your awesome analyses tomorrow. By the way, should we compile all of the analyses into one every time?

Edited by shabari14 - 9 years ago

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Sanjana

@Siya-Ram

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Posted: 9 years ago

#545

No Di when I read Sita book by devdutt I felt the same but then shruthiravi Di changed my opinions

Relation as humans had a much deeper meaning where no man can live as an island

Did ram really need a motive to kill ravan Like if suppose the laxman rekha couldnt be crossed by sita then ravan coudnt have kidnapped sitadid ram need a reason to kill ravan wasnt the fact that he was bad and he attempted to kidnap his wife wasnt it a enough motiveshould we stand up against evil with full determination only if it affects us straighti would like to know ur opinionsi have a few reasons lets me know yoursandAnd actually i was visiting a few temples yesterday people contribute so much for temples it is good but how many poor people does it reachviveknanda rightly said before joining ur hands in prayer lend a helping hand

Ayodha gloomed in darkness the infliction of vanvas

This is the first time I am trying a fan fiction hope u like itPls comment below

Ayodha praja have lost their enthusiasm for life after the suryavanshi who gave them strength even the beautiful moon can't calm their heart because their moon( Sita) has gone with ram. Life without sunshine and moonlight but the heart has hope just 2 yrs and they wake up with one day reduced in the vanvas. Their ram had taken their breath away yet they live for he would come back. They followed Ramji ideals and life wasColourless and void but beyond the threshold of palace gates lies a turmoil of emotions.The sun shone to capture the glimpse of the beautiful princess who slept with serenity for the sake of the brother of her jijasree who was her husband. The calmness in her face will destroy meghnand Unknown to her. She sleeps calmly now but when she knows her Sita didi was kidnapped she would boil and will erupt like a volcano but alas she won't even know that unless it's over.Mandvi wishes that her didis decision isn't reality but she remembers Sitas words sorrow comes only when we resist reality for a dreamShe gains strength just two more years and she has a job to console a repentant heart but can that be consoled until ram is back. Her eyes well up with tears her emotions are unconquerableKaikeyi her hell and karma just two more years she thinks but we know when Sita again goes for vanvas it is a consequence of her boons so fate has a different plan. If only she thinks but atleast ram will be back in two yearsSrutakirti tries to spread happiness but she itself is soulless without her didi. She thinks 2 yrs but the 10 months of separation for ram and Sita will be like ten yearsShatrughn tries hard to render justice but when ram goes will justice say. He is heartbroken at the thought of his brothers. He hates the palace politics which led his brother to vanvas yet stays strong 2 yrs more

Bharat at Nandigram Is a sanyasi but will he be able to bear the news of sitaharan. He was born to an ambitious mother and that wasn't his mistake yet the thought of his brother gives him strength. He eats and sleeps thinking of ramSumithra her anger dies down but she is filled with thoughts of Sita ram and laxman. Dasharath is no more and her life has meaning which is in the form of ram. She sends her prays to shiva to protect ram and it will have meaning in the form of hanuman. Her life has purpose but she can't smile nature can't make her smile neither can God only her ram can who is her God and ours tooKausaliya founds solace in Vishnu but she is reserved for she is soul less right now but hope Arises two yrs moreNo words are spoken for there is nothing to speak. They all know their thoughts they shouldn't be sad for their ram Sita and laxman won't like itThey knew them more than anybody else. But will they be able to bear the news of sitaharan their hearts will bleed at the thought Mythila ka Mythila, videha ka videhi abduction but they know the larger purpose of life

So how's it guys???????

Credit to: Sanjana

Ram and Krishna a contrast yet similar

Ram and krishna both stood for dharm but for ram the means was as important as the end but for krishna the end was importanteach yuga or era was imperfect than its predessor for eg parashuram beheaded his mother renuka while ram freed ahilya of her curseSo after ram a krishna was needed and now kalki is neededram was a king so he had to follow rules accept responsibitybut krishna chose responsibiltythere are many relation between the avartars too but there are lot of differences too for instance ram was born in palace while krishna in jail. A perfect king like ram is needed but a perfect kingmaker like krishna also needed to make many perfect kingsMaryada purushottaman ram was incomplete without sitawhereas leela purushottam accepted his devotees his wife and was the leela purushottamanram was personally unhappy whereas krishna had no personal tragedy as suchram and krishna were leaders in their own waybut sacrifices was main in ramayan whereas revenge seems to occupy spotlight in mahabharatBut both ram and krishna were kind they give chance of forgiveness to the enemies but fate had something else writtenram accepted destiny but krishna was ready to change it and both seems incomplete i mean we too should accept destiny as well as act against it if needed

A poem of mine

I am actually trying a poem all kinds of comments are welcome first time in my life I am trying my hand at poem whatever I feel in TAMIL I will type in ENGLISH as Tamil won't be accepted. And since it is first time I will use a few basic themes. Pls pls do comment especially people I knowDo u remember the woman who was ploughed out of the earthDo u remember the pride of mithila and bride of Shri ramJanak ka putri ram ke patniDo u remember the one who chose vanvas with her belovedDo u remember the one whose body could be imprisoned never her mindDo u remember the one who gave agnipariksha to prove her chastityDo u remember people said Agni was a brother of her motherDo u remember she could give up her her life for ram and she did just thatDo u remember the one who lifted the shiv danus and blushed when ram did the sameDo remember the Kul vadhu of ayodha who lifted the pride of the Jul to great heightsDo u remember the beloved sister of urmila mandvi srutakirtiShe who protected dharmaDo u remember her questions which were thought provoking for even the wisestDo u remember the heroine who walked away with applause tears and cheersDo u remember ram ke siya who was never the victim but the epitome of chastityDo u remember the woman who led her life with held high and trusted her husband more than the worldDo u remember the one who loved Shri ram and saw the toll of culture on her husband with silenceDo u remember the one who was light in everybody's lifeDo u remember how ayodha lost their happiness by questioning janaks daughter

Just a simple attempt just what we basically what we know about but she was a lot moreBut I would bore u if I type on

So how is it

Credit to: Sanjana

And i want ur opiniondraupdi wanted a flower and when bheem went to bring it for her he meets hanumana blessing for her husband and she was the mediumsita wanted a deer and ram goes to bring itshe becomes the motive strength and medium of fulfilment of her husbands aimits so contrasting rightshare ur opinions

A few articles of mine from Tu

Pls post ur opinions

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Srutha

@SriMaatangi

Sparkler

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

#546

Originally posted by: shabari14
@Srutha di I have read that somewhere too, so I think there are just different versions of the story. Sorry! And di, I view them both as coexisting. One does not exist without the other.

@Sanjana di Thanks for sharing those two analyses. I especially loved the first one. Sita may be the heroine, but she is the one who acts and behaves like the hero, fearless and confident. Thank you!

@Sruthi di That is okay. Everyone goes through such a time, and we'll wait for your awesome analyses tomorrow. By the way, should we compile all of the analyses into one every time?

I also think them to be co-existing kiddo. I wanted to know Sanjana's POV, that's all.

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Sanjana

@Siya-Ram

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#547

Guys when u copy and paste does this happen so many words joined on their own

Pls ignore the one will repost the same

Did ram really need a motive to kill ravan Like if suppose the laxman rekha couldnt be crossed by sita then ravan coudnt have kidnapped Sita did ram need a reason to kill ravan wasnt the fact that he was bad and he attempted to kidnap his wife wasnt it a enough motive should we stand up against evil with full determination only if it affects us straight I would like to know ur opinionsi have a few reasons lets me know yours and actually i was visiting a few temples yesterday people contribute so much for temples it is good but how many poor people does it reach viveknanda rightly said before joining ur hands in prayer lend a helping hand

Ayodha gloomed in darkness the infliction of vanvas

This is the first time I am trying a fan fiction hope u like it Pls comment below

Ayodha praja have lost their enthusiasm for life after the suryavanshi who gave them strength even the beautiful moon can't calm their heart because their moon( Sita) has gone with ram. Life without sunshine and moonlight but the heart has hope just 2 yrs and they wake up with one day reduced in the vanvas. Their ram had taken their breath away yet they live for he would come back. They followed Ramji ideals and life was Colourless and void but beyond the threshold of palace gates lies a turmoil of emotions.The sun shone to capture the glimpse of the beautiful princess who slept with serenity for the sake of the brother of her jijasree who was her husband. The calmness in her face will destroy meghnand Unknown to her. She sleeps calmly now but when she knows her Sita didi was kidnapped she would boil and will erupt like a volcano but alas she won't even know that unless it's over.Mandvi wishes that her didis decision isn't reality but she remembers Sitas words sorrow comes only when we resist reality for a dreamShe gains strength just two more years and she has a job to console a repentant heart but can that be consoled until ram is back. Her eyes well up with tears her emotions are unconquerable Kaikeyi her hell and karma just two more years she thinks but we know when Sita again goes for vanvas it is a consequence of her boons so fate has a different plan. If only she thinks but atleast ram will be back in two years. Srutakirti tries to spread happiness but she itself is soulless without her didi. She thinks 2 yrs but the 10 months of separation for ram and Sita will be like ten yearsShatrughn tries hard to render justice but when ram goes will justice say. He is heartbroken at the thought of his brothers. He hates the palace politics which led his brother to vanvas yet stays strong 2 yrs more

So how's it guys???????

Credit to: Sanjana

Ram and Krishna a contrast yet similar

Ram and krishna both stood for dharm but for ram the means was as important as the end but for krishna the end was important each yuga or era was imperfect than its predessor for eg parashuram beheaded his mother renuka while ram freed ahilya of her curse So after ram a krishna was needed and now kalki is neededram was a king so he had to follow rules accept responsibity but krishna chose responsibilty there are many relation between the avartars too but there are lot of differences too for instance ram was born in palace while krishna in jail. A perfect king like ram is needed but a perfect kingmaker like krishna also needed to make many perfect kings Maryada purushottaman ram was incomplete without sita whereas leela purushottam accepted his devotees his wife and was the leela purushottaman ram was personally unhappy whereas krishna had no personal tragedy as such ram and krishna were leaders in their own waybut sacrifices was main in ramayan whereas revenge seems to occupy spotlight in mahabharatBut both ram and krishna were kind they give chance of forgiveness to the enemies but fate had something else written ram accepted destiny but krishna was ready to change it and both seems incomplete i mean we too should accept destiny as well as act against it if needed

A poem of mine

Do u remember the pride of mithila and bride of Shri ram

Janak ka putri ram ke patni

Do u remember the one who chose vanvas with her beloved

Do u remember the one whose body could be imprisoned never her mind

Do u remember the one who gave agnipariksha to prove her chastity

Do u remember people said Agni was a brother of her mother

Do u remember she could give up her her life for ram and she did just that

Do u remember the one who lifted the shiv danus and blushed when ram did the same

Do remember the Kul vadhu of ayodha who lifted the pride of the Kul to great heights

Do u remember the beloved sister of urmila mandvi srutakirti She who protected dharma

Do u remember her questions which were thought provoking for even the wisest

Do u remember the heroine who walked away with applause tears and cheers

Do u remember ram ke siya who was never the victim but the epitome of chastity

Do u remember the woman who led her life with held high and trusted her husband more than the world

Do u remember the one who loved Shri ram and saw the toll of culture on her husband with silence

Do u remember the one who was light in everybody's life

Do u remember how ayodha lost their happiness by questioning janaks daughter

Just a simple attempt just what we basically what we know about but she was a lot moreBut I would bore u if I type on

So how is it

Credit to: Sanjana

And i want ur opinion draupdi wanted a flower and when bheem went to bring it for her he meets hanuman a blessing for her husband and she was the medium Sita wanted a deer and ram goes to bring it she becomes the motive strength and medium of fulfilment of her husbands aimits so contrasting rightshare ur opinions

A few articles of mine from Tu

Pls post ur opinions

Pls bear grammatical errors had typed all this in phone when I posted in Tu

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Sanjana

@Siya-Ram

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#548

Now I don't understand IF I posted in thread it didn't post twice and so I posted as topic maybe for good a many people will share opinions

My most important question I request all member to reply

I was reading ur discussion on gods and I am born in a family where my moms side goes to melmarvuthur (u might know) there is a guru there. They all pray to a guru and I do find a difference

Like for eg mahatria, ramakrishna for u to get clarity

And my dads side to an ashram where there was a guru now his samadhi is kept there

What do u think is a guru( Saint ) impact in lives

My life I feel really blessed to be born in such a family and there are really serious in the guru bhakthi and

When I see the live of my family all are successful in life and all are really good I mean they don't have any bad vices and they are really good souls I can assure u

I have observed in each situation

And surely a guru we see as God and definitely our lives have a change I mean his presence is so evident in simple things

They often take me there and we stay in that ashram also

All the needs of life are blessed and we are able to do charity by gods blessing

in my mom I see such devotion and her professional and personal life is smooth

And in my dad he really trusts in his guru and in him I see a really a

good human being and I feel the guru impact

And personally too when we had gone for padapuja as they call it in melmarivathur he signed something as he was mounam ( observing silence) that day and after about 2 weeks I had an operation which delayed by 2 hrs would have cost my life

I mean what I mean by good souls that are not too happy or sad about anything. They are not at all money minded their service is astounding to me

I have not share this with anybody in my life

Today I would like to know ur opinion what do u think of a guru( Saint)

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Aadhya

@AadhyaAashutosh

Voyager

Posted: 9 years ago

#549

Sanjana, your fiction & poem were good 👏

Please keep posting 😃

It is my personal opinion that when an Epic is written from a certain character's view point, it always highlights their feelings. Their behaviour is given more importance. So we may find every incident linked with them. It is always better to read the original where every character is given equal importance & space 😊