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Shivam...

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Posted: 9 years ago

#611

Originally posted by: Meself

So why the Agni Pariksha??

thats when chaya sita was destroyed and real sita maa came into picture , in one of the version

In other version , real sita gave agni pariksha , and she was pious , she hadnt gone to lanka , so agni couldnt harm her

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Janaki

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: Meself
Okay one more question, when does Chaya Sita appear? I mean is it from Valmiki Ramayan or Tulsidas's Raam Charitra Manas? And why this concept??

Chhaya Sita is from Adhyatma Ramayana, and also Tulsidas Ramayana.

In Valmiki Ramayana, it is the real Sita who was kidnapped.

In Adhyatma/Tulsidas Ramayana, Ram and Sita know when Ravan will appear in Panchavati, and around that time they invoke Agni Dev, who is like Sita's brother in relation, since both are children of Bhudevi. The real Sita goes to Agni Dev and resides in his house for the entirety of Sita haran, while her shadow (chhaya Sita) stays back to get kidnapped by Ravan.

Not even Lakshman was told about the switch.

So Ram's pain/anguish was all made up in this version, to make Lakshman believe Sita was really kidnapped, though this doesn't make sense to me. I never understood why Ram did not tell Lakshman to truth. Why all the acting? 😕

This is why I take Valmiki Ramayana as the truth, especially in this part. I don't buy the chhaya sita theory.

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Janaki

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Posted: 9 years ago

#613

Originally posted by: Meself

So why the Agni Pariksha??

Agni Pariksha was meant to get real Sita back from Agni dev and return Sita's shadow form back into her.

To the world it looked like Ram doubted her, but in reality he was getting his Sita back.

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Shivam...

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Posted: 9 years ago

#614

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Agni Pariksha was meant to get real Sita back from Agni dev and return Sita's shadow form back into her.

To the world it looked like Ram doubted her, but in reality he was getting his Sita back.

But this Chaya sita is a very absurd type of version

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Shliya

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Posted: 9 years ago

#615

I made a post some time back Ramayan is not a text it's an evolving tradition. Today the Ramayan a layman knows is actually one story which draws instances from different versions. Point is as each person/ community listened to it that modified it according to their culture to make it more acceptable or u can say attractive to their people.

What I read some where that in south don't remember exactly which people when they read Ramayan the idea of raavan touching the pure and pious Sita to abduct her didn't go down well with them so they came up with their idea of chaya Sita, so as to avoid that part.

In kamban Ramayan there were similar reservations, so in kamban Ramayan raavan doesn't touch Sita he respects her purity and actually carries by uprooting the entire land area on which she's standing.

Slightly off the topic this but I do feel that there are unlimited versions of Ramayan and hence Ram in India, each one sees the epic and the character in their own unique manner. They borrow the exemplary character to propagate their values and morals which they want their generations to learn.

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Janaki

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Yes, the Chhaya Sita concept primarily came up in the South, but personally I do not like it because it makes it seem like Sita's chastity is solely based on other men touching her or not. It gives her piety less importance, and thus I do not like that version. Sita is chaste because she was always devoted to Ram in mind, body and action. Ravan touching her against her will doesn't affect her chastity in any way. It doesn't make her any less pure.

Plus, Valmiki's explanation for Ravan touching Sita portrays Sita in a far stronger, more empowered way.

Sita let herself be kidnapped by him, to bring about his destruction. That is so much more empowering than Sita having to justify her purity by creating a shadow form of herself.

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Arijit

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Posted: 9 years ago

#617

why the word "pity" comes in use when describing draupadi and sita's plight? yes, they were insulted brutaly by men who were blind in pride because they thought that they were like allmighty because they were strong, but,the men who insulted them were destroyed, so, who deserve pity, sita or raavan?

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Shliya

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Posted: 9 years ago

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I agree.

And since you said about empowerment, I've been feeling something ever since Starsita landed in Lanka. Cvs are really inscrutable, I don't understand how they are projecting Sita's character. I remember in earlier Ramayans or even in texts Sitaji was very calm and patient and strong. She's not naive, she speaks for herself when she wishes to follow Ram despite objection. She lets Ram Lakshman lead the way since they know forest better. But she's not unresponsive to whats happening around. She extracts a promise from lord Ram never to kill without provocation. When raavan comes disguised she's smart enough to remark that he doesn't really look like a sadhu ( this is in some version, I don't think it has been ever shown ). But when in Lanka she's not somebody who can be opressed, she keeps taking Ram's name and keeps singing his praises much to raavan's chargin and also rebukes him many times.

Hete it's totally opposite. We see Sita strong and preachy when she's in the protective company of Ram and Lakshman, arguing that she's capable of protecting herself when ironically she had had a confrontation with demons at the time Lakshman was building kutiya and found herself helpless. N in Lanka she seems to have completely lost her spirit. She has requested to kill her thrice, she was ready to die when goons came.

I accept the answer that this is SKR POV, but why their POV always has to be opposite of what was real.

Just an observation, no intention to offend anyone. Since this track has just started hope we see her more strong in coming episodes.

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MagadhSundari

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..
Yes, the Chhaya Sita concept primarily came up in the South, but personally I do not like it because it makes it seem like Sita's chastity is solely based on other men touching her or not. It gives her piety less importance, and thus I do not like that version. Sita is chaste because she was always devoted to Ram in mind, body and action. Ravan touching her against her will doesn't affect her chastity in any way. It doesn't make her any less pure.

Plus, Valmiki's explanation for Ravan touching Sita portrays Sita in a far stronger, more empowered way.

Sita let herself be kidnapped by him, to bring about his destruction. That is so much more empowering than Sita having to justify her purity by creating a shadow form of herself.

There's a bit of a misunderstanding here - the Chhaya Sita theory does not posit that Ravan couldn't have touched Sita because of her chastity - it's because of her divinity. As an avataar of adishakti, touching the real her would burn him, and just as he couldn't carry Lakshman, carrying her too would've been impossible for him. There are several puranic stories about demons trying to carry avataars of Lakshmi and failing - here's a particularly fun one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL5p0YZm588

An additional element of the Chhaya Sita concept is that Vedvati had been dwelling in the fire ever since she immolated herself in response to Ravan's assault - when Sita entered the fire, it was Vedvati who emerged from the flames to exact her revenge. Sita was a purna avataar of Lakshmi, while Vedvati was only an ansha; therefore her shakti wasn't so overpowering that Ravan wouldn't be able to abduct her.

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Vrish

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Posted: 9 years ago

#620

Originally posted by: Shliya
Not only that but it's kind unreasonable that a small dove can travel such huge distance that too as you said without being fully aware of it. It violates nature that a small bird can travel so much.
Moreover though we finally had Ram Lakshman scene I seriously thought it was rushed, it was good but rushed. They seemed more interested in showing Lanka family politics.

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

The vaanar sena themselves professed that only a handful of them could reach Lanka. Angad said he had the strength to go there but not come back, as eight yojanas was just to great a distance for him. Jambvanth said he could go there, but the leap might take so much energy out of him, he wouldn't be able to fight with anyone if necessary.

Only Lord Hanuman had the strength to cross the ocean and come back.

Is this mere Dove so great that he's equal to Hanumanji himself?

Thus the dove coming to Lanka lacks sense and is unrealistic.

If they wanted to show Sita receiving news of Ram, they could have used some creative liberty by showing Bhudevi appearing to Sita, comforting her and describing Ramji's pain.

That wouldn't have been unrealistic as Sita is Bhudevi's daughter, but the whole dove situation was unrealistic.

The main problem that Mr Dove would have would be crossing the Palk Strait. Within Lanka, he could keep flying short distances until he got to Jaffna, but then, on the flight to Rameshwaram, he'd have to encounter the same 4 demons that Hanuman encountered. Even if Ravan hadn't shot him, he'd have been killed right there. So how did he get to Lanka in a way that only Hanuman could?

Now Mrs Dove has needlessly widowed herself by sending her mate on such a mission