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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Shivam to anyone who asks did writers think, I always say if it is not there, then how I can see it. You cant see something which is not there. Only thing is how you see it. Which perspective. And if CVs have not planned neither me nor DD would have been able to connect this much.

Somewhere we would have lost the loop. And for me I know one thing. I can feel when the script strays . I run away from that soap.
And any script that doesn't obey Newton's law of motion well you wont find me anywhere near it. That's why I don't watch many TV shows also.
As they not only challenge common sense, but they challenge physics.


i agree shruthi... 😃

@bold in some cases biology also 🤣

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Shivam...

Baap Re Baap Shruti

Itna Lamba Analysis , but it was beautiful😃

Main thing to think about - Did Writers think this much while planning the episode 😆😆

I highly doubt that😆😆


never underestimate writers shivam... u never know ek simple scene mein depth kitni ho sakti hai.. i ges shruthi and i give that streak in our writings so maybe hume dikh jata hai... 😆

but yes when sanskriti interferes prakriti satyanaas happens.. u may ask how?

thought process (prakriti) gets affected by trps ( sanskriti)
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Posted: 9 years ago
Shruthi, nice analysis. You are trying to compare every situation to MB but should it not be the otherwise, I mean vice versa. We should always try to compare MB to Ramayan as Ramayan is older than Mahabharat? We can't justify some flaws of Ramayan comparing them to MB as MB is set for more a destruction as Lord Krishna had more opponent's than Lord Rama. For Rama, his main purpose was to kill Ravan to establish peace while for Krishna, it was countless or many like, Jarasandha, Shishupala, Kamsa, Puthana and list goes. So Krishna had to follow some twisted ways to kill or to get some one killed in the hands of others. If I am right, Ram used this twisted way only once when he had to kill Vali (Sugreev's brother), he hide behind the tree to kill him but Krishna used many such plots, like bringing in Shikandi in front of Bhishma, announcing Ashwatham's death by Yudhistar's mouth to ward Dronacharya, Used Kunti to take vachan from Karna to not to use the same Astra again so that he doesn't use Shakti astra on Arjuan (son of Indra). etc.
Will write more later. In office on Monday and also the month beginning.
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Posted: 9 years ago
In simple terms, Rama and Krishna avataras happened for two different reasons; in two different times.
Rama, though a God, lived as a man. He was born a man, and he lived as a man. An ideal man, nevertheless.
Krishna is born as God; but He switched between living as a God and man. The Kauravas said He was man, He never accepted it. He knew He was God.

However Jaya, we need the MB to completely understand the Ramayana. Where Ramayana is ideal, MB is not. They are interconnected, and always will be. Understanding Ramayan, at some points can be difficult. And this is where MB comes in. If you understand Ram, you understand Krishna and vice versa. That's what made me understand Ram. To understand both of them is when you get the purpose of the Avatars completely.

Sorry if I digressed.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: TwinMadness

In simple terms, Rama and Krishna avataras happened for two different reasons; in two different times.
Rama, though a God, lived as a man. He was born a man, and he lived as a man. An ideal man, nevertheless.
Krishna is born as God; but He switched between living as a God and man. The Kauravas said He was man, He never accepted it. He knew He was God.

However Jaya, we need the MB to completely understand the Ramayana. Where Ramayana is ideal, MB is not. They are interconnected, and always will be. Understanding Ramayan, at some points can be difficult. And this is where MB comes in. If you understand Ram, you understand Krishna and vice versa. That's what made me understand Ram. To understand both of them is when you get the purpose of the Avatars completely.

Sorry if I digressed.


Srutha aap toh beh gayi 😃

But as u know am into ram more 😳 isliye I ges I tend to understand ram... I feel him.. But I ges won't be able to explain his character in detail..
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Posted: 9 years ago
@jaya nice question. Shoudlnt it be other way. For me more than Ramayana the thing I can more relate is MB as a person from Kaliyuga or rather you can say MB is nearer to our times. MB is where God gives knowledge to a human on why he has to fight. It is not revenge, it is not the war against his near and dear ones but it is the war for dharma through Bhagavad Gita. And for me that itself is deep. Understanding BG. Understanding the surrender of Arjun to Krishna. Arjun the action, Krishna the direction.
As a person from kaliyuga we want to keep both action and direction in our control. Or rather we plan, plan for a specific outcome and also outline a path on how we are going to achieve it. It's victory or loss for us.
So to leave direction for someone and to keep action in our control itself will take supreme effort. And for that itself we have to understand MB.
And you can say I travelled in this direction quite a lot that is surrendering direction to Krishna, keeping action in control. Or rather my choice. And the knowledge I gained in that journey was that there is a mission which the Lord wants me to fulfill. I still don't know what. But unlike the blind action which my heart tells, now I can understand Lord wants me to do this. For what. Still no clue. It's a wait. Just like Hanuman. Now still action is in my control, but I know the purpose is not my benefit, but something larger and I am willing to do that action.
You will nearer to Lord or a true Bhakt when you understand or enable yourself in such a way where you even leave the action and realize that you are Lord's medium through which the change is planned. And you understand the time of change. Dusk. Hirnayakasyapu has to attack Prahlad at dusk for Narasimha avatar to happen. Prahlad does it. He knows Lord can come only for defense and defense is futile if time is not right. Prahlad was a rebel. When the whole kingdom was chanting Hiranyaya namah., this boy chanted Narayanaya Namah. Because he knew change, he knew the time has come for change and he is the medium through which change will happen. In Narasimha avatar if time was not right then all other conditions are useless. Prahlad makes his father attack him at dusk with his chant of Narayanaya namah. I don't know whether I will reach Prahlad's position of true bhakti, but as they say there is no harm in trying.
That's why I am comparing MB to Ramayana. Because understanding MB's complexities itself is tough and Ramayana is more subtle and mysterious than we think it to be. Once we understand knowledge from MB maybe we can understand Ram better. Because according to me spiritual journey can start only from Arjun. By gaining the knowledge with his humility, as kaliyug people I don't believe we have the right knowledge to understand the intend of many of Vishnu's actions if we directly take Ramayana or avatars before that.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: daydreamers


Srutha aap toh beh gayi 😃

But as u know am into ram more 😳 isliye I ges I tend to understand ram... I feel him.. But I ges won't be able to explain his character in detail..


I know. And for me it's Krishna. Together, we will have both 😛😛

But I understand Ram better after understanding Krishna. It's like Krishna opens everything at a different level for me.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@DD forgot to notice. Our second thread has crossed 100 pages and it should be celebration to the entire team who has made this thread so lively.
And really busy yaar. Taking time somehow to manage writing in this forum. Will read all your other posts when I get time.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD forgot to notice. Our second thread has crossed 100 pages and it should be celebration to the entire team who has made this thread so lively.

And really busy yaar. Taking time somehow to manage writing in this forum. Will read all your other posts when I get time.


Yeah this was pretty fast... 😃 coffee toh banti hai 😉

Take ur time..

Am toh super pissed off with life... Getting a feeling ki I'll flunk this yr 🤢
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Posted: 9 years ago
@ Shruthi, belief is something which differs from person to person and family to family. In my family, we are not allowed to keep the Geethopadesh photograph or the painting as they feel that will bring in fights between the family (brothers) though we are allowed to keep Bhagavathgeetha copy. We are not allowed to keep the photo of Kodandarama (Ram with Bow) but are allowed to keep Sriram's photo with Sita, Lakshman & hanuman for a simple reason, if we have Kodandarama photo, the head of the family will have to be on toes to face enemies or danger will be hovering over the head.
In case of Ramayan, Sam& Dana were used more and only in the end danda was used. But where as in case of MB, Bhedha was most used which resulted in Danda.
Even though Ram killed Vali to help Sugreeva, he was not fully convinced and he felt bad when Vali questioned him about the same. but Krishna never felt bad to create rift between a son and mother or between friends or between brothers. He didn't hesitate to use Kunti to save Arjun by revealing the birth truth of Karna to her and his open meeting with Karna alone created rift between Kaurava Sena.
When he realized Abhimanyu learnt more than required while he was narrating the story to Subhadhra ( about chakravyuha), he stopped narrating the story and ensured he entered the Chakravyuha by taking away Arjun from the war field so that he is not there to save his son.
When Gandhari wanted to make her son (Duryodhan's) body unbreakable (vajrakaya), he ensured Duri wear a shorts so that that covered portion of his body will left vulnerable.
The list goes on and on. So if Krishna wanted, he could have saved Abhimanyu, if he wanted to save Karna, he could have done.
The last thing about Krishna's conspiracy was in killing Bheema's second son "urdhwabahu" (Ghatothgaja's brother). He tricks him that if his father's (Pandava's) have to win the battle, he had to find an animal which as hair grown upward and his father has to sacrifice that in the battle field by end of the day. The poor guy wanders all through the jungle and exhausted will finally stop near a pond to drink some water where he sees his image and realize that Krishna meant him to be sacrificed. So he ties himself in a sack and place himself near the sacrifice place and Bhima without realizing it was his son will hit the sack so hard that the head separates from the body and places itself on the lamp post. Even then Krishna takes a promise from him that he can watch the war silently and the moment he opens his mouth, the head will break into pieces.
And about Prahlad, he was not aware that the lord whom he pray for will be furious enough to kill his father. Prahlad never thought his father was evil and has to end, all he wanted to say was that Lord Vishnu is great and is present everywhere. he was shocked beyond imagination. He never planned & plotted the muhurath for his father's death
Sorry if I have unintentionally hurt anyone's feelings (as I know many of you are devotees of Krishna and believe in him more).

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