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First of all thank you all my friends for understanding my pain on my works being copied and supporting me. Yes I have enabled copy protect for all my posts now. Not only SKR but also Dahleez. As I know for that also I am doing deep analysis. Someone will touch it. I have not come across my analysis taken in DABH forum, but EHT it was rampantly taken because I drew parallels with MB for a contemporary soap. I didn't had copy protect then, but now I have. I couldn't post for 2 days as again busy and mostly weekends will be for another couple of weeks. I watched the episodes and I have read comments in this thread also. I see most of the people are feeling bad about Sita-Lakshman. Unfortunately that is what I am loving 😆😆 . I have my own POV for it. And in Sat episode I knew why AP happened conclusively and it also had a beautiful message.
For that first let us look at the 4 pillars again. Lakshman is doing Swadharm. He is the wealth and what is his Swadharma, protection of his bhaiyya-Bhabi at any cost. It is for that Swadharma he has even given away his sleep. Now Sita is trying to obstruct his Swadharma. Or rather she is trying to interfere with his duty. First and the foremost we need to understand is we should not obstruct anyone from doing their duty. Sometimes in airport and all for security checks we have to stand in queues. I have seen people cribbing. Why cant they do fast blah blah. Security checking our bags at tourist places. Restriction placed not to take food items or handbags, cameras in certain places. When I visited Taj Mahal, there was security check and they didn't allow us to take food items inside. There was some tourist group behind me whose food items were taken and kept by security people. You know what one of the lady told once she was inside. What will they do if this place is bombed by some aeroplane. I really wanted to scream. Arrey if something happens when you are here, you will blame only these people. When they are doing their duty and it caused some inconvenience to you , you are belittling them.
Giving security is a thankless job, defense is a thankless job but remove them and in their absence you will understand the value of their presence.
How many who were crying for Afzal Guru because he was hanged, could shed tears for those 14 martrys because of whom the symbol of our democracy parliament was protected.
What Sita doing to Lakshman, is what we are doing to our soldiers, our security people and anyone dear and near who earnestly wants to protect us. Because we feel we can take care of ourselves, we don't need anyone else. Too confident.
And now what Lakshman tells. From now on I will make security in such a way so that a third party cannot enter, but you can cross.
Now that line is spoken in front of Ram. So Lakshman is giving Sita the choice. If she feels she wants to step out she can. And here is where Sita's lack of knowledge in understanding Sanskriti plays the havoc. She is given freedom, but she didn't had the knowledge to use the freedom responsibly. So it is given that Sita cannot be touched unless she comes out of the security cover. So if Ravan had to take her, she should have come out. So the question why did she come out. See when Ravan came in the dress of Sanyasi only Sita and Ravan were there. There was no third party. So the disguise was known only to her. No witness. Same with what happened to the Ayodhya girl. That she stayed with the man because of rain and nothing untoward happened between them. No proof that she didn't go with Ravan willingly.
And this is where in our life also we falters when we make the choices. Do women have the freedom. Yes. We have freedom as much as man have. But do we have the knowledge to use our freedom sensibly. Do we know the importance of visual proof for Sanskriti. If feelings is important for Prakriti, vision is important for Sanskriti. Prakriti is real, Sanskriti is illusion. Do we have the knowledge to create illusion. To vindicate ourselves. Sita making that choice is a lesson to every girl to have the knowledge on sanskriti. Can you cross Lakshman Rekha. of course you can. But learn to create Maya 😆😆😆. Yes lessons on that you can get from the vamp of saas-bahu soaps😆😆 . No I am not asking you to be vamp. But I am asking you to understand the world and then use the freewill.
Now Lanka. Beautiful and interesting. Now we are seeing Sita obstructing Lakshman's Swadharma. Why. Narayan or Lakshmi ki Leela as Mahadev tells. Look at Meghnad. He is in a room where all planets are tied. And if I remember right Ravan had kept all the planets tied in auspicious positions when Meghanad was about to be born so that no one can win over Meghanad. And see now also poor planets are obstructed doing their Swadharma. What is the Swadharma of planets. Revolving around the sun at a pace that is set by Prakriti. We see all the planets tied by Ravan except Earth. And Meghanad is controlling them. He is controlling the swadharma of the planets. Lakshman has to deal with a man who is obstructing other's swadharma, whose wife opposes his swadharma, yet he goes ahead with it.
So to make Lakshman equal to Meghnad Sita obstructs Lakshman's swadharma, make him obstruct her Swadharma that is the free flowing Prakriti. Because Meghanad, Lakshman has to be equal in every aspect and for Lakshman over and above Meghand is given by Urmila and Sumitra who supports his swadharma relentlessly, whereas Meghanad will lose out both with his mother and wife.
All of this is to ensure Lakshman takes on Meghanad Ravan's biggest defense.
It is the same thing Krishna does with Arjuna to enable him to stand in front of Karna as a equal in MB war. Because Karna is Dury's biggest defense and only Arjuna from Pandava side can take him down. And that it was a battle of unequals. Just like Meghnad, Karna was born with Kavach-kundal. Indra takes him, but is forced to give him weapon Shakti. Krishna offers Karna kingdom. He refuses and stays with Dury. But he fights. Krishna takes Arjun's dharma one step above by offering him a choice of himself without weapon. Arjuna takes the friend who is not fighting. Then of course the abhi in chakravyuh, illusion of sunset and night war, ghatolkach and Shakti going from Karna's hand. Then past catches up with Karna.
You have to see Sita, Lakshman in parallel with Meghanad and his actions to understand how she is setting him up for the final decisive battle.
Now let us see what Meghnad does. He sends Rahu-Ketu to get Hanuman. Yes their plan is ensure Hanuman follows them. What are they doing. Beautiful parallel with MB. Illusion of solar eclipse. illusion of sunset where battle changes on day 14. And once again with this illusion of solar eclipse battle lines are going to be drawn. Lanka has sounded their down death knell with this. Temporary victory and then well the time of adharma is coming to an end.
And it is beautifully shown when Hanuman after chasing sometime comes in front of Rahu-Ketu. And Rahu-Ketu just like adharmai cannot face direct battle. They run to patal fearing Hanuman. And Hanuman is going to know the truth. But then as I said temporary victory will happen. Just like idiot Jayadrath walking in direct line of fire in MB.
Meghanad is walking in direct line of fire with this planning. And when he stands at the end of Lakshman's arrow he will understand the Leela of Prakriti
Hanuman reacts for sometime, by following Rahu-Ketu but finally he acts. Imagine the scene in Lanka when Meghanad takes Hanuman to the sabha. He keeping mum and then poori Lanka ka satyanaash.
Last but not the least. The Asur ladies and kids. One beautiful question that can make anyone guilty seeing the way they are. What did my husband do to your husband. Question why did your husband and devar killed asurs when you were unaffected by them.
One of the key reasons in MB Krishna makes everyone following dharma the victims. First his parents. What does the world except from Devaki's eight born, whose parents are jailed, his 6 brothers are killed by Kamsa. He will kill Kamsa and anyone supporting Kamsa. No voice will be raised.
What did the world except from a father whose son was brutally killed by 7 people breaking all the rules of the war. Revenge cold blooded revenge in the same manner. Krishna vindicates Arjun from all the breaking of rules by Abhi death.
What did you except from a woman who is dragged and humiliated in a public court by trying to disrobe her. Fury and wrath and all round destruction. Suffering of Panchali in the hands of Kauravas.
And the vachan Ram gives Sita. He will make every effort to make peace. Krishna does the same in MB.
I cant help but admire the screenplay of SKR as I am able to compare it with MB in the action-reaction mode.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Res for now

I am like you Shruthi. I compare MB and Ramayan all the time 😆😆
Edited by TwinMadness - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Baap Re Baap Shruti
Itna Lamba Analysis , but it was beautiful😃

Main thing to think about - Did Writers think this much while planning the episode 😆😆

I highly doubt that😆😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Shivam to anyone who asks did writers think, I always say if it is not there, then how I can see it. You cant see something which is not there. Only thing is how you see it. Which perspective. And if CVs have not planned neither me nor DD would have been able to connect this much.
Somewhere we would have lost the loop. And for me I know one thing. I can feel when the script strays . I run away from that soap.
And any script that doesn't obey Newton's law of motion well you wont find me anywhere near it. That's why I don't watch many TV shows also.
As they not only challenge common sense, but they challenge physics.
Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Shivam...

Baap Re Baap Shruti

Itna Lamba Analysis , but it was beautiful😃

Main thing to think about - Did Writers think this much while planning the episode 😆😆

I highly doubt that😆😆


Exactly what I always thought 😆😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
watched the episode...
hanuman rahu ketu was more like a mario game 😆

i loved ram sita debate... absolute 👏

the way ram raises his voice and then apologizes ⭐️

savita i got one more answer today on sita's take..

i want to write so much.. sheee

see how the justification comes.. i was 👏

ram takes help of prakriti to justify sanskriti

sita takes help of prakriti to question sanskriti.

sita understands the ideal relationship between prakriti and sanskriti. like what should happen.

ram understands what and how to modify. to break without breaking. he understands what happens. and he sees what is inline with the situation. like the example of tree.

to figure out the distortions, knowledge of prakriti is imp which sita has. but i still don't think she understands sanskriti..

primarily because sita took ram towards the ideal scenario... the last scene said it...

today ram understood the ideal scene... tomorrow sita will understand of what really happens..

today ram's claim that he will give a chance to asura to correct his mistake.. it will bite back..

very interestingly both were right.. sita as vidushi and ram as kshatriya..

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: daydreamers

watched the episode...

hanuman rahu ketu was more like a mario game 😆

i loved ram sita debate... absolute 👏

the way ram raises his voice and then apologizes ⭐️

savita i got one more answer today on sita's take..

i want to write so much.. sheee

see how the justification comes.. i was 👏

ram takes help of prakriti to justify sanskriti

sita takes help of prakriti to question sanskriti.

sita understands the ideal relationship between prakriti and sanskriti. like what should happen.

ram understands what and how to modify. to break without breaking. he understands what happens. and he sees what is inline with the situation. like the example of tree.

to figure out the distortions, knowledge of prakriti is imp which sita has. but i still don't think she understands sanskriti..

primarily because sita took ram towards the ideal scenario... the last scene said it...

today ram understood the ideal scene... tomorrow sita will understand of what really happens..

today ram's claim that he will give a chance to asura to correct his mistake.. it will bite back..

very interestingly both were right.. sita as vidushi and ram as kshatriya..


@ BOLD

THE EXACT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ( IN THEORY )

AND

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN REAL WORLD ( BEING PRACTICAL )
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Posted: 9 years ago
Exactly DD. You explained that scene very well. See Ram couldn't answer Sita yesterday that he didn't kill any innocent asur. Once again proof.
Tomorrow when Lanka burns Ram can give proof, he didn't kill any innocent asur. He even takes Vibhishan an asur in his fold. That's Ram's answer with proof to Prakriti.
Actually in that women and kids lay Sanskriti's manipulation. Manipulation of doing adharm till the exist and then once they are affected cry victims.
It happens now also. Do all the mistakes and then cry forgive, forgive😡 and Sanskriti ever willing to support such people
And to the woman who asks because we are asurs our fate is like this, people forget Lord Vishnu's greatest devotee is born in Asur kul. Prahlad. He doesn't differentiate any kul. Adharmi's just need something to cry buckets.
Just like Gandhari cursing Krishna. Arrey you couldn't control your sons or their adharma, why blame Krishna
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

First of all thank you all my friends for understanding my pain on my works being copied and supporting me. Yes I have enabled copy protect for all my posts now. Not only SKR but also Dahleez. As I know for that also I am doing deep analysis. Someone will touch it. I have not come across my analysis taken in DABH forum, but EHT it was rampantly taken because I drew parallels with MB for a contemporary soap. I didn't had copy protect then, but now I have. I couldn't post for 2 days as again busy and mostly weekends will be for another couple of weeks. I watched the episodes and I have read comments in this thread also. I see most of the people are feeling bad about Sita-Lakshman. Unfortunately that is what I am loving 😆😆 . I have my own POV for it. And in Sat episode I knew why AP happened conclusively and it also had a beautiful message.

@bold same 😆
For that first let us look at the 4 pillars again. Lakshman is doing Swadharm. He is the wealth and what is his Swadharma, protection of his bhaiyya-Bhabi at any cost. It is for that Swadharma he has even given away his sleep. Now Sita is trying to obstruct his Swadharma. Or rather she is trying to interfere with his duty. First and the foremost we need to understand is we should not obstruct anyone from doing their duty. Sometimes in airport and all for security checks we have to stand in queues. I have seen people cribbing. Why cant they do fast blah blah. Security checking our bags at tourist places. Restriction placed not to take food items or handbags, cameras in certain places. When I visited Taj Mahal, there was security check and they didn't allow us to take food items inside. There was some tourist group behind me whose food items were taken and kept by security people. You know what one of the lady told once she was inside. What will they do if this place is bombed by some aeroplane. I really wanted to scream. Arrey if something happens when you are here, you will blame only these people. When they are doing their duty and it caused some inconvenience to you , you are belittling them.
Giving security is a thankless job, defense is a thankless job but remove them and in their absence you will understand the value of their presence.
How many who were crying for Afzal Guru because he was hanged, could shed tears for those 14 martrys because of whom the symbol of our democracy parliament was protected.
What Sita doing to Lakshman, is what we are doing to our soldiers, our security people and anyone dear and near who earnestly wants to protect us. Because we feel we can take care of ourselves, we don't need anyone else. Too confident.
And now what Lakshman tells. From now on I will make security in such a way so that a third party cannot enter, but you can cross.

👏 shruthi thank u for showing up... am loving sita lakshman yaar.. i loved the whole scene. and yes same thots... even i had these thots while watching the scene..😃

Now that line is spoken in front of Ram. So Lakshman is giving Sita the choice. If she feels she wants to step out she can. And here is where Sita's lack of knowledge in understanding Sanskriti plays the havoc. She is given freedom, but she didn't had the knowledge to use the freedom responsibly. So it is given that Sita cannot be touched unless she comes out of the security cover. So if Ravan had to take her, she should have come out. So the question why did she come out. See when Ravan came in the dress of Sanyasi only Sita and Ravan were there. There was no third party. So the disguise was known only to her. No witness. Same with what happened to the Ayodhya girl. That she stayed with the man because of rain and nothing untoward happened between them. No proof that she didn't go with Ravan willingly.

*whoot whoot* you know the time lakshman says that sita will be able to cross the rekha i was like bas!!!! yahi chahiye tha mujhe 😆 plus the tym when lakshman says that he fears that sometime it shouldn't be as a problem to them. and the frown on ram's face 👏 freedom is a concept of prakriti. but the "maryada" comes with sanskriti... and this knowledge of maryada and bandhan was given by sunaina.. such a contrast. janaka gave prakriti and sunaina gave sanskriti to sita. but she confided the most in janaka and this is where the friction starts. especially with gargi.. sunaina always had her share of reservations with her. gargi also dealt with sanskriti in one way or other but the gyaan sabha changeed the dynamics.. also gargi's blessings were paradox. " putri ka jeevan tapasya se kam nahi hota" " tumhara har manoraj purn ho". sita applies prakriti in sanskriti.. she believes it to be ideal but not practical. and one sees that practicality in mandavi. in this aspect even urmila is breezy...

And this is where in our life also we falters when we make the choices. Do women have the freedom. Yes. We have freedom as much as man have. But do we have the knowledge to use our freedom sensibly. Do we know the importance of visual proof for Sanskriti. If feelings is important for Prakriti, vision is important for Sanskriti. Prakriti is real, Sanskriti is illusion. Do we have the knowledge to create illusion. To vindicate ourselves. Sita making that choice is a lesson to every girl to have the knowledge on sanskriti. Can you cross Lakshman Rekha. of course you can. But learn to create Maya 😆😆😆. Yes lessons on that you can get from the vamp of saas-bahu soaps😆😆 . No I am not asking you to be vamp. But I am asking you to understand the world and then use the freewill.

@bold 😆
Now Lanka. Beautiful and interesting. Now we are seeing Sita obstructing Lakshman's Swadharma. Why. Narayan or Lakshmi ki Leela as Mahadev tells. Look at Meghnad. He is in a room where all planets are tied. And if I remember right Ravan had kept all the planets tied in auspicious positions when Meghanad was about to be born so that no one can win over Meghanad. And see now also poor planets are obstructed doing their Swadharma. What is the Swadharma of planets. Revolving around the sun at a pace that is set by Prakriti. We see all the planets tied by Ravan except Earth. And Meghanad is controlling them. He is controlling the swadharma of the planets. Lakshman has to deal with a man who is obstructing other's swadharma, whose wife opposes his swadharma, yet he goes ahead with it.
So to make Lakshman equal to Meghnad Sita obstructs Lakshman's swadharma, make him obstruct her Swadharma that is the free flowing Prakriti. Because Meghanad, Lakshman has to be equal in every aspect and for Lakshman over and above Meghand is given by Urmila and Sumitra who supports his swadharma relentlessly, whereas Meghanad will lose out both with his mother and wife.
All of this is to ensure Lakshman takes on Meghanad Ravan's biggest defense.

one word WOW!!!! 👏
It is the same thing Krishna does with Arjuna to enable him to stand in front of Karna as a equal in MB war. Because Karna is Dury's biggest defense and only Arjuna from Pandava side can take him down. And that it was a battle of unequals. Just like Meghnad, Karna was born with Kavach-kundal. Indra takes him, but is forced to give him weapon Shakti. Krishna offers Karna kingdom. He refuses and stays with Dury. But he fights. Krishna takes Arjun's dharma one step above by offering him a choice of himself without weapon. Arjuna takes the friend who is not fighting. Then of course the abhi in chakravyuh, illusion of sunset and night war, ghatolkach and Shakti going from Karna's hand. Then past catches up with Karna.
You have to see Sita, Lakshman in parallel with Meghanad and his actions to understand how she is setting him up for the final decisive battle.

am loving the whole thing...😳
Now let us see what Meghnad does. He sends Rahu-Ketu to get Hanuman. Yes their plan is ensure Hanuman follows them. What are they doing. Beautiful parallel with MB. Illusion of solar eclipse. illusion of sunset where battle changes on day 14. And once again with this illusion of solar eclipse battle lines are going to be drawn. Lanka has sounded their down death knell with this. Temporary victory and then well the time of adharma is coming to an end.

@bold haarkar jeetne wale ko baazigar kehte hai.
And it is beautifully shown when Hanuman after chasing sometime comes in front of Rahu-Ketu. And Rahu-Ketu just like adharmai cannot face direct battle. They run to patal fearing Hanuman. And Hanuman is going to know the truth. But then as I said temporary victory will happen. Just like idiot Jayadrath walking in direct line of fire in MB.
Meghanad is walking in direct line of fire with this planning. And when he stands at the end of Lakshman's arrow he will understand the Leela of Prakriti
Hanuman reacts for sometime, by following Rahu-Ketu but finally he acts. Imagine the scene in Lanka when Meghanad takes Hanuman to the sabha. He keeping mum and then poori Lanka ka satyanaash.

@bold absolute
Last but not the least. The Asur ladies and kids. One beautiful question that can make anyone guilty seeing the way they are. What did my husband do to your husband. Question why did your husband and devar killed asurs when you were unaffected by them.
One of the key reasons in MB Krishna makes everyone following dharma the victims. First his parents. What does the world except from Devaki's eight born, whose parents are jailed, his 6 brothers are killed by Kamsa. He will kill Kamsa and anyone supporting Kamsa. No voice will be raised.
What did the world except from a father whose son was brutally killed by 7 people breaking all the rules of the war. Revenge cold blooded revenge in the same manner. Krishna vindicates Arjun from all the breaking of rules by Abhi death.
What did you except from a woman who is dragged and humiliated in a public court by trying to disrobe her. Fury and wrath and all round destruction. Suffering of Panchali in the hands of Kauravas.
And the vachan Ram gives Sita. He will make every effort to make peace. Krishna does the same in MB.
I cant help but admire the screenplay of SKR as I am able to compare it with MB in the action-reaction mode.

shruthi i loved those scenes.. and related with MB also... i guess hum do hi pagal hai who are loving the writing 😆


so u r watching dahleez.. i had this feeling that asad will be framed as a terrorist. that yash guy is sure to spoil.. plus suhasini ke new plans... these will merge and a big satyanaas is on the way... my only qualm MIL is becoming typical..
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Exactly DD. You explained that scene very well. See Ram couldn't answer Sita yesterday that he didn't kill any innocent asur. Once again proof.

Tomorrow when Lanka burns Ram can give proof, he didn't kill any innocent asur. He even takes Vibhishan an asur in his fold. That's Ram's answer with proof to Prakriti.
Actually in that women and kids lay Sanskriti's manipulation. Manipulation of doing adharm till the exist and then once they are affected cry victims.
It happens now also. Do all the mistakes and then cry forgive, forgive😡 and Sanskriti ever willing to support such people
And to the woman who asks because we are asurs our fate is like this, people forget Lord Vishnu's greatest devotee is born in Asur kul. Prahlad. He doesn't differentiate any kul. Adharmi's just need something to cry buckets.
Just like Gandhari cursing Krishna. Arrey you couldn't control your sons or their adharma, why blame Krishna


am still on this... sita doesn't understand sanskriti 😆

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