Thin Line between being Independent or Idiotic - Page 4

Originally posted by: ritzbitz786

I also have a positive feeling about MauHaan. And I 101% agree about the chemistry thing.

The reason Maunal had chemistry (which I assume is people saying romantic scenes) is because the context was a couple deeply in love, while married.

This was to set up the plot, and also character sketch wise, that is just how Mauli is. She's into marriage and the sanctity of it. In fact, if they showed too much romance between her and Ishaan, I would question if this is even "our" Mauli. She has morals and values. She won't go over-frolicking with someone whose not yet her husband.

She is having a neutral tone I agree, which I can understand why some are saying she has a lack of chemistry etc., but they are failing to overlook how happy she was at the Haldi yesterday. And in episodes where she is shown to be uncomfortable, it's because Sandhya is there. With Ishaan she's 100% comfortable.

But at this point, we are preaching to the choir.

Everyone will have their different opinions and analysis of the situations, characters and storylines.

In fact, this forum should even discuss them in a healthy manner. It's an avenue for all of us to share our excitement in the show.

But to put an "Lol" emoticon in reply to someone else's opinion is straight up rude.

This whole MauHaan/Maunal shouldn't be some kind of war, where the other side is demeaned/laughed at or even where if we don't get our way with the endgame/couple we rather the whole show just shut down (basically an adult tantrum. Similar to how 6 year old Mishti threw one when she found out that MauHaan are not getting married).

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

You can't show chemistry, it's something that clicks, it has been ages since last Maunal romantic scene but Aditi and Shakti are not limited by romantic scenes, the impact they have in every scene is something else.. When Kunal hugged Mauli in the hospital the impact was of next level, even though if you look at the scene, Mauli didn't hug him back, but her smile when he called her name then his expressions when he hugged her created an amazing environment...

Writer is not giving anyone romantic scenes, it's not only actors but characters too, Maunal have a history, whatever they do with each other is anticipated, loved or hated with intensity...

Ishaan as a character is completely bland, Mishti and Pari came with him and their characters have been explored nicely, audience reacts to their actions, I react to Pari and Mishti's words, even Sandhya is a successful grey character now, she gets reactions from audience too

Ishaan's dialogues, his scenes do not elicit any kind of response in me, Mauli's reaction on Ishaan's dialogues makes me react to it

If it is to keep the endgame under wrap then the writer is stupid, I have said it that we need an insight on Ishaan's past, this show is about EMA, it's not Mauli and his love story and even if it was his and Mauli's love story, to be honest it is a snooze fest, anyway they could have connected Ishaan with the whole EMA theme, his girlfriend could have cheated on him or his sister could have committed suicide due to infidelity, this gives him an entry to the whole scenario

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

You can't show chemistry, it's something that clicks, it has been ages since last Maunal romantic scene but Aditi and Shakti are not limited by romantic scenes, the impact they have in every scene is something else.. When Kunal hugged Mauli in the hospital the impact was of next level, even though if you look at the scene, Mauli didn't hug him back, but her smile when he called her name then his expressions when he hugged her created an amazing environment...

Writer is not giving anyone romantic scenes, it's not only actors but characters too, Maunal have a history, whatever they do with each other is anticipated, loved or hated with intensity...

Ishaan as a character is completely bland, Mishti and Pari came with him and their characters have been explored nicely, audience reacts to their actions, I react to Pari and Mishti's words, even Sandhya is a successful grey character now, she gets reactions from audience too

Ishaan's dialogues, his scenes do not elicit any kind of response in me, Mauli's reaction on Ishaan's dialogues makes me react to it

If it is to keep the endgame under wrap then the writer is stupid, I have said it that we need an insight on Ishaan's past, this show is about EMA, it's not Mauli and his love story and even if it was his and Mauli's love story, to be honest it is a snooze fest, anyway they could have connected Ishaan with the whole EMA theme, his girlfriend could have cheated on him or his sister could have committed suicide due to infidelity, this gives him an entry to the whole scenario

Originally posted by: ritzbitz786

My perception of the show is it is about EMA's, what leads to them, how it affects peoples lives, etc. I don't think it is meant to be about Mauli and Kunal's love story at all. The title itself is Silsila Badalte Rishton Ka. Meaning it's main theme is geared towards the change in relationships and how they evolve. Sure it may have began as Maunal's love story, but that doesn't mean that is the whole point behind the show or that the two main characters must always be protagonists/in the same screen/end up together.

Right now, the show should be about Mauli (though it seems to be Kunal-centric, but I digress).

People who are still following the show post-leap, after the whole EMA controversy in the news and wanting it to go off air, etc. are watching it as Mauli's story.

There is a small fraction who are perhaps watching it for passionate scenes, Shaditi, chemistry, so on.

Others are watching it to see the characters and how the story and these characters lives unfold. It is great if the actors that bring these characters to life are as cute/popular as Shakti. But the show does not (and should not) rest on that at all. Aditi is a fine example of this. She has 200K IG followers vs. DD who has followers in the millions. Yet still, the audience was more sympathetic towards Mauli rather than Nandini, and the show went on without DD. In fact, Aditi got nominated at ITA for best actress. If this doesn't prove people are watching it for the storyline and characters rather than how cute Shakti is, how well Shaditi pair, which actor has more of a fan fallowing, or chemistry, then I don't know what does.

As far not being able to "show" chemistry, I completely disagree with that. A recurrent theme amongst Maunal shippers is wanting more romantic scenes between Maunal (Kunal calling Mauli jaana again, or being "naughty" again, etc.). This actually proves that the "chemistry" which they are talking about and want is indeed a "shown" chemistry. The pleasure of viewing romantic scenes/Maunal chemistry that has been created in some viewers mind is actually what is leading them to want a Maunal ending (what you wrote above as history - it's the physical history. Not the character/dialogue history. Because in the character/dialogue/storyline history - Kunal was the ultimate jerk to Mauli and cheated on her). It is what is creating this whole bias to begin with, not the characters or the dialogues. The smile you mentioned Mauli had for Kunal during his hug was indeed cheek to cheek. But it wasn't any less during some scenes of the haldi. But the reason the haldi smile of Mauli's is not eliciting a response is because of the bias, which I have explained above.

If some viewers were actually taking characters/their qualities and dialogues into consideration, the obvious bias here should be towards Ishaan. Why? Because he respects Mauli, stands by her decisions, told Dida/Mama he will be their son always, plays with Mishti and understands her, etc. Yes, he hasn't had the best character development or enough dialogues, but he has had enough for the viewers to form an opinion that he is an upstanding guy.

So yeah, that is just my two cents that romantic scenes and all are secondary to what is happening in the story and that chemistry should not be defined as or limited to how good a couple looks on screen/their amount of PDA.

Regarding impact in scenes/Ishaan's dialogues not eliciting any response etc., again, I think that is a combination of poor character development/writing on the CVs part, a need to keep the tone neutral and the audience on the edge of their seat until the very end, and again, a bias that the first few episodes of the serial created in the minds of viewers - especially those who gravitate towards romantic scenes and think that excessive PDA is what proves a couple is made for each other. Ironically, that still didn't save the Maunal marriage.

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Everyone is watching for the story, and people who want Maunal is not a small fraction, in this very forum where MauHaan got 65 votes, Maunal got more than 50 votes, the bias is obviously towards Ishaan, even after his character is so poorly written, it's not love for his character but hatred for Kunal in my opinion but when the difference of votes is 15, how is it a small fraction?

Chemistry can't be shown, for example when Ishaan pinned Mauli on the walla after she refused to marry him, did anyone feel the same intensity as they feel during Maunal confrontation scenes? LMAO writer uses these confrontation scenes to calm down viewers

PS : I am going to ignore how you reduced Shakti to a cute face, when he has given amazing performance as an actor on this show

Originally posted by: ritzbitz786

He has given an amazing performance. I never said he didn't. His cute face was in the context of Maunal shippers. They certainly aren't shipping him and Mauli off of dialogues and characters because if they were, Kunal has done so many horrible things and said so many horrible things. They are shipping based off a bias that the PDA in the first few episodes created, and how Shaditi are two good looking individuals who look good together, which has now been termed "chemistry."

As far as the pinning on the wall scene and confrontation scenes, I don't know what you watch confrontation scenes as, but I don't want watch them for the romance or intensity or sexuality. I watch them as what they are, confrontation scenes. I want to hear the dialogues exchanged and what was said. Not the passion that the couple is oozing towards one another. Just the fact that you mentioned that there is more chemistry in confrontation scenes between Mauli-Kunal, truly does show that there is a fraction of viewers of the show who just want them in the same scene/frame and to see chemistry in scenes which aren't even chemistry based. They aren't watching the scene for what it is, what it is conveying. All they can see is the passion these two characters have towards one another, which often times isn't even there in the scene, but it all comes back to that PDA bias established in the first few episodes.

It's like Mauli could be saying "I hate you Kunal" but shippers won't take it at face value and be like "OMG did you see that chemistry. It was so passionate. It was so obvious she was lusting for him."

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Kunal has done and said a lot and everyone has dissed him a lot, he has been through a lot as well, can you imagine frame of mind of a father who is trying to smile even though he was shot because his 4 years old daughter is standing there watching him die?

If Nandini was the love of his life then can you imagine someone living and taking care of his daughter thinking that his love can die any day? He had been through enough and now that Mauli is happy in her life, why should he be miserable? He has a life too, yes, cheating was wrong but cheating ki saja death hai kya? He has apologized many times, If Mauli can't forgive him, even though she is all set to marry someone else, what do you expect Kunal to do?

Anyway, my point wasn't "Why people like Maunal?" my point was that chemistry can't be shown, because chemistry between Shaditi is not dependent upon romantic scenes, they have chemistry in each and every scene...

Maunal shippers analyze all the scenes as well as you do, may be you think they are not as adequate as you but don't disregard them as bunch of hypers who are just watching show to see passion or romance, if they want romance they can watch old episodes on repeat mode, they are watching for natural progression of their story

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Kunal has done and said a lot and everyone has dissed him a lot, he has been through a lot as well, can you imagine frame of mind of a father who is trying to smile even though he was shot because his 4 years old daughter is standing there watching him die?

If Nandini was the love of his life then can you imagine someone living and taking care of his daughter thinking that his love can die any day? He had been through enough and now that Mauli is happy in her life, why should he be miserable? He has a life too, yes, cheating was wrong but cheating ki saja death hai kya? He has apologized many times, If Mauli can't forgive him, even though she is all set to marry someone else, what do you expect Kunal to do?

Anyway, my point wasn't "Why people like Maunal?" my point was that chemistry can't be shown, because chemistry between Shaditi is not dependent upon romantic scenes, they have chemistry in each and every scene...

Maunal shippers analyze all the scenes as well as you do, may be you think they are not as adequate as you but don't disregard them as bunch of hypers who are just watching show to see passion or romance, if they want romance they can watch old episodes on repeat mode, they are watching for natural progression of their story

Originally posted by: looseseal

How is this even relevant? For MouNal I mean. Just because someone has been through a lot doesn't make them a good person. Nandini also had bad marriage then I guess Kunal was great man for bedding a troubled woman.

Noone is saying Kunal deserves to live in sadness all his life. If Mouli needs to move on then Kunal also has the right to move on. Point is Kunal betrayed Mouli, Muli was broken by his him not once but time and time again. And Mouli can't trust Kunal because of what he did to her, Kunal's own pain, his own journey has nothing to do with her. Kunal can find someone else to love, someone who hasn't been wronged by him.

As far as chemistry is concerned: you yourself said that everyone is watching for the story. So chemistry shouldn't even matter. Character can't be with the wrong person on basis of how sexily they can pin you against the wall.