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Posted: 14 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: cute2stay

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Yeah, I guess the third person thing will be the next 'push' for IS. *sigh* Somehow I would like there to be more development with the IS story before that. Seems like a third person track is something you add when you're all out of ideas or something...lol Doesn't give me a good feeling somehow...

I am with you. I am not too fond of a third person coming to make suhaana realise her feelings plot would have been fine ith that plot if i had seen a strong bond already established between IS and feel that suahana loves ishaan but has not aknowledged it. But i havent got that feeling from the way they have developed it so far so am not happy with the jealousy track.
Had they shown suhaana want to confide in ishaan when she had faced one of the most significant events in her life and had sought comfort in his company then I would have agreed that she has unconsciously come to care for him, he holds a special place in her life but she hasnt realised it arguments. Not that only this would have convinced me that but any other situation where they would have SHOWN the importance ishaan holds in suhaana's life.
As things stand now and the way suhaana relationship with various members of he family has been established, depending on what we have SEEN in the serial, i feel if the new girl gets more attention from Badi Maa THEN suhaana will be furious than ishaan paying that girl any attention.
The new girl plot is like some deus ex machina
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: minu_8

I am with you. I am not too fond of a third person coming to make suhaana realise her feelings plot would have been fine ith that plot if i had seen a strong bond already established between IS and feel that suahana loves ishaan but has not aknowledged it. But i havent got that feeling from the way they have developed it so far so am not happy with the jealousy track.
Had they shown suhaana want to confide in ishaan when she had faced one of the most significant events in her life and had sought comfort in his company then I would have agreed that she has unconsciously come to care for him, he holds a special place in her life but she hasnt realised it arguments. Not that only this would have convinced me that but any other situation where they would have SHOWN the importance ishaan holds in suhaana's life.
As things stand now and the way suhaana relationship with various members of he family has been established, depending on what we have SEEN in the serial, i feel if the new girl gets more attention from Badi Maa THEN suhaana will be furious than ishaan paying that girl any attention.
The new girl plot is like some deus ex machina


@minu_8...yaar, i really din't understand what you said last? what is that machine? 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@minu_8...yaar, i really din't understand what you said last? what is that machine? 😊
You can call me Minu or Meenu Smile
deus ex machina is a plot device employed in fiction where a new character is suddenly introduced to solve a difficlt situation instead of relying on better written logical solutions.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Exactly Pallo.....as of now, Ishaan has just started looking like a spectator in Suhana's life....pata nahin kyun but aaj kal toh he's started looking out of place....Suhana's bond with the family has been strengthened perfectly....but crucial moments like this are the ones meant to build the connection b/w IS...but what does Ishaan do?? He's busy bragging to everyone smugly about how he's taking Suhana out?? Woh bhi after Badi Maa TOLD him? Khud kya soch raha hai tab se? Yes everyone wants to see Suhana happy again but why don't you TALK to her about this matter rather than try to incite her into one of her tantrums just to take her mind off things?? I want IS to TALK!!!!!

And honestly I have to agree that these days certain gestures in Jay's acting have started to annoy me as well.....he's overdoing it and it's started to look put on....like you pointed out, he doesn't bring much extra to the table unless he gets great written material....which he isn't these days so the cracks are showing.....the way he was laughing happily behind Suhana in glee when she was ranting at the manager seriously looked WEIRD to me😕


Good point! Ishaan toh didn't even come up with the IDEA of taking Suhana out...:S 😆 Seriously WHAT is his role exactly?? And o mann that 'bragging' or whatever he was doing...uhh I'd rather not comment on that....:S

He's such a spectator these days, that's SO totally the right word! He's kind of just fading out into the background amongst all the family members. :S Which is weird because he's kind of the most important person in Suhana's life!

Seriously, how are we supposed to be convinced that these two are a 'couple' and Suhana will fall in love when they can't even TALK about something like this to each other?? I just feel like, if they keep putting Ishaan in the backseat like this, then whenever Suhana DOES fall in love, it just won't be convincing. And since the show is heading that way, I feel like we need to see even MORE such moments between IS you know? It seems like earlier on they've had moments where Suhana is closer to falling in love than now. Seems like they're heading farther away from falling in love instead of the other way round...:S I don't know...it's weird.

And I so know what you mean about Suhana and the rest of the family members too. I have no complaints about that. The way they've shown her relationship with everyone else has been awesome! But why not the same treatment with Ishaan?? :S Is he not a part of her life for God's sakes?!?!

And it just bugs me completely ki how significant this was!! Suhana was FINALLY admitting that she's always living in her world and all!! How can you not build up on that!! Ishaan DEF. needed to be a part of this!! It just seems way too significant to waste! I don't think I can accept that at all!

About Jai's acting- agreed! I seriously feel like punching him in the face or something when he makes those RIDICULOUS se expressions sometimes! And sometimes the way he's looking at Suhana and making those "cute" type expressions...ughh *shudders*...really puts me off!! Makes me CONVINCED that he's such a champu!

Earlier on, Ishaan used to hold his own amongst all the characters. Remember when he used to be all, "main aissa hi hoon", "don't try to change me" and all? Where did that confidence go?

More than anything, I just miss the way he used to GET Suhana! He could make her cry and make her laugh at once! We could see how these two would work out! Right now I'm just not convinced!

I just don't get HOW Suhana can possibly fall in love with this guy you know?? :S 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: cute2stay

About Jai's acting- agreed! I seriously feel like punching him in the face or something when he makes those RIDICULOUS se expressions sometimes! And sometimes the way he's looking at Suhana and making those "cute" type expressions...ughh *shudders*...really puts me off!! Makes me CONVINCED that he's such a champu!

I soo agree with this. I dont know about others but there is this one expression of his when he is staring at suhana which i hate..
its when he says somehitng that makes suhana laugh and she starts laughing hysterically looking elsewhere and then ishaan kind of bends his head, purses his lips. raises his eyes or eybrow and smiles and stares at her... it always makes me cringe..
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Posted: 14 years ago
#26

Originally posted by: cute2stay


Seriously, how are we supposed to be convinced that these two are a 'couple' and Suhana will fall in love when they can't even TALK about something like this to each other?? I just feel like, if they keep putting Ishaan in the backseat like this, then whenever Suhana DOES fall in love, it just won't be convincing. And since the show is heading that way, I feel like we need to see even MORE such moments between IS you know? It seems like earlier on they've had moments where Suhana is closer to falling in love than now. Eggjactly, Eggjactly....*nods vehmently*....I mean if we go back and watch earlier IS scenes now, we can see the difference....at this point their relationship is supposed to be moving FURTHER ahead....instead they seem to have stepped back or basically Suhana's brain has gone into stagnant mode and Ishaan is also stuck in the rut of doing his standard 2-4 "cute" expressions.


About Jai's acting- agreed! I seriously feel like punching him in the face or something when he makes those RIDICULOUS se expressions sometimes! And sometimes the way he's looking at Suhana and making those "cute" type expressions...ughh *shudders*...really puts me off!! Makes me CONVINCED that he's such a champu! LMAOOOOOOOOOO🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I TOTALLY understand your feelings on this matter....those expressions are QUITE cringe-inducing especially when they are out of place like they were today.

Earlier on, Ishaan used to hold his own amongst all the characters. Remember when he used to be all, "main aissa hi hoon", "don't try to change me" and all? Where did that confidence go? That confidence comes and goes yaar😆.....see it was a bit there in the jail scene we all last liked....since then the dude's back in major champu mode with his scooter scenes and all....uske baad kuch dhang ka kiya toh hai nahin usne....other than today's 'cheering up attempt'😆😆

More than anything, I just miss the way he used to GET Suhana! He could make her cry and make her laugh at once! We could see how these two would work out! Right now I'm just not convinced!

I just don't get HOW Suhana can possibly fall in love with this guy you know?? :S 😆 That's it in a nutshell....I'm starting to get more and more skeptical about the credibility of these two as a couple....and no, a random third chick showing up to make Suhana all jealous is not going to magically convince me overnight either.....Ishaan is being reduced to a joker champu and his relationship with Suhana is NOT being given the required depth it NEEDS to at this point.....

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: crysind

From my point of view, today they only concentrated on cheering up Suhana, nothing else. So as a sample dose, I think today's IS scene was more than enough. So I felt Ok with that. Yes, they could have made it in a more energetic way too...


Regarding Badima telling Suhana to hide truth, here I go with Badima because I also have same feeling that Suhana shouldn't disclose this to anyone else even to Ishaan. As myvoice told above, Badima thinks about the whole family and if Suhana is this much hurt about RB story, then we can imagine how others including Ishaan will react. Kashyap family will be like "dead". I believe that there are some truths which should be kept secret if it is good for other, because i don't think saying story of RB to Ishaan and others in Kahsyap parivaar will give an happiness to that family....rather that will hurt RB more because everyone will start look at her with sympathy which i dont think is right...

In case of Sushaan, me too eagerly waiting for their heart-heart convo, but i still believe that CVs now completely concentrating on Suhana's transition from "Bajpayi" to "Kashyap"... wherever Suhanna needed Ishaan, they showed him there as a strong husband, atleast officially... making her understand that you have to become good bahu, you did wrong with Rajni bhabhi and etc... so i will say for a character like Suhana, a good husband should be one who stands behind and direct his wife in the right path... because am sure one day Suhana will step backward and join her official husband with heart full of love....


I'm sorry but I don't agree.

First of all, your whole point in red is flawed in my opinion. I think the main thing about this show that I love the most is the fact that the family solves their problems TOGETHER!

And a great example of this we have just seen with the RB and Deepak track. Have we not just witnessed how SHARING truths, letting people INTO your lives can make you closer? Doesn't it make your love GROW for that person? That's what I believe in and my belief has only been strengthened by this show all along.

So why can't the same thing be applied to IS? I so don't agree that Kashyap family will be 'dead' if the truth is revealed to everyone. They will actually be able to UNDERSTAND RB better! They will be able to SHARE her pain! And the more you share you sorrows in my opinion, the lesser they get. What's the point of a FAMILY if you're going to keep secrets like that to yourself?

And same goes for IS too. The more Suhana will let Ishaan IN, the closer they will get. Ishaan should've in my opinion atleast ATTEMPTED to figure out what exactly was bugging Suhana so much. How can you just cheer up someone pointlessly without even KNOWING what the problem is :S What kind of a 'solution' to a problem is that? :S

@ blue: How exactly was Ishaan "directing [Suhana] to the right path" in this scene? How was he supporting her? It's like he didn't even CARE what her ACTUAL problem was! It was like ok bhai, chalo let's just cheer her up kaam khatam? :S I mean jeez, what if I don't WANT to be cheered up dude? What if I want to TALK about what I've just gone through with someone? What if I need to pour out my heart and soul to someone?? Shouldn't my HUSBAND be there for me in that case?

Cheering up toh bahut door ki baat hai bhai...pehle PROBLEM toh sun lo!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: minu_8

I am with you. I am not too fond of a third person coming to make suhaana realise her feelings plot would have been fine ith that plot if i had seen a strong bond already established between IS and feel that suahana loves ishaan but has not aknowledged it. But i havent got that feeling from the way they have developed it so far so am not happy with the jealousy track.
Had they shown suhaana want to confide in ishaan when she had faced one of the most significant events in her life and had sought comfort in his company then I would have agreed that she has unconsciously come to care for him, he holds a special place in her life but she hasnt realised it arguments. Not that only this would have convinced me that but any other situation where they would have SHOWN the importance ishaan holds in suhaana's life.
As things stand now and the way suhaana relationship with various members of he family has been established, depending on what we have SEEN in the serial, i feel if the new girl gets more attention from Badi Maa THEN suhaana will be furious than ishaan paying that girl any attention.
The new girl plot is like some deus ex machina

Totally agree with you. There should be a natural progression. Not that a third person will come and Suhana will be jealous. How can that be possible. Like the time when Inder Elesh told her abt Ishaan's gf during Rajini - Disha track, she was actually pleased. I dont think anything has happened from that moment to make Suhana realize that she loves Ishaan.
She just grew more fond of the family and badima in particular. I would have loved to see her bonding with Ishaan like they showed wirh Badi ma.....
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: minu_8

I am with you. I am not too fond of a third person coming to make suhaana realise her feelings plot would have been fine ith that plot if i had seen a strong bond already established between IS and feel that suahana loves ishaan but has not aknowledged it. But i havent got that feeling from the way they have developed it so far so am not happy with the jealousy track.
Had they shown suhaana want to confide in ishaan when she had faced one of the most significant events in her life and had sought comfort in his company then I would have agreed that she has unconsciously come to care for him, he holds a special place in her life but she hasnt realised it arguments. Not that only this would have convinced me that but any other situation where they would have SHOWN the importance ishaan holds in suhaana's life.
As things stand now and the way suhaana relationship with various members of he family has been established, depending on what we have SEEN in the serial, i feel if the new girl gets more attention from Badi Maa THEN suhaana will be furious than ishaan paying that girl any attention.
The new girl plot is like some deus ex machina


100% agree!

I am very skeptical about this third person angle too. Yeah, like you said, if Suhana already HAD feelings for Ishaan, then toh the jealousy angle would've made sense...but right now MAN she's not even CLOSE! :S 😆 Door door tak bhi I can't imagine these two as a couple yet....how is simply bringing a third person going to fix that?

Yeah, EXACTLY! IF we had seen moments between them where ONLY Ishaan would get through to Suhana and really you know CONVINCE us that he holds a special place in her heart, then yeah it would all make sense.

LMAO at Suhana would be more jealous of Badi ma than Ishaan! 🤣 That is SO spot on! That's EXACTLY it!! Badi ma seems to be the only person in Suhana's life who really understands her at this point...Ishaan ka toh koi role hi nahin hai! :S 😆

Ishaan seriously needs to be like WAYYY more important for Suhana. He needs to hold that special place like you said. We need to see moments where ONLY Ishaan could've understood Suhana and been there for her like no one else! Tab jaake kuch baat bane yaar! 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: minu_8

I soo agree with this. I dont know about others but there is this one expression of his when he is staring at suhana which i hate..
its when he says somehitng that makes suhana laugh and she starts laughing hysterically looking elsewhere and then ishaan kind of bends his head, purses his lips. raises his eyes or eybrow and smiles and stares at her... it always makes me cringe..


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OMG you just KILLED me with this description right here!! 🤣🤣🤣

That's EXACTLY the expression I was talking about too! 🤣🤣🤣

O Goddd!! 🤣 Seriously I DESPISE that stupid bhondu-face expression SOOO much!! Ughhh!

Jee karta hai KASS ke ek chanta lagaun Ishaan ke moon pe! 😡 😆
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