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Posted: 15 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

Charity begins at home....you are indeed noble and selfless Pallavi..
actually, its very difficult to cross your family boundaries and do greater good, because if every person can keep their own family happy, then the whole world will be a better place to live. A family person who along with the family can do some service to the society is the best option....
Like Raja Janak, he was called "Rajarshi" (Raja + RISHI), he had qualities of both a family man as well as a rishi..his contributions to the society as well as his family is immense...he did justice to both

Thanks, Bani. This is for you 🤗
First of all, great to see u here. It is really a joy to read your views and analysis which are filled with maturity and wisdom. The credit goes to your mom for instilling such values from the begining. Even I try to teach my son such values as otherwise, I feel he will be lost in this competitive world.
And you are absolutely right about we gaining something in return from our charitable work towards society. Apart from character development and widening our horizons, we gain happiness too. Thats why I highlighted earlier that through self-less love one's SELF will be happy. If some one doesnt gain happiness, then I feel it is not self-less love but just a "majboori".
Hope to see you in this fourm more often.
Before I conclude, Just loved those wordings of Vivekananda which u have put it as signature (signature only right? dont know what it is called in IF).
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Posted: 15 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

@ Pallavi :

Your are absolutely right. There is nothing wrong in the path you are in. Whatever you are doing is totally right and practical, and you will definitely reach the next level very soon. Its always better to take one step at a time. At this level if you try to jump to the next level, u wont be able to do justice to both levels.

Actually to analyse why some people have hardly any desires and are easily willing to sacrifice normal worldly pleasures, again we have to bring in spirituality here 😆. We take birth to finish off our karmas and fulfil various desires. As we keep taking birth after birth, we finish off various desires of ours and are clean of those desires in the subsequent births. Thus as the level of our spirituality increases, our level of desires keep reducing, and our level of awareness, understanding, self-realisation, selflessness and maturity increases. In short, importance for physical and materialistic needs reduces. Thus we can easily say, only someone who is at higher spiritual level can think of being selfless or desire less, so as to sacrifice worldly pleasures.
So as far as we are concerned, we are all in a journey on the path of spirituality and are still not done with our agenda of worldly responsibilties and pleasures. There is a mission behind our birth, without any reason we wouldn't be born. So since we are born to finish a particular agenda, that is exactly what we should do. So each person behaves according to his/her level of existence. And there is nothing wrong in it 😊.
And in between trying to fulfill our agenda, we must try to live life in the most righteous manner and help others as much as possible. Even if we are not able to be selfless, atleast we should try not to do wrong to anyone. If we can do that, I think that is more than enough for the time being 😉.
And regarding Maslow, wow yaar, we are true students doing justice to our degrees 😆! In our routine conversations we are using Maslow and all 😆. Now other members in the forum will think highly of us, they will think we are such high funda people 😃.
Lets do one thing, lets go to all topics and irritate the topic starter by analyzing each topic of Suhana from Maslow's and Herzberg's theory point of view 🤣. Am sure eventually Mods will send us a warning and ban us henceforth from using any THEORIES in the forum 🤣!

But these theories fit into the topic right? Ishan-Suhana's love is in the first level (psychological) of Maslow's hierarchy of needs 😆 They still need to go step by step to reach the final level.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Arre yaar, what heavy duty lectures have I written, am sure I would have 'bhagaod' many members from this post 😆!
Poor Laxmi, she has stopped commenting. I think she got bored reading our long lectures . Am sure Laxmi would have disowned this topic long back, aise hi humein happy rakhne ke liye kabhi kabaar aake 'like' button click karke chali jaathi hogi 😆.
Yeh topic 'roti' se shuru hoke 'karma' thak pohunch gayi. Atleast 'kurma' hote tho roti ke saat kuch tho connection hota 🤣!

Dont tell me about Laxmi's "LIKE" buttons 😆 That shows she is really sweet and doesnt want to hurt anyone.
Roti & Kurma both are related to Karma. So we havent gone out of the topic 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
#74
lolzz yeah
roti ka kamaal
kar gaya dhamaal😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Very well said 👏. What you said is true about selfless act. Actually what I meant was the ultimate level of selflessness, where you rise beyond yourself and family and act for the welfare of the society.
Actually in spirituality they say there are 3 levels of human actions :
- 1st level where the person is totally self-centered and only thinks about himself / herself and not even about his/her own family members.
- 2nd level where the person is concerned about his/her family members and relatives along with himself/herself, but not much bothered about society.
- 3rd level where the person is beyond much concern for themselves, and is able to incorporate concern for society as well. It can include social services, charity, being associated with other environmental concerns like global warming, animal injustice, protection of wildlife, etc.
So basically, the 2nd and 3rd level consists of selfless acts. In today's world, most human beings would be in the 1st & 2nd levels, and there might be fewer people in the 3rd level.
Regarding Maslow's theory, oh God I remember learning this answer at almost every juncture, from 11th std to my MBA, and now that answer is byheart for me 😆! Regarding Maslow's needs, every human being has these needs, be it Mother Teresa or Gandhi Ji. Like for example, physiological needs like food, clothing and shelter needs to be fulfilled for every human being. Similar is the case with security, social & self-esteem needs. But the only difference is that, such people cross the bottom 4 levels faster than normal people as these needs of theirs might be very limited due to which they get easily fulfilled. So they are able to reach the ultimate level very quickly. But unfortunately for normal people, the lower levels are more difficult to fulfil bcos their desires and its extent is very high. So normal people spend lot of time at the bottom levels.
As you mentioned about people who start doing social services once they are free from their domestic responsibilties, I think that is the most practical option available as a person's prime responsibility is towards his/her family, even before society, as it is his/her dharma. We have certain responsibilities (dharma) towards our family members. Like if am a wife and a mother, my primary duty is towards my husband and kids. So sometimes one might be so busy with their duties and responsibilities, it might not be possible to even think about anything beyond it. But that doesn't mean they may not want to do something for the society, but due to their busy schedule, they might have time and money constraints. But once they are free from all their responsibilities, they might be able to direct their resources (time, money and efforts) for such causes.
My mother always says, once she gets me and my sister married off, she would want to sponsor 1 or 2 orphaned girl's education. Maybe she would have had this desire inside her since long, but when you have a family, it has its own monetary requirements like education of own children, marriage, etc., due to which such things may not be practical at that time.
I have heard stories of men who left their wives and small kids and went for 'sanyasam', and the poor wife is working as servant in other people's houses to earn money and take care of herself and her kids. My mom says, what is the use of going for 'sanyasam' like this when his services are needed most by his wife and children. If you cant take care of your own family, how will you take care of the society? Without fulfilling your dharma, what spirituality?
Spirituality doesn't mean you forget your dharma. That would also amount to selfishness. Infact I feel some people use spirituality as an excuse for escapism.
And definitely, even if one is not able to be selfless towards society, being selfless towards your family is also very noble, as in todays world I have seen lot of them who just care about themselves, and very less for their family in the name of career and 'enjoying life'. And my mom is also a totally self-less character towards her family and relatives. But when we were small, she dint have the time or opportunity to do anything for society, but nowadays she does small things here and there.
Thus according to me, people who make sure their services at home are complete before expanding their services to the outside world are doing things in the most righteous and practical manner 😊.
Wow, I have written an essay on this. Only if I had such assignment essays to do in school and college 😭! But the funny thing is, when we used to get such good topics at school, we used to somehow finish it off just for the sake of it. But now through experience and exposure, we are able to come up with such long essays without even any library reference 😆.



Appu, I love the three levels of human philosophies you have written.

@ red - May be my views and life style is more American than Indian although I follow Indian culture at home. I see fewer people in the 3rd category among Indian or Indian origin people. But every American belongs to the third category. Taking care of family is never an excuse to keep them away from social service. Americans are the best example of Philanthropists. Every house hold gives charity in their own limited means. On the contrary, no offense, but this is the fact. Indians and Indian Americans are the most selfish, insensitive, and indulge in extravagance (coz Indian community is rich in USA) while millions of people have no jobs and can't afford one meal a day.

The very fact Indians believe in "Charity begins at home" they are contended with their life and living as-is. The charity should begin, but not remain at home. With Indians, woh charity 'Begin' se aage jaatha nahi... It is an excuse to hide behind responsibilities. First it is your husband and children and in-laws. Ussee mein shaadi ke baad 25-30 saal nikaljayega... Then will come SIL/DIL and grand kids. Baaki ki zindagi grand kids ke seva mein nikaljayega... aur bacha kucha zindagi buddhape ke kaaran you become dependent on kids ya tho assisted living mein nikaljayega.

Every month I cook a dish for 250 people and take it to the homeless shelter and feed them. And another week a month I work in the kitchen soup all Saturday. I work 19 hours a day on an average. But that's not an excuse not to do social service.

So, one has to go beyond "The Charity Begins at home". One has to get out of that comfort zone and start doing social work little at a time... take baby steps, but keep moving forward... otherwise we become like stagnant water. Why can't we believe and follow "JO kal karen so aaj, jo aaj karen so ab"???

Edited by vishmewell - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

@ Pallavi :

Your are absolutely right. There is nothing wrong in the path you are in. Whatever you are doing is totally right and practical, and you will definitely reach the next level very soon. Its always better to take one step at a time. At this level if you try to jump to the next level, u wont be able to do justice to both levels.

Actually to analyse why some people have hardly any desires and are easily willing to sacrifice normal worldly pleasures, again we have to bring in spirituality here 😆. We take birth to finish off our karmas and fulfil various desires. As we keep taking birth after birth, we finish off various desires of ours and are clean of those desires in the subsequent births. Thus as the level of our spirituality increases, our level of desires keep reducing, and our level of awareness, understanding, self-realisation, selflessness and maturity increases. In short, importance for physical and materialistic needs reduces. Thus we can easily say, only someone who is at higher spiritual level can think of being selfless or desire less, so as to sacrifice worldly pleasures.
So as far as we are concerned, we are all in a journey on the path of spirituality and are still not done with our agenda of worldly responsibilties and pleasures. There is a mission behind our birth, without any reason we wouldn't be born. So since we are born to finish a particular agenda, that is exactly what we should do. So each person behaves according to his/her level of existence. And there is nothing wrong in it 😊.
And in between trying to fulfill our agenda, we must try to live life in the most righteous manner and help others as much as possible. Even if we are not able to be selfless, atleast we should try not to do wrong to anyone. If we can do that, I think that is more than enough for the time being 😉.
And regarding Maslow, wow yaar, we are true students doing justice to our degrees 😆! In our routine conversations we are using Maslow and all 😆. Now other members in the forum will think highly of us, they will think we are such high funda people 😃.
Lets do one thing, lets go to all topics and irritate the topic starter by analyzing each topic of Suhana from Maslow's and Herzberg's theory point of view 🤣. Am sure eventually Mods will send us a warning and ban us henceforth from using any THEORIES in the forum 🤣!



@ red - 👏👏 that is the true meaning of life. King Janaka lived like that. While he was living the life of a king doing his duties, he was untouched by emotions and material things. That's why he is also known as Videh!

@ blue - 🤣🤣🤣 don't worry... agar main abhi thak forum hoon tho... iska matlab they have become insensitive to these theories and sciences yaar... haan... people can get irritated by your posts and you may start accumulating lots of aka... jaise ki main... I was named as Vasu 🤣🤣 in Bidaai forum. Now aka Baa... Thanks to you Appu... you are the only one who gave me good title I can accept 'Badi maa'... 🤣🤣🤣
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Posted: 15 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: vishmewell


Appu, I love the three levels of human philosophies you have written.

@ red - May be my views and life style is more American than Indian although I follow Indian culture at home. I see fewer people in the 3rd category among Indian or Indian origin people. But every American belongs to the third category. Taking care of family is never an excuse to keep them away from social service. Americans are the best example of Philanthropists. Every house hold gives charity in their own limited means. On the contrary, no offense, but this is the fact. Indians and Indian Americans are the most selfish, insensitive, and indulge in extravagance (coz Indian community is rich in USA) while millions of people have no jobs and can't afford one meal a day.

The very fact Indians believe in "Charity begins at home" they are contended with their life and living as-is. The charity should begin, but not remain at home. With Indians, woh charity 'Begin' se aage jaatha nahi... It is a excuse to hide behind responsibilities. First it is your husband and children and in-laws. Ussee mein shaadi ke baad 25-30 saal nikaljayega... Then will come SIL/DIL and grand kids. Baaki ki zindagi grand kids ke seva mein nikaljayega... aur bacha kucha zindagi buddhape ke kaaran you become dependent on kids ya tho assisted living mein nikaljayega.

Every month I cook a dish for 250 people and take it to the homeless shelter and feed them. And another week a month I work in the kitchen soup all Saturday. I work 19 hours a day on an average. But that's not an excuse not to do social service.

So, one has to go beyond "The Charity Begins at home". One has to get out of that comfort zone and start doing social work little at a time... take baby steps, but keep moving forward... otherwise we become like stagnant water. Why can't we believe and follow "JO kal karen so aaj, jo aaj karen so ab"???

I have not experienced American culture as I have not lived there. I just know that Indian culture is collectivist culture and Amercian culture is Individualist culture. Now, there is nothing right/wrong in any of these cultures. It is a way of life and both have positive and negative sides. As I have not lived in US, I can not say about the 3rd category (of what Appu has mentioned) of Americans, but, I have seen many Indians (including youngsters) who fall into 3rd category. So, it is not right to say that Indians are most selfish and insensitive. Actually, I seriously dont think selfishness and insensitive nature can be tagged to any country/culture. It depends on one's own individuality, up-bringing and enviornment. According to me, barriers like country/culture/language doesnt contribute much to a person's characters.
Taking care of the family is definately not an excuse to keep us away from social service. But, being brought up in a collectivist culture, a family according to me consists of many people. Ofcourse, it mainly includes children, husband, parents, in-laws but along with them there are many close relatives of whom some are rich and some are really in need. I am sure, it is not just the case with me, but with many others. So, for a person who is brought up in a collectivist culture, even if he/she wants to help those in needy, he doesnt have to go outside the family (extended family) because there are many present in the family itself. We dont have to go out in search of needy, when we can see them near us. Where as, this may not be the case in an individualistic culture. A person from an individualist culture doesnt have an extended family, so hence the service which he/she renders will be for an outside society. I personally feel, both are equally noble. At the same time, there are many Indians who go beyond this extended family and into service. They have left their highly-paid jobs and are into service. I myself have seen so many of them.
Charity definately begins @ home and I agree that it shouldnt stop there. And our workload and family ties shouldnt be an obstacle for the social service. But as I have mentioned already in the earlier posts, it may not be possible to fulfill such desires completely at this stage of life. As you only highlighted, it is a step by step process.
@Red - These fall into level 1, there is nothing much to discuss about them until unless they rise from that level.
Edited by reguser - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: vishmewell



@ red - 👏👏 that is the true meaning of life. King Janaka lived like that. While he was living the life of a king doing his duties, he was untouched by emotions and material things. That's why he is also known as Videh!

@ blue - 🤣🤣🤣 don't worry... agar main abhi thak forum hoon tho... iska matlab they have become insensitive to these theories and sciences yaar... haan... people can get irritated by your posts and you may start accumulating lots of aka... jaise ki main... I was named as Vasu 🤣🤣 in Bidaai forum. Now aka Baa... Thanks to you Appu... you are the only one who gave me good title I can accept 'Badi maa'... 🤣🤣🤣

@Bold - Hey, Bhagwan. I didnt have any intention to call you Baa just like that. Laxmi had sent that radio link where your voice is heard. But, before sending the link she asked me to imagine and give an example of how your voice would be. The first person who came to my mind is Baa and hence I told her. Didnt know you will hang on with that word now. Infact, I had told Laxmi that I dont know much about Vish and without knowing anything about you, how can I judge your voice?
As I am the person who has given you the name of Baa (though just for her voice), I myself will take it back 😆😆
Edited by reguser - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: reguser

@Bold - Hey, Bhagwan. I didnt have any intention to call you Baa just like that. Laxmi had sent that radio link where your voice is heard. But, before sending the link she asked me to imagine and give an example of how your voice would be. The first person who came to my mind is Baa and hence I told her. Didnt know you will hang on with that word now. Infact, I had told Laxmi that I dont know much about Vish and without knowing anything about you, how can I judge your voice?
As I am the person who has given you the name of Baa (though just for her voice), I myself will take it back 😆😆

Thank you thank you thank you... 🥳
🥳🥳

Yaar u make me laugh...
🤣🤣🤣 you always give me the reactions I want yaar.. mujhe mazaa atha hai... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Though I dont know you much, I know tumhe kahan mazaa atha hai.....😆
Have experienced your mazaa many times 😡😆
See I am doing self-less service to you. Made ur SELF happy by giving you mazaa 😆
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