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Originally posted by: hotdogg

Well Arshi...

After reading your CB my first reaction was a facepalm like Capt Pritchard from Star Trek...



Then read smrth's post ...and then had to see it...

Here's what I think...

1) Kusum:
- Well at least she is consistent...

- She loved the idea of saras, then saras himself and is obviously physically attracted to him...or maybe it was the other way around...maybe was physically attracted and cloaked it under the so called love for the idea of saras (the misaligned Meerabai Id) because he was bethrothed to kumud...

- Maybe there is a healthy dose of sibling rivalry too...Kumud was always the chosen one, the preferred one, the capable one, the intelligent one...

- Living forever in the more popular kumud's shadow would cause resentment and yet only kumud could open doors for her, make her visible to the rest of the world..

- As the weaker of the two sisters, she instinctively knows the leverage which works with kumud...tap into her sense of sibling love and duty..

- Kumud being the more capable one and the elder one would freely dispense with what she had in abundance of / which she could easily get and pass it on to the less capable sister.

- Kumud being married to Pramad and then a 'free' Saras presents to Kusum for the first time ever an accessible prize desired by her elder sis - whom she loves but also resents equally - but which elder sister cannot get that easily now...

- In any case, whatever you choose to call this ...she is now fully delusional...and bordering on the psychotic...saras is a prize she has now claimed and she will not let go..

- So her upping the ante makes sense...If saras will not respond / pay attention, she will force him to...using the most basic and elementary desires she feels for him...the physical...

- I had mentioned long time back, that she has moved into the evil camp...

- Today was another tipping point...After today, I fully expect her to become unambiguously pig-headed in her desire to possess Saras...And she is smartly using the childhood tactic which has worked with Kumud earlier...refer the entire dialogue "(Kamarand) Tha...Par Ab Yeh Mera Hai..Kumud Didi Ne Khud Ise Mujhe Diya Hai... Mujhe Maangne Ki Zaroorat Bhi Nahin Padi"

- Today was maybe the creation of a new phycho villianess...SC always has 2...First there was Gumaan-Khoti Vaat, then Pramad- Kalika and now Kusum-Kalika.

- I dont see her reverting back to Danny...however much Saras - Kumud wish.

- Happy has correctly identified...she gone loco...phycho..playing double games with her family, danny, kumud and saras...but then she has played these games on a minor scale with kumud all her life...

2) Kumud

Here I beg to differ from the general consensus...I feel today it was different and a step forward for her

- Kumud being the more capable one and the elder one would freely
dispense with what she had in abundance of / which she could easily get
and pass it on to the less capable sister.

- In a way, this was a sub-conscious compensation mechanism by Kumud ...she knows shes the better one of the two...she feels guilty about it because she also loves kusum...and compensates for her guilt through a pass through of her belongings...and she doesnt have a cause for sibling rivalry

- Also being the elder sibling she naturally also carries the cross of having to be 'responsible' in everything she does...so the constant concern about family, others etc.

- Compounded by kusum's suicide attempts due to her wanting saras...at some level kumud's feeling responsible for this too and so the desire to correct it through a quick fix solution...This is the same instinctive approach she has used to make up to kusum earlier..

- In today's scene, when she sees saras - kusum collide she is physically shaken up...she is scared to see what is going to transgress...what kusum is attempting...so instead of moving forward she hides...

- On kusum's response on the kamarband, I feel she is finally starting to see her loss of saras, on what a blunder she has made...maybe on her own stupidity...and so the tears flow unabated...

- But maybe she has not yet stumbled upon the deceit of Kusum..

- She checks out kusum after saras has left...and decides she needs to do something about this...

- NOW...finally swallowing her ego, she meets Saras...her agenda is Kusum...

- On kamarband..."Dekha Maine"...

- She admits that nothing's changed..."Mujhe Laga Tha ki Danny Aur Kusum Ke Beech Ki doori Kam Ho Rahi Hai..."

- She is instinctively seeking the correct solution...

She defines the problem:
1) She says that when she sees 'love' for Saras in Kusum's eyes, its clear their approach is not working...

2) "Sach Tum Nahin Dekh Paa Rahe Ho...Woh Tumse Bahut Pyaar Karti Hai"..
...Here when she talks about kusum's love. we need to read it with the previous statement...She's not affirming what she thinks...I feel she's calling out the problem to Saras!

-At some stage love will manifest into physical intimacy...and she has seen kusum take this first dangerous step with Saras..despite being married to Danny...Danger ahead!...

- Mere Liye Bhi Pyar Ka Matlab Tyaag Hai..Par Kusum Ke Liye Nahin..
- Saras is still not getting it that kusum is crazily infatuated...stronger measures will be
required...just marrying them off and doing some havan / Dadaji illness will not work

- Her responsibility baggage rears its head again.."Mera Poora Parivar Takleef Mein Hain"..."Hum Kusum Ke Saath Yeh Anyay Nahin Kar Sakte"..."Hum Adhoore Hi Sahi..."

- Her "Pyar Kisi Se Aur Rishta Kisi Aur Se Nibha Rahi Hai" ..."Har Pal Ghut Rahi Hai" are probably directed towards her own plight too..

Then the solution:
- "Kusum ko Kaun Samjayega"

- Saras will have to erased from kusum's consciousness before kusum can move on to Danny...
- Saras will have to leave..."Hum Sab Ke Liye Yeh Acha Hoga"...she's crying when she's saying that...so its not ego or stupidity...she's hurting when she's suggesting this option...Pretty strong medicine...

- Her prognosis is bang on! ... As long as Saras is around...Kusum will not change even a slight bit!

- Her love, desire and afffection for Saras stand undiminished...maybe even stronger now...seeing how saras responded to Kusum's advances and perhaps realising for the first time the immense personal loss and regret she will live with if Saras is taken away from her...

- Ergo her acceptance of Saras solution in the fabulous scene which follows...Not a single peep out of Ms Kumudsundari the entire time!!


3) Saras
- Our dikra gives the solution to take him out of the equation in a more pleasant way...

- However, knowing the pathology of Kusum its not the optimum one...I would support Kumud's solution...He has to be out of sight to be out of mind of Kusum...once his position as an object which belonged to Kumud changes...Kusum's natural psychology will find it less attractive to possess...the neural desire pathways will weaken and she can hope to have some chance of a relationship with Danny...

- Absolutely absolutely loved saras dare to her...let go of your sense of responsibility towards family, danny, kusum, the world...let go...and just admit you want to be with me...and I will take care of the rest...I will answer for you!

- And the sindoor bath was classic...the acting, the dialogues, the direction and the BG Mangalam Vishnu (Thx Smrth!! would have missed this if not for your post)👏

At the very core primitive / animal level...he marked Kumud with his colors...she's his mate and he is her's...she knows it and he knows it...its done and nothing the world will do will ever change that...

At the emotional level...he's reafiirming his love...she has nothing to fear from Kusum...and holding a mirror to her on what's most important to them both

At the spiritual level...he filled the colors in the symbolic white chunni left with her so long ago with the divine red of spiritual union...he ready to fulfil his promise...So is she?


Next Steps
- So while the next dialogues were one of the best ever...this solution is actually going to mess this up more...Kusum will become more evil, desperate and bitter...with Kalika fanning the flames...

- so expect the next turn with Kusum fully evil and sworn enemy (maybe out in the open) of Kumud...

- This incestuous shit is raking in the TRPs...so expect Kusum to be turned more evil in order to test how far they can take her..

4) Danny

- Really feel for him...he's actually got the short end of the stick despite being the most innocent of the entire lot...

- And unless Kusum does a u- turn ...he's going to be in a limbo state...

5) Dadaji

- That's a great character... Hope he finds the solution...The rest of the Desai elders have been neutered anyway!

Originally posted by: KK84

He won't ever leave her. The fact that dadaji even said that she will wait her whole life is proof of that but yeah now she needs to say it.

I guess we have to see it this way that it can't be as simple as he is there with sindoor and she says ok n he fills her maang. I dunno I don't feel mad at kumud but then I haven't seen the epi. I may turn...or maybe it's cos I am in a very good mood today.

I want her to say that saraswatichandra is only hers and for her to say this to kusum and for saras to overhear this. Dunno if cvs will be this meherbaan on us or not but the fact that she is in turn feeding him in the precap is proof enough that she does love him n she will soon shout it on top of the whole world.

It's now time for kumud to fight for saras. No more miss nice person. I hope CVs get this.

Originally posted by: vaishali-AR

@smrth- So Manchatur did his bit in trying to get Saras Kumud together in the novel as well? Glad to know that.. Glad he overheard Saras Kumud conversation..I am desperately wishing to see someone who uses his brain in this mad house and takes decision rationally and wisely without getting influenced by the emotional drama of the family.. They are unnecessarily complicating matters.. as far as I know, Kumud is divorced now, isn't she? So why wouldn't anyone propose the idea of getting Kumud married to Saras..? How long can Saras be in that house as their unofficial son in law- cum helper? If they are worried about tongues wagging, then well ..there have been enough controversies in the family starting from Dukhba to Kumud and now Kusum..Atleast its less controversial than Kusum claiming to love her brother in law..!! Saras Kumud marriage should have been the obvious next step and it is also the need of the hour looking at Kusum's growing obsession and desperation these days... Hope dadaji takes charge of things and proposes the idea.. VC is too incompetant when it comes to right decision making..

Originally posted by: hotdogg

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2) Kumud

Here I beg to differ from the general consensus...I feel today it was different and a step forward for her

- Kumud being the more capable one and the elder one would freely dispense with what she had in abundance of / which she could easily get and pass it on to the less capable sister.

- In a way, this was a sub-conscious compensation mechanism by Kumud ...she knows shes the better one of the two...she feels guilty about it because she also loves kusum...and compensates for her guilt through a pass through of her belongings...and she doesnt have a cause for sibling rivalry

- Also being the elder sibling she naturally also carries the cross of having to be 'responsible' in everything she does...so the constant concern about family, others etc.

- Compounded by kusum's suicide attempts due to her wanting saras...at some level kumud's feeling responsible for this too and so the desire to correct it through a quick fix solution...This is the same instinctive approach she has used to make up to kusum earlier..

- In today's scene, when she sees saras - kusum collide she is physically shaken up...she is scared to see what is going to transgress...what kusum is attempting...so instead of moving forward she hides...

- On kusum's response on the kamarband, I feel she is finally starting to see her loss of saras, on what a blunder she has made...maybe on her own stupidity...and so the tears flow unabated...

- But maybe she has not yet stumbled upon the deceit of Kusum..

- She checks out kusum after saras has left...and decides she needs to do something about this...

- NOW...finally swallowing her ego, she meets Saras...her agenda is Kusum...

- On kamarband..."Dekha Maine"...

- She admits that nothing's changed..."Mujhe Laga Tha ki Danny Aur Kusum Ke Beech Ki doori Kam Ho Rahi Hai..."

- She is instinctively seeking the correct solution...

She defines the problem:
1) She says that when she sees 'love' for Saras in Kusum's eyes, its clear their approach is not working...

2) "Sach Tum Nahin Dekh Paa Rahe Ho...Woh Tumse Bahut Pyaar Karti Hai"..
...Here when she talks about kusum's love. we need to read it with the previous statement...She's not affirming what she thinks...I feel she's calling out the problem to Saras!

-At some stage love will manifest into physical intimacy...and she has seen kusum take this first dangerous step with Saras..despite being married to Danny...Danger ahead!...

- Mere Liye Bhi Pyar Ka Matlab Tyaag Hai..Par Kusum Ke Liye Nahin..
- Saras is still not getting it that kusum is crazily infatuated...stronger measures will be
required...just marrying them off and doing some havan / Dadaji illness will not work

- Her responsibility baggage rears its head again.."Mera Poora Parivar Takleef Mein Hain"..."Hum Kusum Ke Saath Yeh Anyay Nahin Kar Sakte"..."Hum Adhoore Hi Sahi..."

- Her "Pyar Kisi Se Aur Rishta Kisi Aur Se Nibha Rahi Hai" ..."Har Pal Ghut Rahi Hai" are probably directed towards her own plight too..

Then the solution:
- "Kusum ko Kaun Samjayega"

- Saras will have to erased from kusum's consciousness before kusum can move on to Danny...
- Saras will have to leave..."Hum Sab Ke Liye Yeh Acha Hoga"...she's crying when she's saying that...so its not ego or stupidity...she's hurting when she's suggesting this option...Pretty strong medicine...

- Her prognosis is bang on! ... As long as Saras is around...Kusum will not change even a slight bit!

- Her love, desire and afffection for Saras stand undiminished...maybe even stronger now...seeing how saras responded to Kusum's advances and perhaps realising for the first time the immense personal loss and regret she will live with if Saras is taken away from her...

- Ergo her acceptance of Saras solution in the fabulous scene which follows...Not a single peep out of Ms Kumudsundari the entire time!!


3) Saras
- Our dikra gives the solution to take him out of the equation in a more pleasant way...

- However, knowing the pathology of Kusum its not the optimum one...I would support Kumud's solution...He has to be out of sight to be out of mind of Kusum...once his position as an object which belonged to Kumud changes...Kusum's natural psychology will find it less attractive to possess...the neural desire pathways will weaken and she can hope to have some chance of a relationship with Danny...

- Absolutely absolutely loved saras dare to her...let go of your sense of responsibility towards family, danny, kusum, the world...let go...and just admit you want to be with me...and I will take care of the rest...I will answer for you!

- And the sindoor bath was classic...the acting, the dialogues, the direction and the BG Mangalam Vishnu (Thx Smrth!! would have missed this if not for your post)👏

At the very core primitive / animal level...he marked Kumud with his colors...she's his mate and he is her's...she knows it and he knows it...its done and nothing the world will do will ever change that...

At the emotional level...he's reafiirming his love...she has nothing to fear from Kusum...and holding a mirror to her on what's most important to them both

At the spiritual level...he filled the colors in the symbolic white chunni left with her so long ago with the divine red of spiritual union...he ready to fulfil his promise...So is she?


Next Steps
- So while the next dialogues were one of the best ever...this solution is actually going to mess this up more...Kusum will become more evil, desperate and bitter...with Kalika fanning the flames...

- so expect the next turn with Kusum fully evil and sworn enemy (maybe out in the open) of Kumud...

- This incestuous shit is raking in the TRPs...so expect Kusum to be turned more evil in order to test how far they can take her..

4) Danny

- Really feel for him...he's actually got the short end of the stick despite being the most innocent of the entire lot...

- And unless Kusum does a u- turn ...he's going to be in a limbo state...

5) Dadaji

- That's a great character... Hope he finds the solution...The rest of the Desai elders have been neutered anyway!

Originally posted by: tryforceful

Hotdogg, sir, take a bow! ⭐️⭐️⭐️

Thx. 😳

I have a few misgivings in your analysis of Kumud.

Kumud shouldn't have said "she loves you so much" instead "she's still fixated on you".

I agree. Poor writing is the hallmark of the current set of writers. Instead of 'asakti', 'vimoh', 'deewanapan', 'grast'...they go with 'pyar'!

But she is still plagued by her largesse in love syndrome from the day she'd asked him to marry Kusum. Today, she asks him to leave. If Kusum hadn't been married to Danny, she'd still have suggested him to marry Kusum! And that is exactly what is exasperating to see from Kumud, instead of acknowledging her sister's feelings as lust (she's probably see through the femme fatale erotomanic avatar of Kusum and is in denial that her pyaari sister could turn into a monster), she calls it love quite conclusively even after S refutes that it's infatuation of the first order!

There are elements of taking ownership, responsibility, 'I broke it, so I will fix it' to her character.
Additionally, she is a fearless Ms I Just Do Things.

However, the earlier Kumud had a very clear moral compass of what's right and what's wrong...the earlier kumud would never have missed out the innate wrong of this entire farce..

But then TVTs beckon and (i) the current Kumud is a mere fragment of the old kumud. (ii) they will milk the situation for what's its worth...the character integrity be damned.

"Ergo her acceptance of Saras solution in the fabulous scene which follows...Not a single peep out of Ms Kumudsundari the entire time"

Whenever S corners and gives a lengthy lecture on her flawed notions, she happily submits herself and even listens intently like a diligent student (eg: The talk in which S says nobody can separate us, not P, Kusum, you or me) but flunks during the real final exam day. Saras is selfish in his love and she very well knows it. Shunning him away is one of the better solutions to this problem but not really a good one considering the higher scheme of things.

"Power (never) takes a back step...only in the face of more power." Malcolm X

The only one who can go eyeball to eyeball with Ms. Kumudsundari and come out winning is Mr. Saras Vyas. Both are strong headed, intelligent and highly opinionated individuals. I had made an analogy long CBs ago...they are like a falcon and an eagle...so different yet so similar. This is what had made the show so different and endearing in its peak.

But TVTs ka Jamana Hai...Masala kaise laye? I also feel that saras is now the fixed locus of this story...and kumud will be the jello character...so this is to ne expected! 😭

Just you watch and see...They will make her move back from this decision under some utterly ridiculous reasons in coming weeks.

I have been noticing JW's (I mean Kumud's) body language a little too much lately and this is what I've come up with. Whenever Saras said "I could have kept your sister 'happy' for awhile..." she flinched with disgust as though how could this be coming from her man? Kudos to Jenny for expressing these subtleties masterfully. But her words completely contradict her 'actions'! Maybe the director is hell-bent upon portraying her as an indecisive(giving contrasting body language and dialogues) damsel in distress? In short, her body language screams "I love you Saras" but her words, not at all. That's exactly why SC demands it, "announce it to the whole world that I'm for you and vice versa"

The clear-cut solution is this: She, as an elder sister, must sit with Kusum and explain what 'love' is. If she truly respects her love for Saras, she must be ready to do it even a million times without getting tired and take her sister to the therapist first and foremost.

Why don't these TV show makers believe in alcoholic rehab centers and therapy clinics? Oh I know, they are easy and optimal solutions with no scope for melodrama. Sigh...

Agree. And same comments as the last one...Kumud is the flip-flopper

Originally posted by: smrth

Vaishali,

Although I join the uproar regarding Kumud's 'mahanta' streak, I am more annoyed at her for not recognising; Saras's a) moral mortification, b) emotional suffocation and most important, c) denial of his life breathe- his love, which, he is pleading most among all three. For first two, 'reverse mirror', as we discussed, should open her eyes, but over third, she is almost merciless in warranting his 'death'. Unfortunately his 'life' is 'she' only. What a mess he is in!

On the other level, much as we want her not to waste herself on a worthless sister, she does have some shackles binding her feet. For her, she is almost a daughter adopted- as many time it happens with a strong elder sister... If she can not refuse even a known murder under the conscientious empathy- (even when misplaced, as seen from viewers' bird eye view)- how would she disentangle herself from a sister visibly messed. She can't 'abandon' her (sic wrong). Please know, I am not defending her abused empathy. Just analysing her. On the other hand, Saras is understanding this bind and he is trying to find out best possible solution. But here, as all of us are agog in condemning Kumud's misplaced 'empathy', why are we not asking Saras to confront Kusum one to one for once? Why 'masum Kusum' is permitted to him? Should he also not shout out the same outrage he is explaining to Kumud, to Kusum directly for once?

As for this particular scene, I understand character's most addle fluster and revulsion. To face an 'advance' from a dazed opposite sex, even while not encouraged in the least- rather clearly forbidden- is appalling. While women can easily shout out, for man, it's not as easy to browbeat the supposedly 'fair sex'. But when molested with a 'physical grab', it's down right repulsive, confusing and embarrassing to the hilt...🤢