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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Totally agree. Its not the mahaanta but overlooking saras's feelings that is the issue.

Regarding saras not talking to kusum, it's nonsense that it didn't happen yet. There lies the potential to stretch the track like a rubber band. He needs to give it back to her pronto. But he is holding back due to kumud? But either way saras not talking to kusum is nonsense.

You rightly pointed out how it must have felt for him when she was making those advances. Waise kumud asking saras to go away for some time is not a bad option. Or did she ask him ton go away forever.

In all this, she is bottling up and pushing all her emotions to saras to the deepest corner of her heart

And that's where I feel sad for her and sympathize with her. Not easy.

Originally posted by: nonam

I loved today's show

at least kumud realized "ek chutki bhar sin door" ka keemath

and how possessive was saras with her, and she was so disappointed when he didn't fill her maang

and the evil kusum( who i love to hate) just adds so much to the drama.

shiny is doing a great job playing her so maniacally obsessed, and the poor innocent danny, i want kumari to come back and to comfort him.

and dadaji is so on a mission to get saras and kumud together

but i don't mind this tension at all. love the drama

awesome acting by all today. perfect show

and tomorrow is making me scared, we get such a nice precap so is the show going to be the opposite like today, where yesterday's precap was horrible but the show was excellent

Originally posted by: smrth

Ok, I have missed quite a few episodes. Was it showed clearly? For last I saw Pramad, he handed over the 'agreement' signed- with clear intention to 'hang on'. Still, it comes under the force after a stipulated time , I suppose.

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Well Arshi...

well sir jee..

Ek dum perfecto analysis

Charan sparsh and saashtang dandvat pranaam

After reading your CB my first reaction was a facepalm like Capt Pritchard from Star Trek...



Then read smrth's post ...and then had to see it...

Here's what I think...

1) Kusum:
- Well at least she is consistent...

- She loved the idea of saras, then saras himself and is obviously physically attracted to him...or maybe it was the other way around...maybe was physically attracted and cloaked it under the so called love for the idea of saras (the misaligned Meerabai Id) because he was bethrothed to kumud...

I think it is

A. Infatuation, for a man who is nearly perfect in every way

B. a desire to be loved the way Kumud is loved

So it is a combo of physical attraction + idea of Saras jaisa pyaar karne wala which is translated to

Saras se pyaar

- Maybe there is a healthy dose of sibling rivalry too...Kumud was always the chosen one, the preferred one, the capable one, the intelligent one...

- Living forever in the more popular kumud's shadow would cause resentment and yet only kumud could open doors for her, make her visible to the rest of the world..

- As the weaker of the two sisters, she instinctively knows the leverage which works with kumud...tap into her sense of sibling love and duty..

- Kumud being the more capable one and the elder one would freely dispense with what she had in abundance of / which she could easily get and pass it on to the less capable sister.

I had written in one of the early day CBs Desais neglect of their choti beti will mess her up, dekha wohi hua

But yes, superbly said,

While Kumud has been the winner in the eyes of the world (family) ,

kusum is the real winner in her own eyes

For she simply takes from the winner

And finally ends up with the winnings

And for kusum, the struggle and the applause are the reward

In the absence of both, for kusum, the spoils are the reward

- Kumud being married to Pramad and then a 'free' Saras presents to Kusum for the first time ever an accessible prize desired by her elder sis - whom she loves but also resents equally - but which elder sister cannot get that easily now...

you know! I think this was the biggest chook of CVs

Had the first stirrings of kusums feelings been shown when

Kumud was keen to move on with pramaad

Navin was supposed to have been kusums love

Saras had no wajood

Her feelings would not have been so wrong

And once love is allowed to grow,

It cannot be easily stemmed

Then the whole thing would have made a lot more sense

The CVs missed the bus then and brought in her feelings later

When it was just wrong, from the word go

- In any case, whatever you choose to call this ...she is now fully delusional...and bordering on the psychotic...saras is a prize she has now claimed and she will not let go..

- So her upping the ante makes sense...If saras will not respond / pay attention, she will force him to...using the most basic and elementary desires she feels for him...the physical...

- I had mentioned long time back, that she has moved into the evil camp...

- Today was another tipping point...After today, I fully expect her to become unambiguously pig-headed in her desire to possess Saras...And she is smartly using the childhood tactic which has worked with Kumud earlier...refer the entire dialogue "(Kamarand) Tha...Par Ab Yeh Mera Hai..Kumud Didi Ne Khud Ise Mujhe Diya Hai... Mujhe Maangne Ki Zaroorat Bhi Nahin Padi"

yes! you are right again

It was the kamarband that was the first lure

To her mind, he fell in love with the wearer of the kamarband

And came to india to look for her

So the one who possesses the kamarband

Is the one he will love

Convoluted but maybe it makes sense to her twisted mind

- Today was maybe the creation of a new phycho villianess...SC always has 2...First there was Gumaan-Khoti Vaat, then Pramad- Kalika and now Kusum-Kalika.

And a superb observation. The real villains hide behind these side kicks who they feed till they are ready to strike

Guman who used her position as powerful LN's wife to strike through Khoti Pehle and LN finally

And kalika who uses her servility as her biggest weapon

That's how she kept a leash on pramaad

That's how she's got Khoti in her hold

And that's how she's feeding kusum

And
- I dont see her reverting back to Danny...however much Saras - Kumud wish.

- Happy has correctly identified...she gone loco...phycho..playing double games with her family, danny, kumud and saras...but then she has played these games on a minor scale with kumud all her life...

👏

2) Kumud

Here I beg to differ from the general consensus...I feel today it was different and a step forward for her

- Kumud being the more capable one and the elder one would freely dispense with what she had in abundance of / which she could easily get and pass it on to the less capable sister.

- In a way, this was a sub-conscious compensation mechanism by Kumud ...she knows shes the better one of the two...she feels guilty about it because she also loves kusum...and compensates for her guilt through a pass through of her belongings...and she doesnt have a cause for sibling rivalry

- Also being the elder sibling she naturally also carries the cross of having to be 'responsible' in everything she does...so the constant concern about family, others etc.

- Compounded by kusum's suicide attempts due to her wanting saras...at some level kumud's feeling responsible for this too and so the desire to correct it through a quick fix solution...This is the same instinctive approach she has used to make up to kusum earlier..

- In today's scene, when she sees saras - kusum collide she is physically shaken up...she is scared to see what is going to transgress...what kusum is attempting...so instead of moving forward she hides...

- On kusum's response on the kamarband, I feel she is finally starting to see her loss of saras, on what a blunder she has made...maybe on her own stupidity...and so the tears flow unabated...

- But maybe she has not yet stumbled upon the deceit of Kusum..

- She checks out kusum after saras has left...and decides she needs to do something about this...

- NOW...finally swallowing her ego, she meets Saras...her agenda is Kusum...

- On kamarband..."Dekha Maine"...

- She admits that nothing's changed..."Mujhe Laga Tha ki Danny Aur Kusum Ke Beech Ki doori Kam Ho Rahi Hai..."

- She is instinctively seeking the correct solution...

She defines the problem:
1) She says that when she sees 'love' for Saras in Kusum's eyes, its clear their approach is not working...

2) "Sach Tum Nahin Dekh Paa Rahe Ho...Woh Tumse Bahut Pyaar Karti Hai"..
...Here when she talks about kusum's love. we need to read it with the previous statement...She's not affirming what she thinks...I feel she's calling out the problem to Saras!

-At some stage love will manifest into physical intimacy...and she has seen kusum take this first dangerous step with Saras..despite being married to Danny...Danger ahead!...

- Mere Liye Bhi Pyar Ka Matlab Tyaag Hai..Par Kusum Ke Liye Nahin..
- Saras is still not getting it that kusum is crazily infatuated...stronger measures will be
required...just marrying them off and doing some havan / Dadaji illness will not work

- Her responsibility baggage rears its head again.."Mera Poora Parivar Takleef Mein Hain"..."Hum Kusum Ke Saath Yeh Anyay Nahin Kar Sakte"..."Hum Adhoore Hi Sahi..."

- Her "Pyar Kisi Se Aur Rishta Kisi Aur Se Nibha Rahi Hai" ..."Har Pal Ghut Rahi Hai" are probably directed towards her own plight too..

Then the solution:
- "Kusum ko Kaun Samjayega"

- Saras will have to erased from kusum's consciousness before kusum can move on to Danny...
- Saras will have to leave..."Hum Sab Ke Liye Yeh Acha Hoga"...she's crying when she's saying that...so its not ego or stupidity...she's hurting when she's suggesting this option...Pretty strong medicine...

- Her prognosis is bang on! ... As long as Saras is around...Kusum will not change even a slight bit!

- Her love, desire and afffection for Saras stand undiminished...maybe even stronger now...seeing how saras responded to Kusum's advances and perhaps realising for the first time the immense personal loss and regret she will live with if Saras is taken away from her...

- Ergo her acceptance of Saras solution in the fabulous scene which follows...Not a single peep out of Ms Kumudsundari the entire time!!

all agreed Hgg! but isn't it she being blind by not seeing it as chahat, it's not pyaar

Chahat is an ambiguous word it can mean desire, infatuation, love - anything

1. Pyaar is unambiguous, irreversible and sublime. why is she so sure what kusum feels is pyaar ?

2. Someone who lives by such a strict moral code, why isn't she expecting kusum to follow the same code?

Is she also living her life through kusum - what she didn't allow herself to so, kusum must be able to -

she couldn't walk out of her marriage, so kusum must, she pushed her love away because of marriage, so kusum must not?

Is it that at some level, what she wanted to do but could not allow herself to, she wants kusum to have ?

Kusum ko kaun samajhayga? - why is there no attempt even in that disha? Why after the first failed

Attempt, no further efforts are being made?

Why is there no line like main ek baar phir baat karke dekhti hoon ?

3) Saras
- Our dikra gives the solution to take him out of the equation in a more pleasant way...

- However, knowing the pathology of Kusum its not the optimum one...I would support Kumud's solution...He has to be out of sight to be out of mind of Kusum...once his position as an object which belonged to Kumud changes...Kusum's natural psychology will find it less attractive to possess...the neural desire pathways will weaken and she can hope to have some chance of a relationship with Danny...

- Absolutely absolutely loved saras dare to her...let go of your sense of responsibility towards family, danny, kusum, the world...let go...and just admit you want to be with me...and I will take care of the rest...I will answer for you!

- And the sindoor bath was classic...the acting, the dialogues, the direction and the BG Mangalam Vishnu (Thx Smrth!! would have missed this if not for your post)👏

At the very core primitive / animal level...he marked Kumud with his colors...she's his mate and he is her's...she knows it and he knows it...its done and nothing the world will do will ever change that...

At the emotional level...he's reafiirming his love...she has nothing to fear from Kusum...and holding a mirror to her on what's most important to them both

At the spiritual level...he filled the colors in the symbolic white chunni left with her so long ago with the divine red of spiritual union...he ready to fulfil his promise...So is she?


Next Steps
- So while the next dialogues were one of the best ever...this solution is actually going to mess this up more...Kusum will become more evil, desperate and bitter...with Kalika fanning the flames...

- so expect the next turn with Kusum fully evil and sworn enemy (maybe out in the open) of Kumud...

- This incestuous shit is raking in the TRPs...so expect Kusum to be turned more evil in order to test how far they can take her..

4) Danny

- Really feel for him...he's actually got the short end of the stick despite being the most innocent of the entire lot...

- And unless Kusum does a u- turn ...he's going to be in a limbo state...

5) Dadaji

- That's a great character... Hope he finds the solution...The rest of the Desai elders have been neutered anyway!


perfecto again

Originally posted by: Arshics

- Ergo her acceptance of Saras solution in the fabulous scene which follows...Not a single peep out of Ms Kumudsundari the entire time!!

all agreed Hgg! but isn't it she being blind by not seeing it as chahat, it's not pyaar

Chahat is an ambiguous word it can mean desire, infatuation, love - anything

1. Pyaar is unambiguous, irreversible and sublime. why is she so sure what kusum feels is pyaar ?

2. Someone who lives by such a strict moral code, why isn't she expecting kusum to follow the same code?

Is she also living her life through kusum - what she didn't allow herself to so, kusum must be able to -

she couldn't walk out of her marriage, so kusum must, she pushed her love away because of marriage, so kusum must not?

Is it that at some level, what she wanted to do but could not allow herself to, she wants kusum to have ?

Kusum ko kaun samajhayga? - why is there no attempt even in that disha? Why after the first failed

Attempt, no further efforts are being made?

Why is there no line like main ek baar phir baat karke dekhti hoon ?

Originally posted by: rahuketu

Arshi, merry Christmas! 😊

Rahul, Aapko bhi 😊

ek question hai...Saras ne kahaa ke "Pyaar kaa matlab zabardasti kaid karnaa nahi hotaa!" Bilkul sahi hai! Par phir kyu wo Kusum ko zabardasti se Danny ke saath kaid kar rahaa hai??? Ek baat toh maanani padegi... Saras ne Danny ki zindagi daav pe lagaai hai... "Kusum ko Danny se pyaar 'ho jaayegaa'...!" par agar usse pyaar nahi huaa toh kyaa hogaa??? Danny kaa kyaa hogaa??? :O

iss ko main 2 parts mein dekhti hoon

1. Kusum ki shadi - yeh faisla Saras ka nahi tha ki kusum ki shadi usi waqt honi chahiye, yeh kusum

ke parivar ka tha , toh kusum ko zabardasti bandhan mein dalne ka paap Saras ke sar nahi,

Desais ke sar pe hai, dulha Saras ho, yeh faisla bhi Saras ka nahi tha

2. Danny ki shadi - yahan Saras ne bahut galat kiya

Danny se sach chupane ki koi zaroorat nahi thi

Mere vichar main, agar Saras Danny to sach bata deta toh bhi Danny shadi ke liye maan jaata

Aur agar kusum ne Danny se pyaar nahi kiya toh

Saras hamesha ke liye gunahgaar rahega

.

Kusum Kumud ek jaisi nahi hai!... Kusum apne maang kaa sindoor paani se mitaati hai toh Kumud wahi sindoor chaahe Pramaad k naam kaa ho yaa Saras ke naam kaa... Usskaa maan rakhti hai...

Bilkul sahi Rahul

Par dono behenain itni extreme kyon hain?

Kyon Kumud Saras ke pyaar pe apna adhikar nahi samajhti?

Kyon Kumud ke liye har raasta Saras se door ki aur jaata hai?

Agar kusum har maryada ko tod rahi hai

Toh Kumud kyon maryada ki quaid main iss qadar bandi hai?

Aur mujhe acchaa lagaa ke Saras ne sindoor nahi bharaa... Kyonki mujhe bhi lagtaa hai ke Kumud ko uss par haq jataanaa chaahiye!
Mujhe episode bohot acchaa lagaa! 😊

Originally posted by: Arshics

Saras ne sindoor nahi bhara, mujhe bhi bahut achcha laga

Maan badhaya usne Kumud ka

Aur apna haq bhi Maang liya

Episode bahut achcha that, specially, mandir main unki baat - one of the best scenes of sc

Originally posted by: mena_k

Well said!

But If Kumud cannot differentiate between bachpan ke chand or amrood with saras then I think she is wrong.

To be elder does not only means to provide the younger ones with happiness and fulfill their needs but also to make them stand in the society as decent people with their sanskaar. Remember kids are always considered a reflection of parents and society always judges them with what kind of sanskaars their parents or elders have given them.