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Posted: 12 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: vaishali-AR

Sorry about my ignorance on this..as per my understanding based on what I read in some of the posts here, is TP#1 - Saras calling off the wedding over the phone and TP#2 Kumud's decision to agree to marry wherever her father wants? If that's the case and I could be wrong in my understanding but I think TP#2 was not Kumud but LN refusing to divulge anything, any sort of explanation or apology or any remote hope from his end.. Kumud had merely handed over her reigns to her father and agreed to do whatever he thinks is best for her..The logical next step was for VC to call LN and get a clear picture which didn't happen.. It was double blow on their trust and there was no time to recuperate..Had LN given any assurance or explanation from his end, things could have been different.. so I feel TP#2 was LN not Kumud..

Vaishali, Agree. Except that, I am refusing to take Tp2 as any trigger at all.😆
But can you help- How, "tum mera intezar na kar saki to thik .." apply? Is he still harbouring- over and above all apology etc., that would she have 'waited'...? For last three days I am trying to figure this out...repeating a muddled' sum; "How would what he told her with an insistent finality (in call), become 'untold'? And 'non final' for the recipient when he did not inform the 'change of course' and also, he was thwarted in showing up? How was she 'supposed' to wait or know? even from his POv?Ouch
Please help- how was she to become an omniscient?
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Posted: 12 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: happychappy

Smrth, this is more a matter of semantics, I feel. I apologise for lifting your term of trigger because it was already in circulation, but what I intended was a point from which there was a possibility of a different outcome. He could have not made that call. She could have reacted not by assigning him the "Failure" Tag.

As things stand, we can agree to disagree...😊 ... Loving the haikus from Hgg and you...

Please do not think I have no eyes for Kumud's plight as so well-explained by you and Hgg and Arshi. I do. But,

The love she had from Saras was rare and special, and worth waiting for... Often, people value too little what they have, until they dont have it any more...What I feel is a mix of exasperation and regret that she didnt have the choice or inclination to wait... Both LN's history with Dugba and his own "rejection sight unseen" conspired to rob him of his true second chance, after his first true (but monumental) error ... Talk of the sins of the father being visited upon the son! No more words from me, on this.


Happy, I know your stand re Kumud and all. I am pulling your leg only (may I?)...and rest assured. I am here only to champion their ultimate union till last. And...You know, I am harsh on Saras...But I do take him as innately genuine and decent man. Only thing, we would rather have him truly respectful to Kumud. A department, he is found wanting in even in the source, per me.
Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#93
^^^
But Happy, please forgive me, if I have been sounding disrespectful. That is really not my intention or way.😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
#94
Has anyone read the new TB article on SC?
WHY are they still talking about the show being pulled off air?😲
WHY is such a big PH having trouble making payments to actors?😲
And I am hyperventilating!!!😭



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Infofan

Has anyone read the new TB article on SC?
WHY are they still talking about the show being pulled off air?😲
WHY is such a big PH having trouble making payments to actors?😲
And I am hyperventilating!!!😭




Yes I know. But not answering.😒. I am sulking.😒😒 ...Team Leader is unfairly ignoring a weak player.😒...why should I answer?🥺
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Friends. Any guess? How alpha scene is getting played out? Who would intervene? My three chances;
1) Saubhagya or BD, obviously siding with Kumud.
2) Kalika, cheekily pulling Pramad back, as a strategic retreat.
3) Saras, threatening Pramad an expose and again receiving a curt dismissal from Goddess.
Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#97
Smrth Bhaii...


Twila ji, baap re,first time seeing you so angry😲...should I venture?! Ok soldiering on like a fool 'valiant'...
Tell me Twila, when did she ask to toss the 'coin'? Did she invite him? Did she ask him to stay? Did she ask him to interfere? Did she ask him to redecorate his 'undying' love for her? Arre what pledges or promises even she eked out of him as yet? What all of then- without exception- were all about? That, 'please stay away from entire imbroglio'. So what personal 'advantage' has she extracted out of him as yet??
But Do we see how entirely troublesome his mere presence is turning out for her? To what end all this is escalating for her? Forget the 'future', even right now, what moral bind/disadvantage his mere 'presence incognito' has already pushed her into?...Do we see, his 'Navinchandra' has implicated her as a 'partner in a fraud' towards her in laws? Including that 'low life' Pramad? (And heard why she is ready to forgive Pramad's affair?)...She has been made to maintain a lie, that her ex fiance is living under the same roof in disguise where she has just entered as Bahu, and she is not even informing her trusting parents in law?
Her 'demand'? to stay away from her affairs? Or, repeated pleads to 'go away', leave her alone, spare her from his 'benevolence'; neither head nor tail. For his mere presence is exposing her to the 'tunes' of even that other low life- Kalika. Such is her reduction not his.🤢

And despite all these, personally as a viewer I too want him there!😕😲 For ultimately, he is her only and real succour. 😕...Only difference, I don't want his presence as 'condescending' apology part two. She does not owe, he owes.😡



I have absolutely no quibbles ... no disagreement at all with all that you have said above ...

you have very rightly said that he has no locus -standii... he should not be there ... his being there is wrong and making both of them Untruthful and deceptive ... this shall surely lead to trouble ... and i fully agree with you ...

but i guess his being there is a demand of the story and not based on any logic ... so we shall have to lump it even when we do not like it ... and there is nothing that can be done about it .


I am not angry at Kumud ... it is just that i did not like the tone and tenor of that long convo that they had to explain her Standpoint yesterday ... the dialogues ... the lines ... the way CVs showed her expressing her stand did not gel with me ... the whole sequence was although quite powerful in terms of dramatic impact , but it left me a bit disturbed keeping in view the truth revelations in the Wednesday episode.

After the truth revelation , what i had expected to see was some kind of change in Kumud's behaviour and response towards Saras ... I expected her to be a bit more Understanding ... more considerate ... to be a bit mindful of the extraordinary situation that had forced him to make that Fatal Call...

What i had hoped to see was some kind of a common sharing of their Grief and Sorrows... of the Pain that both of them were feeling and undergoing due to this strange twist of fate ... of being there for him and understanding his pain too ... otherwise what was the whole point of the Truth revelation in any case ...

Instead what we got was that Kumud was in someways negating all that was there between them ... all that they had shared ... as if that entire phase of Ratna Nagri was of no importance ... had no Value for her ... as if their Love was of no importance and had no Value for her... this was the impression that i got from that whole sequence ... and this is what i did no like .

I understand that she has decided to close that chapter of her life ... is going to give her all to the new life and new circumstances ... but why should that mean that she must negate her earlier life and treat her Love for Saras as of no value ... it should not mean the denigration of his Love ...of their Love ... the non acceptance of the Love that they shared ...of all that they shared ...all that had happened between them in Ratna Nagri ...


I do not know whether i have been able to express what i wanted to see ...the reactions that i hoped to see from Kumud after knowing the Truth ...

but what we saw was the same Kumud of the pre revelation episode ... there was no change in her thought process ... no change in her attitude ... she was still making all those snide remarks about he being weak , while she is the strong one ( those lines of how she made the decision of Marraige in full " Hosho-hawaas ...and not due to Zazbaat " unlike him ... and then that " Main Apni Kamzoriyon ki Sazaa Doosron ko Nahin deti " or something on the same lines )... These are not the lines that one says to one's beloved,one's soulmate ...Knowing fully well that he is hurting too... that his whole life has also been completely ruined ,still she keeps on twisting the dagger deeper into his heart ...and while all this lashing out at him was fine till two days back... but now continuing in the same vein despite knowing the truth does not seem to be right considering the depth of their love.

What i had hoped for was a Kumud grieving for him too after knowing the truth... of indicating that she could understand his plight...after all , all her Love can not be put behind closed Shutters so easily ... can not be closeted away so completely ...but she continued to hurl slingshots of taunting remarks at him... Hurting him ...hitting him at his weakest spot .

and as i said above ... the whole tone and tenor was not right for me... that whole justification of Family's Izzat ...sacrifice for the sake of siblings ... the whole thing came off as trying to be all " Mahaan " ... all Sacrificing Mahaan Kumud ... I guess her attitude throughout came as a bit too Self Righteous for my liking...

So it was still the Strong Kumud standing tall and Upright bravely taking all the troubles of her family on her shoulders... while Saras was the weakling who had failed on all fronts and was the loser...

while what i had hoped to see was two Soulmates sharing their Pain and Sorrow ... though seperated on the outside due to the vicissitudes of Fate or Destiny , but still bound together by the deepest of bonds at the deepest of levels.

Hoping , i have been able to put across the reasons for my disappointment .
Edited by twila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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^But what will she do after changing her tone towards him? Say she became sympathetic towards him and understood his plight...what will she do next? Leave Pramad and go to Saras? That's not the story.

Soulmates in the fiction world often torment each other as well as give each other peace. Same goes for Saras-Kumud! They literally feel each others pain but are also the reason for that pain.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: twila

I have absolutely no quibbles ... no disagreement at all with all that you have said above ...

you have very rightly said that he has no locus -standii... he should not be there ... his being there is wrong and making both of them Untruthful and deceptive ... this shall surely lead to trouble ... and i fully agree with you ...

but i guess his being there is a demand of the story and not based on any logic ... so we shall have to lump it even when we do not like it ... and there is nothing that can be done about it ..(a)


I am not angry at Kumud ... it is just that i did not like the tone and tenor of that long convo that they had to explain her Standpoint yesterday ... the dialogues ... the lines ... the way CVs showed her expressing her stand did not gel with me ..(b). the whole sequence was although quite powerful in terms of dramatic impact , but it left me a bit disturbed keeping in view the truth revelations in the Wednesday episode.

After the truth revelation , what i had expected to see was some kind of change in Kumud's behaviour and response towards Saras ... I expected her to be a bit more Understanding ... more considerate ... to be a bit mindful of the extraordinary situation that had forced him to make that Fatal Call...

What i had hoped to see was some kind of a common sharing of their Grief and Sorrows... of the Pain that both of them were feeling and undergoing due to this strange twist of fate ... of being there for him and understanding his pain too ... otherwise what was the whole point of the Truth revelation in any case ...

Instead what we got was that Kumud was in someways negating all that was there between them ... all that they had shared ... as if that entire phase of Ratna Nagri was of no importance ... had no Value for her ... as if their Love was of no importance and had no Value for her...(c) this was the impression that i got from that whole sequence ... and this is what i did no like .

I understand that she has decided to close that chapter of her life ... is going to give her all to the new life and new circumstances ... but why should that mean that she must negate her earlier life and treat her Love for Saras as of no value ... it should not mean the denigration of his Love ...of their Love ... the non acceptance of the Love that they shared ...of all that they shared ...all that had happened between them in Ratna Nagri ...


I do not know whether i have been able to express what i wanted to see ...the reactions that i hoped to see from Kumud after knowing the Truth ...

but what we saw was the same Kumud of the pre revelation episode ... there was no change in her thought process ... no change in her attitude ... she was still making all those snide remarks about he being weak , while she is the strong one ( those lines of how she made the decision of Marraige in full " Hosho-hawaas ...and not due to Zazbaat " unlike him ... and then that " Main Apni Kamzoriyon ki Sazaa Doosron ko Nahin deti " or something on the same lines )... These are not the lines that one says to one's beloved,one's soulmate ...Knowing fully well that he is hurting too... that his whole life has also been completely ruined ,still she keeps on twisting the dagger deeper into his heart ...and while all this lashing out at him was fine till two days back... but now continuing in the same vein despite knowing the truth does not seem to be right considering the depth of their love.

What i had hoped for was a Kumud grieving for him too after knowing the truth... of indicating that she could understand his plight...after all , all her Love can not be put behind closed Shutters so easily ... can not be closeted away so completely ...but she continued to hurl slingshots of taunting remarks at him... Hurting him ...hitting him at his weakest spot .

and as i said above ... the whole tone and tenor was not right for me... that whole justification of Family's Izzat ...sacrifice for the sake of siblings ... the whole thing came off as trying to be all " Mahaan " ... all Sacrificing Mahaan Kumud ... I guess her attitude throughout came as a bit too Self Righteous for my liking...

So it was still the Strong Kumud standing tall and Upright bravely taking all the troubles of her family on her shoulders... while Saras was the weakling who had failed on all fronts and was the loser...

while what i had hoped to see was two Soulmates sharing their Pain and Sorrow...(d) ... though seperated on the outside due to the vicissitudes of Fate or Destiny , but still bound together by the deepest of bonds at the deepest of levels.

Hoping , i have been able to put across the reasons for my disappointment .

Oh Twila that's a sound explanation.Thanks for a detailed response...I agree on many points you made;
a... You are right, some how they will maintain his disguise intact, until the...even G.M.T. was somewhat evasive on his lodging with BD. so true. It's narration imperative.

b... To tell you, I too have not liked the execution. And not able to rate it as one of the 'best'...it has no subtlety or beauty of level that we saw on Wednesday. Besides, there are logical inconsistencies that were forcefully inserted, I felt.

c...This I disagree. Her 'imprint' is so final, its indelible even for her. But her anger has another aspect as it appeared to me. Notice, after a long time she called him 'Saras'. That's the outcome of Wednesday resolution. Else it would yet have been (and yet will be) cold 'Navin ji'. Also look, she is beseeching him for a respite, a patience and more understanding HELP. If she no longer valued what was, she would not run after him in the first place. But overtly she must also show indifference for 'what was'. It's in direct conflict with her stated goal. Besides, remember, they will continue to seesaw their interpersonal equation even on personal level. In fact, Kumud today does have some valid reason to show the scorn. But she is crying equally badly for him. Just look at the pain she is feeling even while discharging her 'scorn' so to say.

d... They already are. They are sharing their pain and sorrow only. Dissecting vicissitude of their tangled life and afterword... And rest assured, Kumud will grieve for him even more acutely then herself, as soon as he turns his back.



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Posted: 12 years ago
@twila- sorry for interfering in your conversation with smrth. I understand the issue you have with Kumud's portrayal..if you go back to the scene, you will see her expressions did soften up when he was narrating the whole incident of his fallout with LN.. but the fact that her life is screwed and he is directly even if unintentionally responsible for it does not change.. his fault may have lessened by an ounce but it can not be completely negated.. the crisis he faced , which she now acknowledges, could have been dealt with in ''n'' number of ways..he chose the worst possible way..how can he be forgiven for that.. is she hurting only for herself, her family.. I don't think so.. Just like he hurts for her.. she hurts for both of them.. Does she not know how much it must be hurting him to see her like this.. ( refer to all the conversations she has with herself in private , when she yearns for him..hurts and sheds tears for him.. even before she knew the whole truth) .. Does she not hurt thinking what they could have together..a beautiful life ..and what they ended up having? that frustration is bound to show up in her tone.. what epic love, soul mate connections are we talking about..? overrated terminologies.. these are very normal human feelings..
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