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Posted: 12 years ago
#71
Guys ...



Have been reading all the wonderful posts ... great discussions all around .

and one knows that this is the way it works in life ...

but for the sake of driving the story ahead and for discusssions on how the track shall unfold ,i have a query ... in all this Complicated Matrix of Family Izzat ...standing by the decisions... Rishtey Niibhaana ...sham Marriage Nibhaanaa etc.etc... where does that Love for Saras ...that deep love filling her heart ,mind and soul , fit into the equation ??
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72
Agree want her love for saras to shine
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Posted: 12 years ago
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twila-

loves still there... but currently at a lower priority / supressed...

...which is understable because kumud is just now awakening / going into detox...so she needs to sort out the mess and her personal equiibrium first...survival of her personal identity comes first and foremost...

...notice she is angry still...but now at least she has started to communicate and listen...even yesterday when she made saras promise not to tell anyone...the underlying basis for him to accept it was their love...

...the million dollar question is how will this manifest going forward?

... knowing kumud with her stong moral sense of right and wrong...she may supress all her feelings...now saras will also agree with her and support her decision...

... if we think SLB will adapt as per the novel...he may show their deep love continues but they remain seperated till the end...for lack of a better analogy like how it went in Amar Prem..

...it will still be like Nayi Soch and still like the novel...

- instead of a docile kumud, we will have an empowered kumud ...maybe in the form of a mini-alak / mini Gunial who manages the clan
- her relationship with pramad could be rocky or could be mended
- saras will stick around to help and support her
- they continue to love each other if pramad does not turn around...but will not get together / marry...that will be permanent wall all their life

Its too early to tell...but you could still have many variations around the Amar Prem theme...
- kumud thrown out of the house, saras supporting but not together like a couple, BD clan reaching out after pramad dies, kumud returning with saras but still not as an official couple..
- pramad reformed but then dying...and kumud in charge with saras supporting

Right now it looks like the above track combos will continue...🤢...for only with the above can the show continue for 2000 epis as SLB wants it to

If they get together just now...where is the story?

So we will have to be ready for a long haul... getting together will or will not happen until right at the end...and SLB will never tell us what he wants to do..


Edited by hotdogg - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hgg Bhai...


Thanks a ton for the reply . 😊


I know it is all very Complicated ...and the track ahead could go in any of the directions as you have posted ...but the moot POINT is whether they are going to focus on their Love Saga or the Rishtey Nibhaanaa track ??


Now with the new TB article ... the Time factor becomes the most important issue on how to take the track forward .

I shall however like to take the only positive news from the article ie Saras and Kumud shall end up together...atleast this gives us all SAMUD lovers some thing to be happy about . 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hotdogg

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But if we are willing to give such a looonnnggg rope to saras, we should also give a long rope to kumud too..

He screwed up her entire life...now he says sorry and all is forgiven...
But the person who got screwed and who is in an irrerversible situation now is expected to start dancing just because saras is now sorry?...and amazingly is the villian now???

Shouldn't kumud be entitled to her anger? Why should she forgive him so easily??


I'm not denying Kumud's right to be angry. or Saras' enormous guilt. Not saying that he deserves forgiveness, or even has the right to assuage his guilt by being her support. Not at all...

In my PoV, there were two triggers, first-Saras' incoherent phone call and second- Kumud's Back-to-Square One reaction to the phone call. The entire kahaani in my last post ws about the second trigger.

The disaster that followed could have been averted even at the second point. Granted Kumud had incomplete knowledge of events in Dubai, but she had in-depth knowledge of the man she was marrying. Deeper than the ocean, higher than the stars above, and all that stuff...Their connection was such that she could sense him when he was outside the haveli during the wedding!

Saras is rightly pilloried for his jazbaati reaction to events and honestly bears the blame for TP#1, you dont find him dodging that.

But Kumud still claims that her reverting to pre-Term opinion of Saras at TP#2 was logical and not emotional! Main jazbaat mein aake koi faisla nahin leti, says our Heroine! That rankles. That ...poof... sound of the whole Term disappearing into nothing...

I wearily rest my case...




Edited by happychappy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: happychappy


I'm not denying Kumud's right to be angry. or Saras' enormous guilt. Not saying that he deserves forgiveness, or even has the right to assuage his guilt by being her support. Not at all...

In my PoV, there were two triggers, first-Saras' incoherent phone call and second- Kumud's Back-to-Square One reaction to the phone call. The entire kahaani in my last post ws about the second trigger.

The disaster that followed could have been averted even at the second point. Granted Kumud had incomplete knowledge of events in Dubai, but she had in-depth knowledge of the man she was marrying. Deeper than the ocean, higher than the mountains, and all that stuff...Their connection was such that she could sense him when he was outside the haveli during the wedding!

Saras is rightly pilloried for his jazbaati reaction to events and honestly bears the blame for TP#1, you dont find him dodging that.

But Kumud still claims that her reverting to pre-Term opinion of Saras at TP#2 was logical and not emotional! Main jazbaat mein aake koi faisla nahin leti, says our Heroine! That rankles. That ...poof... sound of the whole Term disappearing into nothing...

I wearily rest my case...






chill happychappy...

- neither are at fault ...yet both are at fault
- both have dealt with a patently bad situation differently
- each has been impacted differently
- so both are dealing with the aftermath differently
- both are at different stages of the curve...with saras currently ahead ...
- reconciliation will only happen when both reach at the same stage
- kumud has just started her path..

copying my own perspective regarding their love...his & hers...from my earlier post...

loves still there... but currently at a lower priority / supressed...

...which is understable because kumud is just now awakening / going into detox...so she needs to sort out the mess and her personal equiibrium first...survival of her personal identity comes first and foremost...

...notice she is angry still...but now at least she has started to communicate and listen...even yesterday when she made saras promise not to tell anyone...the underlying basis for him to accept it was their love...

that's the beauty of this show isn't it... the nuances...maybe a hindi word expresses this better...the nazakat...the delicate see-saw as visualized by Ivy..

..and believe me ...this will be like a greek tragedy
- largely grey with no black and white...forcing the viewers to take sides...
- with the hero / heroine having character flaws often arising from their strengths:
saras has high sensitivity but his mother's unresolved grief causes an impulsiveness.
kumud has her pride, sense of duty and moral strength which cause her to be inflexible.

- Haven't explored this discussion yet ...but like in any greek tragedy the villian is often a caricature of pity rather than hatred...

take gumaan - Is her villiany a result of the ostracism she faced from VC & family when LN wanted to marry her?...what was VC locus standi in what was essentially a personal decision between LN & her?...if at that time VC felt she was not of the same socio-economic class as LN, what gives him the right to demand the same socio-ecomomic parity for kumud..when LN is definitely much higher on both fronts?

or pramad - was he to blame the way he has turned out or was it wrong parenting?...an overindulgent mom and strict dad...parents forcing their aspirations and ambitions on him without asking what he wants...parents playing favorites...

so we can agree to disagree and park this for now...I am sure as the story progresses we will be at similar POVs for other things...

The benefit is like arshi has said...this show makes us think and go hmmm...
And all of us become all the more better in the experience.

Also in the end all of us will be on the same stage along with our champions...Still hoping SLB gives us the grand happy finale..

👍🏼



Edited by hotdogg - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hotdogg



chill happychappy...

- neither are at fault ...yet both are at fault
- both have dealt with a patently bad situation differently
- each has been impacted differently
- so both are dealing with the aftermath differently
- both are at different stages of the curve...with saras currently ahead ...
- reconciliation will only happen when both reach at the same stage
- kumud has just started her path..

copying my own perspective regarding their love...his & hers...from my earlier post...

loves still there... but currently at a lower priority / supressed...

...which is understable because kumud is just now awakening / going into detox...so she needs to sort out the mess and her personal equiibrium first...survival of her personal identity comes first and foremost...

...notice she is angry still...but now at least she has started to communicate and listen...even yesterday when she made saras promise not to tell anyone...the underlying basis for him to accept it was their love...

that's the beauty of this show isn't it... the nuances...maybe a hindi word expresses this better...the nazakat...the delicate see-saw as visualized by Ivy..

..and believe me ...this will be like a greek tragedy
- largely grey with no black and white...forcing the viewers to take sides...
- with the hero / heroine having character flaws often arising from their strengths:
saras has high sensitivity but his mother's unresolved grief causes an impulsiveness.
kumud has her pride, sense of duty and moral strength which cause her to be inflexible.

- Haven't explored this discussion yet ...but like in any greek tragedy the villian is often a caricature of pity rather than hatred...

take gumaan - Is her villiany a result of the ostracism she faced from VC & family when LN wanted to marry her?...what was VC locus standi in what was essentially a personal decision between LN & her?...if at that time VC felt she was not of the same socio-economic class as LN, what gives him the right to demand the same socio-ecomomic parity for kumud..when LN is definitely much higher on both fronts?

or pramad - was he to blame the way he has turned out or was it wrong parenting?...an overindulgent mom and strict dad...parents forcing their aspirations and ambitions on him without asking what he wants...parents playing favorites...

so we can agree to disagree and park this for now...I am sure as the story progresses we will be at similar POVs for other things...

The benefit is like arshi has said...this show makes us think and go hmmm...
And all of us become all the more better in the experience.

Also in the end all of us will be on the same stage along with our champions...Still hoping SLB gives us the grand happy finale..

👍🏼




The teacher student analogy was great. I agree on what u both said. We tend to take sides? I think we are reacting to the thought process that is evolving. Kumud is making good progress.

After your analogy, role reversal of teacher student is more visible to me. He did say last week, tumhi Se seekha hai. Teacher forgot her lessons. Student became teacher n reminded her. They say shisyaat icchet paraajayam. Guru loves to be defeated by shishya.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hgg Bhai ...



Both have their own personalities... their temperaments ... their qualities ...and their flaws ...and Ofcourse we Love both of them ... BUT ...

what Rankles is Kumud's behaviour towards Saras ...

as if she does not know the person that he is...and i completely second Happy Chappy... she behaves as if the whole Act 1 period in Ratna Nagri did not happen ... as if she does not know the Purity of his Heart ... the Nobility of his Soul ...his completetly Selfless Love and Devotion for her ...when two people are so completely in Love ... are Soulmates ,then how is it possible for her to constantly Insult him ...Scorn him ...throw those Poisnous Barbs of " Me Strong ... You Weak ... Me Right ...You Wrong ... " and the worst of all ...she even Compared Saras with that Lowlife Pramaad ...all without batting an eyelid .

or Yeah ... she does know him very well ... and she shall use him as and when it pleases her ... whenever it serves her purpose ...she will ask him to take Pledges and Oaths and Promises... and otherwise she can always be mean ...pass Snide remarks ... all the while knowing fully well how much she is hurting him ... knowing that due to the goodness of his heart he shall take all her insults and humiliation quietly ...

This is like saying ... I know how much you Love me, so whenever it pleases me,i shall tie you up in the ropes of my promises ...and i know that you shall not say Ufff ... and whenever it pleases me i shall lambast you...shall scorn you ...
but you get nothing in return ... Heck, ...you do not even dare to expect anything ...and you better just Suck it up , you Loser ...
as one says in Hindi ... " Chit Bhi Meri ... Patt Bhi Meri ... " 😊

if being Alpha Kumud means that she shall be constantly mean to the person who loves her the most ... that she will keep on saying Nasty things to him ... Hurting him ...taking advantage of the goodness of his heart and his Love for her ... without accepting even once that she could also be in the wrong ... that she she has also made mistakes ... then i am sorry , but i do not like this Alpha Kumud .
Edited by twila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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twila-

1) see that's the thing...according to kumud...all the so-called greatness and feelings came to naught ...absolutely worthless...of no use...nada...zero value...the moment he called her up and broke the marriage off without any explanation whatsoever...

Did the so called greatness and feelings come in the way of saras decision?? No na...He did what he had to do at that time thinking ONLY about himself...did he apply any of the values you describe to think of the ramifications for kumud??

In the call he went so far to say forget me, remove the shaadi ka jodaa...she pleaded I am with you, I don't care about others etc. etc...yet HE said forget me and disconnected the phone...
leaving her all alone to face the world and repercussions...

Now we will say he was emotionally disturbed blah blah...If he had applied those great qualities he would not not have acted like he did.

If we give a rope to saras...why not the same parity and benefit of doubt to kumud when she feels the same as above...or its that only saras can be allowed to be emotionally disturbed and not kumud.

Why??... Specially since she's directly screwed in all of this.

You look at it any way under any reasoning...it WAS an act of weakness wasn't it??...it was indicated as such in the novel and so too in the show...

Now at his convenience he has come to his senses and wants to say I love you...so what!! Jab zaroorat thi tab to bhaag gayaa!!...

So for kumud it was a system reset and as per kumud he regressed to his first stage when he had first refused her...

With respect ot comparing with pramad...isn't there an element of truth?...pramad violates and abuses her physically...saras abused her love, trust, self-confidence, trust of her parents and her total surrender to him mind, body & soul all at his convenience and now wants it all back again at his convenience...Where was his greatness and qualities like purity of heart, nobleness, selfless love and devotion (she believed in him when no did), soulmates, PMS!!...when kumud was pleading with him and reiterating all of the above???

Come to think of it...in this regard pramad is more consistent than saras...he hates her from day 1 and behaves accordingly...

So I think her anger at saras is justiifed...

Just think about it...let's think of our love / partner (for people who have one)...one day before your marriage your partner screws up and calls long distance saying the marriage is off..bye bye...the end.

And you are forced to get married to someone else...who turns out to be a monster...

Then your love comes back and says I am sorry, forgive me...It was a momentary lapse...

With hand on heart...think ... all the greatness / qualities etc. which you admired being the same...will you start dancing and see rainbows...feeling oh great he loves me even though I am now married to a monster because he had a momentary lapse ...or will you be really really frikking pissed??


2) Also I don't think she's using him at all...she went into the marriage not expecting him to even return...saras needs kumud more so that he can assuage his guilt for unilaterally screwing up her life...he is the person following her around first begging for forgiveness and now trying to interfere in her life (whatever his justification)...

Also notice that she makes him take pledges because saras tries to go off like a loose cannon thinking he is still responsible for her happiness.

As smrth had said earlier too...what is his locus standii now???
He was in love, she was in love...he chucked it away, she got married...
Now he realizes his mistake, but she is officially / legally out of his life.

He has still not got it that the chapter is now closed...a tragedy entirely of his own making.

3) Lastly, even now what is preventing kumud from exposing saras in front of all?

This is because kumud still loves him, though she won't admit it at this stage coz all her anger has to be let-off...



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Posted: 12 years ago
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The Saras Kumud debate - strange isn't it, here we are taking sides, when all we are longing for is for them to be one.

We want them to be together, we love both of them individually, but because they are standing against each other in a manner of speaking, we are also forced to take sides.

I feel Kumud's refusal to give him the maafi is what is the cause of present dissatisfaction.

If she can forgive him,we shall all be at peace, for we want nothing more at this point.

But, honestly, a part of me feels a malicious satisfaction when he is hauled over the coals by her.

She is suffering, so must he.

The day she finds peace, will be the day he will get his forgiveness.

For he and she cannot be feeling differently!

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