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Posted: 12 years ago
#81
Samud give pain and can't bear to see each other in pain
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hgg Bhaii...



I fully understand Kumud's hurt and anger ... and her right to remain angry with Saras ... Till two days back i had no problem with Kumud hurling insults and lashing out at Saras in her anger.

But i am of the view that now that the whole truth is before Kumud ,the CVs should show a change in her behaviour ... her responses should be befitting the depth of their love ...her anger should be shown tempered with her knowledge and understanding of the person that Saras is ... being Angry should not be shown as being Nasty ...

My only point is that the CVs seem to be forgetting the intensity of the Bond from Kumud's side while showing Kumud venting her anger at him ... her continued barbs at him even now after the truth revelation do not show that level of maturity and understanding from her side of him as a person ,which should be there considering their Soul Connect ...that these two are connected at the deepest level ... that does not come across strongly enough for me when Kumud continues to berate him , deride him even after knowing the truth ... what rankles is that .


As for Saras being equated with Pramad due to his dhokha ...Sorry , but i respectfully disagree with your proposition here ...

Saras is a Good Man ...a Noble Soul ...while Pramad is Evil ... There is a Good and there is a Bad... There is no scope for any Greys here ...

Cause Saras could not keep to his committment towards Kumud , so he is BAD and can be equated to the other evil ,monstrous people in the world like Pramad is in my view not correct... It is like saying that since all humans have a dark side ,so in the end we can bring them all down to the lowest Common denominator ... then all Humans would be bad and there wont be any good people at all.

All of us accept that Saras has made the fatal mistake ...and he is paying for it every moment of his life and paying for it how ...by seeing the love of his life lost forever ...seeing her as someone else's wife ...by having lost everything in his life ...he has lost his Love ... his family...has no one at all to call his own ... is completely alone ...So he has been punished severely ...

and thus i would not like to believe that only Kumud's life has been screwed up and not Saras 's ... in fact Kumud still has her loving family with her ...shall always have them for Love and Support in any eventuality ... while Saras has absolutely no one ... he is now completely alone ... so both have lost equally .


Anyways ... as i said earlier , the one good news today has been that though the Show may end soon or go on , most probably the CVs are going to give us SAMUD in the end...so we can all breathe a sigh of relief and hopefully rejoice for the happy ending that all of us have been waiting for... and can now hopefully put all these discussions from two differrent viewpoints of Kumud and Saras to a Happy End . 😊🤗

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Posted: 12 years ago
#83
twila-

with respect to kumud...i am sure she will turn around...

One thing I have learnt is to never second guess the CVs...they smoothen logicial inconsistencies in a few epi..😊

1) the love is there... check out her expressions when saras hurts himself with the pen, the running to get the medicine...and her total breakdown in the end... full of regret and sorrow...of love lost..

...but currently there is anger...justifiably so...and we have had only 2 convos so far...in one of which saras was doing most of the talking and explaining his stand...in the second one kumud explained her stand...

2) And she has just started on her recovery journey after their convo...so we still see her vent out her anger first...then the love will surface...

3) maybe some of the anger is because saras was not giving her any space / time to assimilate this...

I have a feeling that saras will now give her some space to try and sort it out on her terms...he was more concerned that kumud has lost herself...which she clarified she has not...

4) Mr. Ehsas is still ticking though he's taking a short nap fof the moment...

I am not remotely comparing pramad to saras...or justifying his actions / behaviour...but merely trying to explain kumud's perspective...pramad abuses her but it was to be expected from the first night...saras did something which was never expected

And I beg to differ on who has who with them...I believe that in the current mess and dilemma facing them...both only have each other...no one else has loved this passionately and lost so passionately...so no one can even begin to comprehend the connect, pain, loss and regret..

Bottomline...love has to and will surface since that's the epic story whenever it ends...

👍🏼


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Posted: 12 years ago
#84
Hgg Bhaii ...





I am Completely with you in your Explanations of the points from Kumud's Pov ...and also let us wait for the forthcoming epis ... and give some time to the .CVs to smoothen things out .


As for your Clear , Precise , pointwise analysis of the scenarios and the characters , you are matchless ... Awesome as always .

and Yes...in the end " Love shall Conquer all ... " 😊

Hoping that this Beautiful Journey carries on for a long time...does not end abruptly and too soon.


Thanks a lot for all your wonderful responses ... Thanks to you , had a great time here today .

Good Night and Good Bye for now... shall be seeing you again , soon . 😊
Edited by twila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: hotdogg



aah...smrth...you mention haiku...👏

here's one for kumud:

"Though it be broken,
Broken again,
Still its there,
The moon on the water"


So apt Hgg bhai. Her moon is still there besides her...and she called him Saras today after a long time. A sound, he would do anything to hear from her once before and now too. Goddess called him by his 'name'!
But her position-

Willow Tree,
Sad Yet Strong
Sing A Song

Stars Bright,
Moon light,
But Not For Me
Blackness I See.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: happychappy


I'm not denying Kumud's right to be angry. or Saras' enormous guilt. Not saying that he deserves forgiveness, or even has the right to assuage his guilt by being her support. Not at all...

In my PoV, there were two triggers, first-Saras' incoherent phone call and second- Kumud's Back-to-Square One reaction to the phone call. The entire kahaani in my last post ws about the second trigger.

The disaster that followed could have been averted even at the second point. Granted Kumud had incomplete knowledge of events in Dubai, but she had in-depth knowledge of the man she was marrying. Deeper than the ocean, higher than the stars above, and all that stuff...Their connection was such that she could sense him when he was outside the haveli during the wedding!

Saras is rightly pilloried for his jazbaati reaction to events and honestly bears the blame for TP#1, you dont find him dodging that.

But Kumud still claims that her reverting to pre-Term opinion of Saras at TP#2 was logical and not emotional! Main jazbaat mein aake koi faisla nahin leti, says our Heroine! That rankles. That ...poof... sound of the whole Term disappearing into nothing...

I wearily rest my case...

Happy sister, permit me a trifle.
Trigger 1 is the only Trigger that precipitates the crises. TP#2 is not tigger in any sense of the word. It's a direct fall out/havoc of what TP1 has triggered. I think Kumud's entire explanation today or we have been discussing since last three days, from the moment 'a dead willow has unexpectedly woken up to remind mr. TP#1 what and 'how' he has actually triggered. 'How' as when she rose from that Sofa. And 'what' as when she explained in detail and patience in temple. So TP#2 is not valid per se.😛

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Posted: 12 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: twila

Hgg Bhai ...


Both have their own personalities... their temperaments ... their qualities ...and their flaws ...and Ofcourse we Love both of them ... BUT ...

what Rankles is Kumud's behaviour towards Saras ...

as if she does not know the person that he is...and i completely second Happy Chappy... she behaves as if the whole Act 1 period in Ratna Nagri did not happen ... as if she does not know the Purity of his Heart ... the Nobility of his Soul ...his completetly Selfless Love and Devotion for her ...when two people are so completely in Love ... are Soulmates ,then how is it possible for her to constantly Insult him ...Scorn him ...throw those Poisnous Barbs of " Me Strong ... You Weak ... Me Right ...You Wrong ... " and the worst of all ...she even Compared Saras with that Lowlife Pramaad ...all without batting an eyelid .
or Yeah ... she does know him very well ... and she shall use him as and when it pleases her ... whenever it serves her purpose ...she will ask him to take Pledges and Oaths and Promises... and otherwise she can always be mean ...pass Snide remarks ... all the while knowing fully well how much she is hurting him ... knowing that due to the goodness of his heart he shall take all her insults and humiliation quietly ...
This is like saying ... I know how much you Love me, so whenever it pleases me,i shall tie you up in the ropes of my promises ...and i know that you shall not say Ufff ... and whenever it pleases me i shall lambast you...shall scorn you ...
but you get nothing in return ... Heck, ...you do not even dare to expect anything ...and you better just Suck it up , you Loser ...
as one says in Hindi ... " Chit Bhi Meri ... Patt Bhi Meri ... " 😊

if being Alpha Kumud means that she shall be constantly mean to the person who loves her the most ... that she will keep on saying Nasty things to him ... Hurting him ...taking advantage of the goodness of his heart and his Love for her ... without accepting even once that she could also be in the wrong ... that she she has also made mistakes ... then i am sorry , but i do not like this Alpha Kumud .

Twila ji, baap re,first time seeing you so angry😲...should I venture?! Ok soldiering on like a fool 'valiant'...
Tell me Twila, when did she ask to toss the 'coin'? Did she invite him? Did she ask him to stay? Did she ask him to interfere? Did she ask him to redecorate his 'undying' love for her? Arre what pledges or promises even she eked out of him as yet? What all of then- without exception- were all about? That, 'please stay away from entire imbroglio'. So what personal 'advantage' has she extracted out of him as yet??
But Do we see how entirely troublesome his mere presence is turning out for her? To what end all this is escalating for her? Forget the 'future', even right now, what moral bind/disadvantage his mere 'presence incognito' has already pushed her into?...Do we see, his 'Navinchandra' has implicated her as a 'partner in a fraud' towards her in laws? Including that 'low life' Pramad? (And heard why she is ready to forgive Pramad's affair?)...She has been made to maintain a lie, that her ex fiance is living under the same roof in disguise where she has just entered as Bahu, and she is not even informing her trusting parents in law?
Her 'demand'? to stay away from her affairs? Or, repeated pleads to 'go away', leave her alone, spare her from his 'benevolence'; neither head nor tail. For his mere presence is exposing her to the 'tunes' of even that other low life- Kalika. Such is her reduction not his.🤢

And despite all these, personally as a viewer I too want him there!😕😲 For ultimately, he is her only and real succour. 😕...Only difference, I don't want his presence as 'condescending' apology part two. She does not owe, he owes.😡


Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#88
Sorry about my ignorance on this..as per my understanding based on what I read in some of the posts here, is TP#1 - Saras calling off the wedding over the phone and TP#2 Kumud's decision to agree to marry wherever her father wants? If that's the case and I could be wrong in my understanding but I think TP#2 was not Kumud but LN refusing to divulge anything, any sort of explanation or apology or any remote hope from his end.. Kumud had merely handed over her reigns to her father and agreed to do whatever he thinks is best for her..The logical next step was for VC to call LN and get a clear picture which didn't happen.. It was double blow on their trust and there was no time to recuperate..Had LN given any assurance or explanation from his end, things could have been different.. so I feel TP#2 was LN not Kumud..
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Posted: 12 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: hotdogg

twila-

with respect to kumud...i am sure she will turn around...

One thing I have learnt is to never second guess the CVs...they smoothen logicial inconsistencies in a few epi..😊

1) the love is there... check out her expressions when saras hurts himself with the pen, the running to get the medicine...and her total breakdown in the end... full of regret and sorrow...of love lost..

...but currently there is anger...justifiably so...and we have had only 2 convos so far...in one of which saras was doing most of the talking and explaining his stand...in the second one kumud explained her stand...

2) And she has just started on her recovery journey after their convo...so we still see her vent out her anger first...then the love will surface...

3) maybe some of the anger is because saras was not giving her any space / time to assimilate this...

I have a feeling that saras will now give her some space to try and sort it out on her terms...he was more concerned that kumud has lost herself...which she clarified she has not...

4) Mr. Ehsas is still ticking though he's taking a short nap fof the moment...

I am not remotely comparing pramad to saras...or justifying his actions / behaviour...but merely trying to explain kumud's perspective...pramad abuses her but it was to be expected from the first night...saras did something which was never expected

And I beg to differ on who has who with them...I believe that in the current mess and dilemma facing them...both only have each other...no one else has loved this passionately and lost so passionately...so no one can even begin to comprehend the connect, pain, loss and regret..

Bottomline...love has to and will surface since that's the epic story whenever it ends...

👍🏼


I agree Kumud is turning around. She was feeling suffocated by Saras's interference. It was quite natural for her to feel like that. CVs have showed the transition very well. She was very angry and not willing to give him an audience. But is now listening to him, answering him. She calls him Saras now and not Navinchandra ji.
But, at the same time we know he shook her and drove her to this mode by pleading and threatening her. Otherwise Kumud would have taken longer to come to the point of holding Pramad's hand.
I only cant understand her when she puts Pramad and Saras in the same plane. Breaking trust, love is huge. But respecting some1 as an individual is primary. The very core of respect.
What is interesting is how Saras keeps poking his nose. I somehow like it. Kumud likes it sub-consiously. If he didnt poke his nose, things wouldnt have come to this thawed state.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth

Happy sister, permit me a trifle.
Trigger 1 is the only Trigger that precipitates the crises. TP#2 is not tigger in any sense of the word. It's a direct fall out/havoc of what TP1 has triggered. I think Kumud's entire explanation today or we have been discussing since last three days, from the moment 'a dead willow has unexpectedly woken up to remind mr. TP#1 what and 'how' he has actually triggered. 'How' as when she rose from that Sofa. And 'what' as when she explained in detail and patience in temple. So TP#2 is not valid per se.😛

Smrth, this is more a matter of semantics, I feel. I apologise for lifting your term of trigger because it was already in circulation, but what I intended was a point from which there was a possibility of a different outcome. He could have not made that call. She could have reacted not by assigning him the "Failure" Tag.

As things stand, we can agree to disagree...😊 ... Loving the haikus from Hgg and you...

Please do not think I have no eyes for Kumud's plight as so well-explained by you and Hgg and Arshi. I do. But,

The love she had from Saras was rare and special, and worth waiting for... Often, people value too little what they have, until they dont have it any more...What I feel is a mix of exasperation and regret that she didnt have the choice or inclination to wait... Both LN's history with Dugba and his own "rejection sight unseen" conspired to rob him of his true second chance, after his first true (but monumental) error ... Talk of the sins of the father being visited upon the son! No more words from me, on this.


Edited by happychappy - 12 years ago

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