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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Adiani


Our enjoyment of any story is based on how well we can relate to characters and circumstances. The makers cannot afford to depict lead characters fully black, there lies the avenue for see sawing.
In fact I would thank you for making me think deeper on the aspect of taking sides.

My intention was to appreciate Saras for where he is trying to reach. In that respect I feel for him, I take his side.


Adiani, since I merely touched on the issue of subjective affect on my post proper... I felt the need of elaborating my stand further. Do admit was a bit taken aback at the outright allegiances being claimed. At this point, as you pointed out, it is about the journey, of the two. Of about Saras' emotional growth as a man and how he will stand up for Kumud, when all will forsake her by either accident or design. Not of taking sides. And I appreciate that about your stand =)
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Posted: 12 years ago
" A thought occurred- Just what impact this novel must have left on psyche of past generations in Gujarat, even when it already had lost its au currency in read list long since ( I must be such an anomaly!); There might not be a single family clan in Gujarat where you would not find a single 'Kumud' or 'Kusum' in their extended list. I can count 4 kusums and 2 Kumuds as aunts or great aunts in the extended family. I am yet to come across a single 'Saraswatichandra'. Not just in family, but anywhere! 'Difticult' or 'ease' of elocution alone can not account, if we consider character's prominence as counterpart of the examples given above and when we do have some 'difficult' occurrences like 'Vishrut Yash' or 'Harsh Vardhan' in existence.
This character was not accepted too warmly even then. You are right. SLB has a huge task to make it palatable. And he succeeds. A big contribution- GR. " 👏


@Smrth ...
Bold above ... Thanks for this interseting bit of Info ...

So no one has been named Saraswatichandra , despite the classic status of the book...Hmmm... could it also be due to the fact that the name was considered feminine even in earlier times , coupled with the " weakness " of the character of course .

@ Arshi ... " Stronger , Brighter , Whiter ... " is really well put . 😊


and let us hope that as the CVs have adapted the character to suit the needs of a " Hero " in a TV show , similarly they adapt the Ending of the show to suit the viewers demands too ... 😊


Edited by twila - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
To all the Lovely people here ...


Thanks for such wonderful discussions about the Complexities of Human Relationships ...such Insights delving deep into the Emotions ... Enriching !!


and for me no taking sides at all ... I Hurt for both of them ...my heart pains to see our lovely SAMUD ... this Beautiful Couple... going through soo much pain ...

am really hoping that the CVs show us some ray of hope for both of them moving away from this torturous Angst filled phase soon . 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Adiani


Our enjoyment of any story is based on how well we can relate to characters and circumstances. The makers cannot afford to depict lead characters fully black, there lies the avenue for see sawing.
In fact I would thank you for making me think deeper on the aspect of taking sides.

My intention was to appreciate Saras for where he is trying to reach. In that respect I feel for him, I take his side.

@Smrth: intrigued to know that SC is not the preferred name in the community, could it be because it was tragical from his perspective rather than dislike.He suffered the most. His inner guilt was on larger scale than the abuse which Kumud had to physically endure.
Post renunciation, Kumud had the upper hand and decided their combined fate. She got to choose.

@Adiani-
Smrth is very right. There are a lot of kumuds and kusums scattered across almost all families.
There are almost no saraswatichandras.
I guess the reasons are:
- among the gujju community this is a classic - 'one by our own' types and almost the enitre earlier generation is aware about this / read this...The only other author who inspires this legendary status is K. M. Munshi - the founder of Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan the trust which today runs Bhavans's / SP Jain institutes in Mumbai.
Would like to digress a bit here.
- K M Munshi's 4 great works Patan Ni Prabhuta (The Greatness of Patan), Gujarat No Nath (The Rulers of Gujarat) & Rajadhiraj (The Emperor) and Jay Somnath are seminal works which capture the glory of Gujarat and the people who created that glory.
- His 8 volume Krishnavatara is another unparalleled work, depicting Krishna starting as an extraordinary man who transformed into a God.
Neways coming back-
- among almost the entire generation which has read SC novel, saraswatichandra the person is reviled. In the novel, he consistently comes up with pristine W*F moments all throughout - including the mother of all ones right at the end. The show has scrubbed and cleaned up the saras behaviour to logically present a very consisent reason for his behaviour.
For e.g. in the novel he just ups and decides that he now doesn't want to marry, even when he visits kumud it is out of curiousity and not out of a deep sense of loss / regret, wanting an apology etc.
- kumud is naturally the 'hero' & 'heroine' combined who struggles through all travails and still in the end gives up her desires for the larger picture...so naturally a much more inspiring figure overall.
smrth-
Would be great to know your inputs to the reasons ...
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: twila

" A thought occurred- Just what impact this novel must have left on psyche of past generations in Gujarat, even when it already had lost its au currency in read list long since ( I must be such an anomaly!); There might not be a single family clan in Gujarat where you would not find a single 'Kumud' or 'Kusum' in their extended list. I can count 4 kusums and 2 Kumuds as aunts or great aunts in the extended family. I am yet to come across a single 'Saraswatichandra'. Not just in family, but anywhere! 'Difticult' or 'ease' of elocution alone can not account, if we consider character's prominence as counterpart of the examples given above and when we do have some 'difficult' occurrences like 'Vishrut Yash' or 'Harsh Vardhan' in existence.
This character was not accepted too warmly even then. You are right. SLB has a huge task to make it palatable. And he succeeds. A big contribution- GR. " 👏


@Smrth ...
Bold above ... Thanks for this interseting bit of Info ...

So no one has been named Saraswatichandra , despite the classic status of the book...Hmmm... could it also be due to the fact that the name was considered feminine even in earlier times , coupled with the " weakness " of the character of course .

@ Arshi ... " Stronger , Brighter , Whiter ... " is really well put . 😊


and let us hope that as the CVs have adapted the character to suit the needs of a " Hero " in a TV show , similarly they adapt the Ending of the show to suit the viewers demands too ... 😊


Hi, havent read all of CB posts so perhaps this has been mentioned but reading your analysis on the name Saraswatichandra...
I think the name given by the author too was symbolic of his character. I haven't read the book but from the brief summaries that I have read and from the serial so far, it seems that it decipts the persona of Saras!
Not that its a feminine name means he is weak. He had a weak moment, just like everyone at some point in time has a weak moment. And in no way he meant betrayal. He did not leave Kumud because he was a coward...he left her because he felt she would be happier without him. His intentions were him sacrificing his love for her sake...yes, that was a misconception on his part which has costed him his whole life.
Anyway, above isnt what I wanted to mention in this particular post! lol!
Right so the name Saraswati = Knowledge. And the characater Saras is about how he distributes his knowledge towards the society, towards people to better their lives.
This starts with Budhidhan...his knowledge and sharp mind is what gets Budhidhan the PM position.
His next stop is apparantly (as per the book) going to be some ashraam and what he does there to better the lives of people there.
So where ever he goes, he leaves a part of him through what he knows...gyaan baatke!
'Saraswati is known as a guardian deity in Buddhism who upholds the teachings of Gautama Buddha by offering protection and assistance to practitioners.'
The second symbol towards the reason for the name Saraswati...offering protection...which at each stage he will for Kumud. He wants to protect her and I am sure in the coming episodes we will see how he does do that.
To further my point, see how the below characteristics of maa Saraswati is so true to the character of our Saras.
  1. Saraswati is the goddess of learning.
  2. The white colour of the goddess signifies spotless character and an immaculate mind. (you cant deny that his character is spotless. His intentions are always clean)
  3. She is seated on an inverted white lotus, meaning to be in search of the light of knowledge. (the story of Saras is about his journey from Dubai to Ratnanagri,then at budhidhan place, then ashraam and so on)
  4. A white swan is the vehicle of the goddess, indicative of inquisitiveness.
  5. The goddess is worshipped with Palash, a red odourless flower; this symbol is indicative of being free from preconceptions. (the constant significance of the colour red that has been time and again discussed here)

Chandra from my understanding is moon or the shining of the moon...and there is an aura about Saras that fits the bill of shining like moon. He has the power to leave a glow on everyone he comes across just like a moon would do.

'In Vedic astrology Chandra represents brain and mind, emotions, sensitivity, softness, imagination, queen and mother'
To me, all of the above describes to the T what Saraswatichandra is! I have seen all the above characteristics in him.
Yes the name is of a woman but many cultures, religions have the same name for men and women as we all know it.
Kat.xxx
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Posted: 12 years ago
@hgg, thanks for info on KN MUnshi, is the Krishnavatara the inspiration for AT and Shiva triology?


@ KK84, thanks for the brilliant explanation of Saras's name. beautiful loved it!!


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Posted: 12 years ago
Thanks Arshi! I can nowhere near write as well as people here! such genius work I am baffaled!
I however cant stop myself due to this undeniable need of always wanting to defend Saras!
Its Gautam's faultless acting which is the reason for this! When I see Saras all I sad...a see a vunerable bachaa whom I need to protect! lol!..so do pardon my biasness!
Kat
p.s. I do however totally understand the reasons for Kumud's anger...its just I want to see moment of weaknesses as well...which they have shown but I want to something more physical...how she touches his arm when the pillar falls on him..things like that.
I know its not right for a married woman to touch another man! but pms wasn't right either and she lost her senses then...so would be nice for her to lose her sense for a second and just hug him!!! hehehe!!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer


Adiani, since I merely touched on the issue of subjective affect on my post proper... I felt the need of elaborating my stand further. Do admit was a bit taken aback at the outright allegiances being claimed. At this point, as you pointed out, it is about the journey, of the two. Of about Saras' emotional growth as a man and how he will stand up for Kumud, when all will forsake her by either accident or design. Not of taking sides. And I appreciate that about your stand =)

Ivy-
...I still feel that the previous epis are 'forcing' people to take a stand. No more are viewers going to be allowed to sit dispassionately on the fence ...
...even after all the sandbags are balanced on the see-saw (lovely analogy) and we understand this better...this fact will still remain...choose we will...not consciously then sub-consciously...
...we will all choose our 'champion' ...this first among equals...like happychappy has said basis our own experiences, preferences, views, personality etc. & despite having a balanced view, treating both equally, treating both with respect, understanding where both are coming from emphatize with both...maybe not in a very fanatic manner but in a more subtle way...
Also agree with you that we are still some-way off till the sandbags are loaded and shifted..
But I still think that it is a great insight...
There's nothing wrong in that...just great story-telling which sucks and entangles viewers in and makes it personal...Don't all great stories make us do that?
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: KK84

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I however cant stop myself due to this undeniable need of always wanting to defend Saras!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Ivy-
...I still feel that the previous epis are 'forcing' people to take a stand. No more are viewers going to be allowed to sit dispassionately on the fence ...
...even after all the sandbags are balanced on the see-saw (lovely analogy) and we understand this better...this fact will still remain...choose we will...not consciously then sub-consciously...
...we will all choose our 'champion' ...this first among equals...like happychappy has said basis our own experiences, preferences, views, personality etc. & despite having a balanced view, treating both equally, treating both with respect, understanding where both are coming from emphatize with both...maybe not in a very fanatic manner but in a more subtle way...
Also agree with you that we are still some-way off till the sandbags are loaded and shifted..
But I still think that it is a great insight...
There's nothing wrong in that...just great story-telling which sucks and entangles viewers in and makes it personal...Don't all great stories make us do that?

very true! I think credit in a huge way and adulation goes to Gautam and Jenny for portraying their feelings as Saras and Kumud so effortlessly that we are inevitably taking sides.
They have both brought the characters of Saras and Kumud to life!
Kat

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