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arshiji itna gussa. try saras therapy run or meditate😉

Originally posted by: psam4

arshiji itna gussa. try saras therapy run or meditate😉

a theory developed by hindi soaps 'jisse aap jyada pyaar karata hai usi par gussa karte hai'(this shows your love for sc).

regarding episode I am late by the time I came everything is discussed in detail so nothing to write.

with your perrmisson can I add one more person to that list.

mr.lakshminandan vyas.the root cause for all this.more than anyone I feel he is most responsible for samud's present condition.he was so happy and excited to take kumud to Dubai as his dil.after saras left home he did not even bothered to call vc and explain him the situation.when vc told him that saras called off wedding he did not think about kumud for a second.it is his responsibility to talk to her and calm her .

@smrth ,hgg great analysis of slokha. thank u.(I did not watch kumud's wedding after reading this I have to).

@iviewer superb analysis.

@adianai pyaar aur pyaar nibhana. great post.

to all the writers of cb👏

@ infofan welcome back. I missed your posts. saras no apaology to radhaji. is one of my favourite post.

p.s I feel like kumud is giving tough competition to sandhya bindhini and akshara.not about her nature but her sarees and jewellery.horrible hair style. whenever I see kumud and saras in the same frame my impression is teacherji and student.

request to cvs can pramad vent out his anger in some other way.the abusing and hurting of kumud

is dv.this show is on top gec and 7.30 slot.this contradicts the starplus slogan 'nayi soch'..the track is good. actors,execution everything perfect. let kumud respond to his words and reduce the abuse part..it is really hard to watch those scenes.

Originally posted by: Adiani

First, take a bow the resident masters of CB team: the discussions are passionate and genius at the same time. How do you do that,how are you able to enjoy the show as well and go much beyond its expanse simultaneously?

Well, issue of taking sides: if that is what cv's are intending it to be: my two cents on that goes here,

Inspite of show's clear intention to direct sympathies to Kumud's plight, there is a majority allegiance to Saras on the forum. I guess it is due to actor's superior ability to bring out complex layers of emotions, compared to Kumud's monotonous sobbing. TRP?

I would split the issue here as Pyaar and pyaar nibhana. It makes complete sense to me,

There is never any denial to the fact that love transcends their soul, they accept mutually on that.

"Rishtey nibhana" : the crux of the story from day1:

Saras writing to her, episodes week1, he can't.

VC:'s life motto,being the contrary.(episodes, where he lets Saras to stay with them, for that sake)

Guniyals's gentle cajoling to Saras on that.. Many more from Kumud as well.

He ultimately failed them, he chose telephone this time. Kumud tried all she could, until he hung up. She didn't dispute his love, only his commitment to "rishtey nibhana". Momentary lapse though it may seem to many: He faltered big time, would he gain that ability and commitment within a day? For life?

I take it second phase of the journey is about that, "pyaar nibhana"

Kumud took responsibility for her decision to marry Pramad, by sticking to him for right now.( decision to marry in a hurry, the motives behind it, anger/izzat/etc, being right or wrong: I'm not about to judge, bottom line is it seemed right to her).

Future, can only tell, how far she can stretch for him.

Pramad and Kumud, both of them started at same ground: complete disregard to find out who they are getting married to. Taking responsibility for their actions: poles apart.

Is she is using anger as her crutches,?so be it, her prudence.

Will Saras take responsibility for his action? His physical and mental "run" have not stopped.

His growth as a man, Looking forward to that journey.

What a fantastic team here to vividly explain that journey. Thank you..

Adiani-

cool perspective...Where do you stand when the rubber hits the road?

@Bold1: I still feel both are equally good. Why?...Notice the see-saw...we empthasize with kumud's plight one day and with saras the next.

Though I feel kumud has the tougher job from an acting perspective. Saras has a wide canvas...he can go out in the rain and cry, in addition to his room etc. Whereas kumud is hamstrung by her heavy 'teache'r get-up, the atrocious choker necklace and can only be in the rooms.

I also feel the surge of support for saras is because of the huuugggeee female population on this forum. Believe me...I have tried to be brave a couple of times and gone through the other threads...Its a revelation to say the least...Hawtness triumphs over all logic and kumud is competition ...so off with her head!! 😎

This is not the status on CB...which is a class apart and very rational & balanced.

Disclaimer:
Not being sexist...but I guess that is the way the cards fall...

On a lighter note, we actually had a discussion many CBs ago where we had observed that instinctively boys supported kumud and girls supported saras...when in theory it should have been the other way around...The sisterhood and brotherhood sticking together types...😆

@Bold2: Yes that is the evolution even I am interested in. Saras has always been a step behind kumud in this sense due to his traumatic childhood...now he's begun to realize that kumud's marriage is an irreversible fact (at least in the short to medium term)...

...and as Ivy has indicated...saras now has no option but to think what he can do for kumud in this situation...until now it has always been what kumud can do for him (apology)...

Arshi, Pasumarthisa,Psam, thank you for validating my point of view.

Originally posted by: Adiani

Arshi, Pasumarthisa,Psam, thank you for validating my point of view.

I made a separate post at Arshi's behest.

I marvel at the ability of masters here to interpret and elaborate between the lines and still hold on to sanity to enjoy the story with a detachment.

My take is simple offshoot at the face of the things as they stand.

@Hgg, Hugeee female population yes. Hawt Hawt hero is darling who can't falter. 😊 I got the point.

My Kumud is sob..sob..sob.. anger.. Now she is being decked up like "bali ka bakra" by designers as well. 😭.

@ All, thank you for the warm welcome and kind words. I am back but time constraints and other commitments do not permit me to post like I used to just yet.

In the meantime catching up on episodes and posts. CB has awesome new members.

@ Santhi, Twila ( did I forget anyone) hi and welcome. Its always a pleasure to read discussions on this thread.

@ Psam4 - thanks dear. I have no clue which post you are referring to but I do remember making a post way back on LN being the root cause of Samud problems 😳 😳

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer

The press conference, must admit I gave it some other importance... Thought it would be the launchpad for some tangential exciting story development, but it ended out to be a rubberband. Got stretched out to the extreme end, then ended up whizzing back to square. Really, truly, trying upon patience, but in the larger tapestry of SC, not all was for naught, I felt. Watched yesterdays, epi... Then watched today's. In the throes of emotion, passion and anger. Fully ready to committ murder of three fictional characters by the end of it. Then pressed "replay"... In hindsight, this epi was really v clever. Of course, this all is subjective opinion, but... I thought it reached out and manipulated audience perception (to what end, I'm sure the coming week will make clear, some). The tension, the monotony... A million ways to beg forgiveness and a million ways to refuse it... The treadmill effect... Has been building up the entire week, but today, all were subtly asked to cast deciding votes... And the majority winner was clearly Kumud. But in doing so, Saras was shunned. That was the not-so-obvious by-product of endorsing K... S lost out. Today was a play, of two things, two people, against one another. Today, asked one to subconciously take a side. And today, achieved that as well, so bravo to the episode construction, and execution 👏

The obvious dynamic of today's epi, and its end product, was sympathy for Kumud. But the prevailing, implicit dynamic, one that esp impacted upon affectively, was resentment towards Saras. Not "resentment" in its most absolute, per se, but resentment as a building block, made up of many other such building blocks... Irritation at Saras' method's, anger that he is still thinking of himself, astonishment at how he continues to decieve the Dhan's, bewilderment at BD's whole-hearted acceptance of him, the desire to tell him to change expressions everytime he comes in front of Kumud, impatience at the stalker-ish behaviour he is starting to emulate, exasperation at his attempts to elicit an "I forgive you"... The fact that he verbally hijacked nothing less a political press conference to say his piece was a new extreme... All these little things about Saras keep adding up, things that start to annoy. On a treadmill, they would. Somehow, the CV's want to stretch this to breaking point. They want all to hear how the breaking point sounds. And until that, sympathy towards K will keep on increasing, and likewise will, resentment for Saras. All said, I sympathise with K, and the treadmill effect is starting to wear me down as well... But at the same, I strongly resist at casting my lot with either Saras or Kumud, for now. I simply feel I do not have the luxury, nor the character motivations, and justifications, to declare allegiances, yet. All I can do is strive to make sense of the treadmill going nowhere, in the larger fabric of SC. Because once we get off the treadmill, the things learned while on it are going to make sense... That I strongly suspect. But on the flipside, the effect of the treadmill, the montony of it is capable of dulling even the most sharpest of perspectives. That I consciously fight against. In that, I'm a DeterminedViewer.

Originally posted by: smrth

I Viewer,

How well you are writing! At each read you remind me an amazing friend on IF. User name Commentator. What an all round, lucid, insightful conversation she used to make- a sheer pleasure! Wish, she would have been in here too!

@ bold;

To tell you, I didn't dislike him today. Rather, kind of a first thaw after a long reign of 'contempt'- How would one save a fool who was hell bent to strike his 'neck' on an axe? Or, how do we empathise with a suicidal person, not only committing his own life but toppling other's life along with?? Pity? Yes perhaps, but Sympathy?-Well too respectful a term for such a recklessness. That's what I used to feel and holding.

But still, can't entirely cast his foolishness for 'recklessness'. There is kind of an infantile innocence that needs better tolerance apropos a faltering child. For he indeed received quite a raw deal from the fate since his infant days. And then to his credit, he did turn up quite decent on his own strength. Much much 'correct'; conscientious, sensitive, honest and empathetic. Considering his 'legacy', it's a personal triumph of no less an achievement. And He deserved some reprieve on personal front. Luck was- Kumud turned a huge blessing towards liberation of 'spirit and luck be- he proved nemesis to his own boon, in process he managed a final bind on his soul... From a sheer objective POV, he is not suffering less. He did not mean it this way- even if he meant his fatal message consciously and knowingly. For a man who would not flinch a blink from call of any kind of duty, this was his biggest failure to a- no- the Commitment. His 'hell' has two faces; his personal failure and her visible ruin. Effect of combined atrophy would disintegrate any lesser man in seconds.

So today, when he 'hijacked' the speech, I didn't grudge him much somehow- to note- he has not failed his primary duty- the speech proved successful. Then onwards, it was mesmerising; When Kumud enters, the speech, after its formal stage has entered the 'core' message part. First in BD's voice, " Hammen aap ke dukh kaa andazaa he..." and transition into his voice, as noted, the superimposed 'privacy'- its intimate nature and their 'unspoken' conversation- one entreating, other listening in a slightly disdainful disbelief- They did it astonishingly well IMO.

It jolted me tight, specially with such a remorseful sadness- as he entreats 'aap' . This 'aap' so entirely opposite of a 'playful barb' they used to address each other when sulking. This 'aap' was a complete submission in Respect. And then usage of 'hum'...somewhere it preserves a kind of dignity apropos 'a not so intentional a blunder'. But in combination they create a soulful sadness of a loss.

Special mention to BG. A man's bleeding yearning with male voice 'o piyaa'...as if 'what have I done!' (linking this to marriage time BG- female version 'O Piyaa'- more powerful than all shlokas etc...as if "what have 'you' done!)

So when he was waiting a life's breathe, folded hand in a clutch- visibly quavering- eyes shut so tight- it must have hurt-entire body held tight- yes when it opened in a somewhat misplaced 'trust' that he may succeed that got deservingly quashed, if director intended to elicit a viewer's vote, then I somehow can not cast it against him. Despite my known aversion.😲

Originally posted by: smrth

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But still, can't entirely cast his foolishness for 'recklessness'. There is kind of an infantile innocence that needs better tolerance apropos a faltering child. For he indeed received quite a raw deal from the fate since his infant days. And then to his credit, he did turn up quite decent on his own strength. Much much 'correct'; conscientious, sensitive, honest and empathetic. Considering his 'legacy', it's a personal triumph of no less an achievement. And He deserved some reprieve on personal front. Luck was- Kumud turned a huge blessing towards liberation of 'spirit and luck be- he proved nemesis to his own boon, in process he managed a final bind on his soul... From a sheer objective POV, he is not suffering less. He did not mean it this way- even if he meant his fatal message consciously and knowingly. For a man who would not flinch a blink from call of any kind of duty, this was his biggest failure to a- no- the Commitment. His 'hell' has two faces; his personal failure and her visible ruin. Effect of combined atrophy would disintegrate any lesser man in seconds.

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So when he was waiting a life's breathe, folded hand in a clutch- visibly quavering- eyes shut so tight- it must have hurt-entire body held tight- yes when it opened in a somewhat misplaced 'trust' that he may succeed that got deservingly quashed, if director intended to elicit a viewer's vote, then I somehow can not cast it against him. Despite my known aversion.😲

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

The use of 'aap' and 'hum' I think need not be given too much importance as they were obviously used to refer to the 'janta affected by the flood' and 'team Buddhidhan'. It might have given a different layer to his silent soliloquy but their purpose was simple and straight.