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Posted: 12 years ago
#81
But if she tried to find out she would see that saras is worse off. He has no place to go. He forever has to live with the fact that she is now someone else's...and atleast she doesn't have to see him with someone else.

As per aanshul's tweet, it seems there is going to be a change in Pramaad's character...I can only think of one change...n if he turns into a decent husband...well, time heals all so kumud will surely move on as how Dugba said...someone else giving her love may act as a balm on her wounds.

Saras is merely all alone.

And she can't forgive him fair enough but all I want is that she hears him out.she still doesn't need to forgive him but to know that he still loves her...yes it will kill her but she isn't any better off right now anyway.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Do not agree with you, kumud cannot blame Saras for her position as pramad's wife, that was her and her family's decision. She can blame him for jilting her, breaking her heart and trust, but not her position as the wife of Pramad. For a girl who is supposed to be a degree holder and being so proud of her position she bahaved contrary to nature and jumped into marriage for the sake of what? False Pride!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: kiranpreethee

Do not agree with you, kumud cannot blame Saras for her position as pramad's wife, that was her and her family's decision. She can blame him for jilting her, breaking her heart and trust, but not her position as the wife of Pramad. For a girl who is supposed to be a degree holder and being so proud of her position she bahaved contrary to nature and jumped into marriage for the sake of what? False Pride!



That's my take as well! When I put myself in her position I just don't think I could marry someone so quickly blindly like that!

Yes agree her parents reputation was at stake but log to waisey hi Baatey karengey! Surely they sent wedding cards which said kumud weds saras and then when people saw that outside it said kumud weds Pramaad then kya kissi ne kuch baatein nahi Ki? But guess this is serial Ki dunya!

She had to wed n that is fine by me! My plea is just that she should hear him out! They both made mistakes! He isn't solely to blame!

Yes he is to blame for saying he can't marry her but she didnt even wait a day! She didn't even try n find out why...even if she wasnt in her senses...surely her love was strong enough to know he is paining!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#84

Whoa! Hgg- bhai, you analysed it more or less the way I felt and was trying to share it here...👏

At first watch, a writer's 'self indulgence' was first thought that crossed my mind- for IV is right too in a way. At first, I too felt it incongruous amidst other 'marriage hymns' that were embedded. The purifier "Apavitoh pavitrava" and "Manglam Bhagvan Vishnu..." are very much a routine in a marriage. But this particular- at least I don't know about occurrence. It is basically about meditation, but it also denotes complete obeisance- surrender, to the Supreme. And then it struck me (at third watch), are they showing a simultaneous 'surrender' to the fate?😲 Notice; just as she resigns herself to the final ritual of 'fera' and Sindoor- as if heart was waiting for some divine intervention till then. But now she surrenders to the overwhelming fate that asserted its verdict in Red. And simultaneously, Saras too, till then fighting odds of a world adverse, gives up. Resigned to the Fate that claims him in a red flood. Both surrenders with a last supplication of their case to the Supreme- 'Devai Tasmaei Namah' twice.🤢

As rightly noted by many- we may be looking at the 'designs' where there is none, nor intended. But if we are arriving to some similar imagery en-route individual ways, then imaginations are not entirely out of sync perhaps. What we are 'looking'/insinuating/ or even 'inventing' has its own beauty. Means 'fantasy' may have its own charms and rewards!😲 Not for nothing- we are branded 'mad baal ki khaal' people. After all 'Moon River' is another interpretation of the 'work's title!😆

P.S. Sorry for late reply. To resist an IF browsing widow during some important tasks is now taking considerable effort!😲

Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: smrth

Whoa! Hgg- bhai, you analysed it more or less the way I felt and was trying to share it here...👏

At first watch, a writer's 'self indulgence' was first thought that crossed my mind- for IV is right too in a way. At first, I too felt it incongruous amidst other 'marriage hymns' that were embedded. The purifier "Apavitoh pavitrava" and "Manglam Bhagvan Vishnu..." are very much a routine in a marriage. But this particular- at least I don't know about occurrence. It is basically about meditation, but it also denotes complete obeisance- surrender, to the Supreme. And then it struck me (at third watch), are they showing a simultaneous 'surrender' to the fate?😲 Notice; just as she resigns herself to the final ritual of 'fera' and Sindoor- as if heart was waiting for some divine intervention till then. But now she surrenders to the overwhelming fate that asserted its verdict in Red. And simultaneously, Saras too, till then fighting odds of a world adverse, gives up. Resigned to the Fate that claims him in a red flood. Both surrenders with a last supplication of their case to the Supreme- 'Devai Tasmaei Namah' twice.🤢

As rightly noted by many- we may be looking at the 'designs' where there is none, nor intended. But if we are arriving to the some similar imagery en-route individual ways, then imaginations are not entirely out of sync perhaps. What we are 'looking'/insinuating/ or even 'inventing' has its own beauty. Means 'fantasy' may have its own charms and rewards!😲 Not for nothing- we are brandished 'mad baal ki khaal' people. After all 'Moon River' is another interpretation of the 'work's title!😆

P.S. Sorry for late reply. To resist an IF browsing widow during some important tasks is now taking considerable effort!😲


But an explanation worth waiting for smrth. I would like to believe that this shloka was there by design and not out of ignorance, after all ' mangalam bhagavan Vishnu is the default choice. There was no reason to pick this particular shloka and time it's end so perfectly.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: IdiotViewer


Smrth bhai... I went back and viewed epi again. Unless Google is leading me astray, this concerns spiritual meditation right? Extremely intriguing, yes... If you think in the context of now... With the red's but slapping at the sides and the black dominating the centre... But most of all, props to you for discerning that "discord" in the middle of the most overwhelming episodes, EVER 👏 I don't think the expectation was that viewers may get it... Not while they were being assailed by all else, but... Makes me think... The "marriage", happening not between K and a faceless but between Saras and Kumud, the rituals mirrored, so was that shloka a disjoint? Or was it perfectly in harmony... Referring to Saras and his spiritual core, only? 🤔... You deserve the laugh, bhai and also a 👏 This is a testament to you keeping your head, while we all were losing ours in the moment ⭐️

Edit: Link to your post in Vaishali's thread, if possible please? Would love to read 😳

I Viewer ji...😛
the way you have described SC's spiritual 'manodasha' in your today's post, it more or less reflects Book's tone! The logical progress of the saga here, even if based on differing sets adapted to present it more 'palatable', is still following the original weave, and consequently, it invariably lifts the original shades. Is your intuitive reflection a proof?
p.s. a syntax error on my part- I meant I deserved being laughed at by you people- for making such a commotion out of 'nothing' perhaps.Confused
link to 'red impressions':
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Posted: 12 years ago
#87
I am not getting with the false pride of Kumud? Getting bashed by abusive husband, but standing up for him and showing everything is super green between them.
How long are they married by now, she seem to be so fine with her surroundings(in laws and new house), is this SLB idea of strong headed Kumud, seems she just want to show this side to Saras only.
I expected better off her, some retaliation some anger towards Saras but it seems she want to prove how happy she is...
Edited by _vineeta_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#88
First, take a bow the resident masters of CB team: the discussions are passionate and genius at the same time. How do you do that,how are you able to enjoy the show as well and go much beyond its expanse simultaneously?

Well, issue of taking sides: if that is what cv's are intending it to be: my two cents on that goes here,

Inspite of show's clear intention to direct sympathies to Kumud's plight, there is a majority allegiance to Saras on the forum. I guess it is due to actor's superior ability to bring out complex layers of emotions, compared to Kumud's monotonous sobbing. TRP?

I would split the issue here as Pyaar and pyaar nibhana. It makes complete sense to me,
There is never any denial to the fact that love transcends their soul, they accept mutually on that.
"Rishtey nibhana" : the crux of the story from day1:
Saras writing to her, episodes week1, he can't.
VC:'s life motto,being the contrary.(episodes, where he lets Saras to stay with them, for that sake)
Guniyals's gentle cajoling to Saras on that.. Many more from Kumud as well.
He ultimately failed them, he chose telephone this time. Kumud tried all she could, until he hung up. She didn't dispute his love, only his commitment to "rishtey nibhana". Momentary lapse though it may seem to many: He faltered big time, would he gain that ability and commitment within a day? For life?
I take it second phase of the journey is about that, "pyaar nibhana"

Kumud took responsibility for her decision to marry Pramad, by sticking to him for right now.( decision to marry in a hurry, the motives behind it, anger/izzat/etc, being right or wrong: I'm not about to judge, bottom line is it seemed right to her).
Future, can only tell, how far she can stretch for him.
Pramad and Kumud, both of them started at same ground: complete disregard to find out who they are getting married to. Taking responsibility for their actions: poles apart.
Is she is using anger as her crutches,?so be it, her prudence.

Will Saras take responsibility for his action? His physical and mental "run" have not stopped.

His growth as a man, Looking forward to that journey.
What a fantastic team here to vividly explain that journey. Thank you..


Edited by Adiani - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Adiani

First, take a bow the resident masters of CB team: the discussions are passionate and genius at the same time. How do you do that,how are you able to enjoy the show as well and go much beyond its expanse simultaneously?


Well, issue of taking sides: if that is what cv's are intending it to be: my two cents on that goes here,

Inspite of show's clear intention to direct sympathies to Kumud's plight, there is a majority allegiance to Saras on the forum. I guess it is due to actor's superior ability to bring out complex layers of emotions, compared to Kumud's monotonous sobbing. TRP?

I would split the issue here as Pyaar and pyaar nibhana. It makes complete sense to me,
There is never any denial to the fact that love transcends their soul, they accept mutually on that.
"Rishtey nibhana" : the crux of the story from day1:
Saras writing to her, episodes week1, he can't.
VC:'s life motto,being the contrary.(episodes, where he lets Saras to stay with them, for that sake)
Guniyals's gentle cajoling to Saras on that.. Many more from Kumud as well.
He ultimately failed them, he chose telephone this time. Kumud tried all she could, until he hung up. She didn't dispute his love, only his commitment to "rishtey nibhana". Momentary lapse though it may seem to many: He faltered big time, would he gain that ability and commitment within a day? For life?
I take it second phase of the journey is about that, "pyaar nibhana"

Kumud took responsibility for her decision to marry Pramad, by sticking to him for right now.( decision to marry in a hurry, the motives behind it, anger/izzat/etc, being right or wrong: I'm not about to judge, bottom line is it seemed right to her).
Future, can only tell, how far she can stretch for him.
Pramad and Kumud, both of them started at same ground: complete disregard to find out who they are getting married to. Taking responsibility for their actions: poles apart.
Is she is using anger as her crutches,?so be it, her prudence.

Will Saras take responsibility for his action? His physical and mental "run" have not stopped.

His growth as a man, Looking forward to that journey.
What a fantastic team here to vividly explain that journey. Thank you..



See, this is how we do it - enjoy the show as well and go much beyond its expanse simultaneously

We have resident jadugars who keep pulling rabbits out of their hats and we are enthralled and excited by their jadoogari !

And what an enlightening explanation Adiani - hamare dimaag ki batti jal gayi! Brilliant in its simplicity!

You are so right, and this explains so many things, it's not about love, it's about rishta nibhana - that's the difference between Desais and Vyas and that is also where she doesn't trust him and so was quick to give up!

Look at the VC - Khoti kaki, Dukhba and most of all LN - rishta is for life, no matter what

And LN - with Dukhba, with Saraswati, with Saras, even with Guman ( he is always pointing out her flaws) - rishta is dispensable , to be broken with ease

And so this is what she will not forgive him for, for breaking the rishta, for tis not his love that she doubts him for, but his commitment !

Superb, a must read post for all Adiani, please don't let it be relegated to page 12 of CB. Do make an independent post on it , pm us all and let everyone also see the story from this perspective.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#90

Originally posted by: Adiani

First, take a bow the resident masters of CB team: the discussions are passionate and genius at the same time. How do you do that,how are you able to enjoy the show as well and go much beyond its expanse simultaneously?


Well, issue of taking sides: if that is what cv's are intending it to be: my two cents on that goes here,

Inspite of show's clear intention to direct sympathies to Kumud's plight, there is a majority allegiance to Saras on the forum. I guess it is due to actor's superior ability to bring out complex layers of emotions, compared to Kumud's monotonous sobbing. TRP?

I would split the issue here as Pyaar and pyaar nibhana. It makes complete sense to me,
There is never any denial to the fact that love transcends their soul, they accept mutually on that.
"Rishtey nibhana" : the crux of the story from day1:
Saras writing to her, episodes week1, he can't.
VC:'s life motto,being the contrary.(episodes, where he lets Saras to stay with them, for that sake)
Guniyals's gentle cajoling to Saras on that.. Many more from Kumud as well.
He ultimately failed them, he chose telephone this time. Kumud tried all she could, until he hung up. She didn't dispute his love, only his commitment to "rishtey nibhana". Momentary lapse though it may seem to many: He faltered big time, would he gain that ability and commitment within a day? For life?
I take it second phase of the journey is about that, "pyaar nibhana"

Kumud took responsibility for her decision to marry Pramad, by sticking to him for right now.( decision to marry in a hurry, the motives behind it, anger/izzat/etc, being right or wrong: I'm not about to judge, bottom line is it seemed right to her).
Future, can only tell, how far she can stretch for him.
Pramad and Kumud, both of them started at same ground: complete disregard to find out who they are getting married to. Taking responsibility for their actions: poles apart.
Is she is using anger as her crutches,?so be it, her prudence.

Will Saras take responsibility for his action? His physical and mental "run" have not stopped.

His growth as a man, Looking forward to that journey.
What a fantastic team here to vividly explain that journey. Thank you..


Much needed post. I think the issue or the idea of CVs is not to make us take sides at all. The very fact that some people are trying to defend Saras implies that he is wrong at the outset. Kumud is definitely using her anger as a weapon and hurt from Pramaad is being converted as anger towards Saras. But, this or anything else she does is not to undermine the misery she is going through.
Kumud's struggle is at the center of this show. The character is right at the center. Saras, Dugbaa, VC, Guniyal, Kusum all are worried about only one person now. And thats her. She said it so well in front of God why she cant forgive so easily. It was a touching and beautiful scene.
But Saras's standpoint also needs to be discussed on a case by case basis to complete the discussion.
Like you said it is now all about 'Nibhaana' which Saras failed at. There was a tone of 'me, my misery, my pain' in him. But, now I see a different Saras which has crossed that barrier. He sees Kumud's suffering and clearly understands that he is the reason. That is a good starting point.

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